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Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:56 pm

Congrats to Angela Merkel on heading a new grand coalition in Germany to be announced today. How do Germans feel about the SPD and CDU going to bed together? Will it work?
 
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:05 pm

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
How do Germans feel about the SPD and CDU going to bed together?

I would have preferred Jamaica. Reason: Civil rights, a grand coalition won't respect them, a Jamaica coalition would, because both the Greens and the Liberals would pressure the conservatives with that.

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Will it work?

Not for four years. I think both sides will wait for an opportunity to blame the other side for a failure and call for new elections then.
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:21 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 1):
Civil rights, a grand coalition won't respect them, a Jamaica coalition would, because both the Greens and the Liberals would pressure the conservatives with that.

A grand coalition (anywhere) can be a dangerous thing. Too much power, too much arrogance. Interesting times ahead in Berlin!
 
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 5:56 pm

Funny how long it took the SPD to get out of the "Chancellor disaster" without face loss...finally they gave up, and some people STILL lost face!

Quoting Thorben (Reply 1):
I think both sides will wait for an opportunity to blame the other side for a failure

That would be the stupidest thing to do...given the fact, that German voters did what they did and that they wouldn't vote differently even now, the one party that lets the GC go bust, will be history in the then following elections.

and btw: It's still a LOOOOOONG way until GC can get into place...there are still coalition negotiations ahead..and they are miles apart in some very important issues.
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:05 pm

http://www.promikatur.de/fileadmin/images/wallpapers/angela-merkel-wallpaper-1280x960.jpg

Oh dear...  rotfl 
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:43 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 1):
I would have preferred Jamaica. Reason: Civil rights, a grand coalition won't respect them, a Jamaica coalition would, because both the Greens and the Liberals would pressure the conservatives with that.

This is my only problem I have with the coalition as well. I think it will work, and it will work for 4 years. We need a new federal system, a new public social security system and a better consolidated budget policy. The good thing with a big coaltion is that neither SPD nor the CDU want to continue that after the next elections, therefore they can take unpopular, radical approaches.

But don't be too afraid with civil right issues. The Constitutional court will act if it is getting out of hand.
 
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:57 pm

Kirkie:

Ok, we may get an ugly broad as Chancellor (not uglier than Thatcher, though) but at least we're playing WC 2006 next year...Scotland will not Big grin Big grin Big grin

Not that anybody in his right mind expected Scotland to qualify...though I have to admit it is indeed very hard to imagine to play worse than England and Germany on Saturday...but then it IS possible, as your side did prove impressively Big grin
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:59 pm

Quoting Andreas (Reply 6):
Ok, we may get an ugly broad as Chancellor (not uglier than Thatcher, though) but at least we're playing WC 2006 next year...Scotland will not Big grin Big grin Big grin

You are only there because you are hosting the damn thing! Even then you'll be the first team out  Wink

Quoting Andreas (Reply 6):

Not that anybody in his right mind expected Scotland to qualify...though I have to admit it is indeed very hard to imagine to play worse than England and Germany on Saturday...but then it IS possible, as your side did prove impressively Big grin

Can't argue with that  Sad
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 6:59 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 4):
Oh dear...



Oh dear....

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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:07 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 7):
You are only there because you are hosting the damn thing!

Kirkie, we were ALWAYS there...3 times we won, another 4 times we went on to be finalist, and we added another 3 EC titles...now Scotland...  Wink Big grin
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:17 pm

btw: It is now official...Schroeder retires from politics, a good decision before doing even more damage to his reputation.

Now let's see what Mrs. Merkel can achieve....
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:18 pm

Quoting Andreas (Reply 9):
Kirkie, we were ALWAYS there...3 times we won, another 4 times we went on to be finalist, and we added another 3 EC titles...now Scotland... Wink Big grin

We are the World Elephant Polo champions, despite the fact there is only about 5 elephants in Scotland! Now stick that in your pipe and smoke it  Wink
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:27 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 11):
We are the World Elephant Polo champions

Indeed...just because no one else is stupid enough to use elephants to play polo on! Wink Isn't there something like sheep polo.......?  scratchchin   mischievous   duck 

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 11):
Now stick that in your pipe and smoke it

Er, no thx, I'll stick to our 3-4-3 statistics...much more fun that is Big grin
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:13 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 5):
But don't be too afraid with civil right issues. The Constitutional court will act if it is getting out of hand.

They are already pretty busy, there. There are complaints against:

Lifting the bank-secret
Shooting down aircraft (Luftsicherheitsgesetz)
IMSI-Catcher (device to tap all mobile communication in a certain area)
Telekommunikationsgesetz

Also, there are going to be more complaints:

Lauschangriff (even the newest version of the law seems to be unconstitutional)
Biometric ID cards
Data retention (if it happens)

But this isn't a way of politics, if you have to run to the courts the whole time.

