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Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:45 pm

Now, i brought this up in the abortion thread, but no one responded to it. One of the biggest arguments in the abortion debate is that it's the woman's body, she should do what she sees fit with it. But what if I had a conjoined twin, and wanted to kill it? It's my body, I should be able to do what I want with it. And conjoined twins are much more "connected" than a mother and her unborn child.

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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:47 pm

You have a conjoined twin?
What's his name? Hoboken777?
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:50 pm

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 1):
You have a conjoined twin?



Quoting Newark777 (Thread starter):
But what if I had a conjoined twin, and wanted to kill it?

And I would probably name it Elizabeth777, a much more fitting name