In this elephant marriage, people like Schily, Zypries, Beckstein, Stoiber etc. will run amok, concerning civil rights.
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:08 pm

Angie Merkel = Chancellor
Wolfgang Schäuble = Foreign Minister
Adolf Edmund Stoiber = Minister for Economic Affairs

This is so utterly ridiculous that it isn't fun anymore!

Good night now!

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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:41 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 14):
This is so utterly ridiculous that it isn't fun anymore!

Wait until the next elections.. you can blame the CDU aka Mrs. Merkel for everything that won't work, even if it is the SPDs fault.. be prepared for a strong FDP and Greens.. and.. if I was in the CDU, I would have preferred not to nominate the chancellor but receive key ressorts like finance and interior, inter alia.. now, the SPD has the big card

Well, for me it was the last time I voted for the SPD (OK, I only gave them the first vote, and in my district of the conservative north-west of FRA, the CDU has the absolute majority with the 1st vote).. but it was the last time I voted tactically for them.. I did not check that circle so they elect Mrs. Haesslich as chancellor.. good bye Germany, but it will probably only be two years, till GWB starts to search for WMDs somewhere, Merkel sucks his cock, and some sincere people use their hammers to stop this Schabernack


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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:43 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 14):
Wolfgang Sch�uble = Foreign Minister

Schaeuble will be Minister/Secretary of the Interior.

The Foreign Minister/Secretary of State will be "supplied" by the SPD...

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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:12 pm

Quoting Dazeflight (Reply 16):
Schaeuble will be Minister/Secretary of the Interior.

The Foreign Minister/Secretary of State will be "supplied" by the SPD...

I thought the same but according to WDR 2 will Schäuble become the Foreign Minister, seems that it was a mistake of them.

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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Mon Oct 10, 2005 11:23 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 17):
I thought the same but according to WDR 2 will Schäuble become the Foreign Minister, seems that it was a mistake of them.

The name Struck went around this morning, but obviously Schily is now favorite for foreign...which seems a bit strange given his age and the fact that he wanted to end his career years ago.

I'm waiting for proposals who shall lead the Ministry of Finance...obviously Eichel is "burnt".

Unfortunately Ulla Schmidt seems to be able to cling to her seat...that is a joke and a bad one at that!! The most ridiculous fact is that Horst Seehofer who is an expert on health will probably be Minister of Environmental Issues!!
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:00 am

Quoting Andreas (Reply 18):
I'm waiting for proposals who shall lead the Ministry of Finance...

Peer Steinbrueck is rumored

Quoting Andreas (Reply 18):
Unfortunately Ulla Schmidt seems to be able to cling to her seat...that is a joke and a bad one at that!! The most ridiculous fact is that Horst Seehofer who is an expert on health will probably be Minister of Environmental Issues!!

It is a real joke! Seehofer is the most competent Minister for Public Health, and it is a shame the SPD did not yield the way for him. I heard that Seehofer will be for agriculture, and the environmental ministry will go to the SPD
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:26 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 11):
We are the World Elephant Polo champions, despite the fact there is only about 5 elephants in Scotland! Now stick that in your pipe and smoke it

Never heard about that. That`s really great. Congratulations!  thumbsup 

But I would expect Scotland as world champions in Sheep Polo more likely.  sly 

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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:55 am

Just wondering who will become traffic-minister. Will Stolpe stay on or be replaced ?
 
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 3:38 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 14):
Angie Merkel = Chancellor
Wolfgang Schäuble = Foreign Minister
Adolf Edmund Stoiber = Minister for Economic Affairs

This is so utterly ridiculous that it isn't fun anymore

 Big grin Big grin Big grin
I think Sabena332 would have preferred Angela Merkel becoming the new CEO of LH (his beloved airline).
Seriously, congratulations to Germany that they got rid of this Schröder!

BTW Schäuble is candidate for Minister of interior.
 
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:06 am

Wow, and it took them no longer than three weeks...  banghead  Now cue for a wave of blind actionism and disoriented chaos during the next year or so.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 22):
Seriously, congratulations to Germany that they got rid of this Schröder!

Well let's see how things turn out before judging that one.  Wink
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:26 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21):
Just wondering who will become traffic-minister. Will Stolpe stay on or be replaced ?

If we just get rid of him I am happy... This guy is so incompetent it is incredible...
 
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 5:33 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 22):
Seriously, congratulations to Germany that they got rid of this Schröder!

Thanks, it's great to see him go, although this is not exactly the way we wanted it.

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 15):
be prepared for a strong FDP

I'm prepared for that!!!

But anyway, the whole thing is far from being the ideal answer to our problems.
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:06 am

When will Merke, Blair and Bush end up having their proverbial 3-way?

And when will Merkel commit troops to Iraq?

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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:59 am

Quoting Thorben (Reply 25):
Thanks, it's great to see him go, although this is not exactly the way we wanted it.

Yes I know. I would have preferred when CDU/CSU and FDP had the majority.
 
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:28 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 26):
When will Merke, Blair and Bush end up having their proverbial 3-way?

Pretty soon, it appears.  crazy 
I'd still not underestimate Merkel - her monumental screwup in the Iraq debate notwithstanding.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 26):
And when will Merkel commit troops to Iraq?

She'd have civil war right at home in that case. Why bother going to Iraq to experience the real thing...?  crazy 
 
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:34 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Thread starter):
Will it work?

max for 2 years

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 14):
Angie Merkel = Chancellor
Wolfgang Schäuble = Foreign Minister
Adolf Edmund Stoiber = Minister for Economic Affairs

This is so utterly ridiculous that it isn't fun anymore!

Patrick I heard you will meet the 3 ones on a LH long haul flight and drink a few Oettinger beer with them, is that true...?    I know it couldn´t be worser...

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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:41 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 22):
I think Sabena332 would have preferred Angela Merkel becoming the new CEO of LH

Me too.. the right person in the proper company Big grin

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 26):
When will Merke, Blair and Bush end up having their proverbial 3-way?

And when will Merkel commit troops to Iraq?

It will be like this: some cock sucking of M for Bush, then some f-----g from B to B, Angie swiping in the middle, and this all with CNN coverage ... simply disgusting..

In regard to the troops.. the Minute GWB has some idea where to find WMDs, Merkel will of course emphasize on the friendship and offer another blowjob or some hardcore stuff. If this scenario happens (in regard to the troops and not the intercourse), the SPD will leave the coalition and probably go for a constructive inconficence motion with the Liberals and the Greens to replace Merkel.. that will be a temporary end for the CDU and an old peoples home for Mrs Merkel..  sarcastic  -  innocent 
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:03 pm

Quoting ZRH (Reply 27):
Yes I know. I would have preferred when CDU/CSU and FDP had the majority.

Not just you.
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:15 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 26):
When will Merke, Blair and Bush end up having their proverbial 3-way?

And when will Merkel commit troops to Iraq?

I thought you wanted to win the conflict in Iraq, so better do it without us  Wink
 
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 6:59 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 32):
I thought you wanted to win the conflict in Iraq, so better do it without us

LOL!  bigthumbsup  - This is real good black humor, bashing both transatlantic nations!  Wink
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:32 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 32):
I thought you wanted to win the conflict in Iraq, so better do it without us

Without the German precision that you need to ground BW-jeeps in Afghanistan, because their last ASU was too long ago???  eek 
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:47 pm

Btw I would NOT be surprised if in two years or so, a constructive unconficence motion in compliance with Art. 67 I of the Constitution is put forward.

It could be that the liberals ally with SPD and Greens (after they realized that it might be better for them to be in power), or even the SPD and Greens join with the Leftist party.. do you also think that these scenarios are likely? That would be be the second time after Schmidt was kicked out of office in 1982, with the help of the liberals, the former coalition parther of the SPD
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:06 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 35):

Not with the Liberals, they won't produce a traffic light. Red-Red-Green is more likely without Schröder.
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:11 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 36):
Not with the Liberals, they won't produce a traffic light

I also do not think that the Liberals will go in future in a traffic light... but who knows.

I think the looser of the grand-coalition will be the CDU/CSU party as them are putting the chancellor ... After 2 years the coalition will be broken and we will see a RED-RED coaltion....(of course I hope that this will be not reality.)

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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:12 pm

Quoting Avianca (Reply 37):
After 2 years the coalition will be broken and we will see a RED-RED coaltion....(of course I hope that this will be not reality.)

Yeah, with Lafo as chancellor.  Wink

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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:19 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 38):
Yeah, with Lafo as chancellor.

And hopefully Guildo Horn as finance Minister and Stefan Raab as Foreign Secretary.. how about a coalition with "Die PArtei"? Big grin
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:49 pm

I'd rather want the APPD to be part of the government than the PDS!
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:51 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 39):
how about a coalition with "Die PArtei"?



Quoting Thorben (Reply 40):
I'd rather want the APPD to be part of the government than the PDS!

So how about a coalition with APPD and Die Partei? Would be fun! Big grin

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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:07 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 41):
So how about a coalition with APPD and Die Partei? Would be fun!

Indeed very entertaining.. maybe we need some "refreshing ideas" that pep up, in compliance with this nonsense campaign "Du bist Deutschland" oder so  Smile
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RE: Merkel To Be New German Chancellor

Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:25 am

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 42):
in compliance with this nonsense campaign "Du bist Deutschland" oder so

Click here.

Pretty good stuff among all these. Big grin

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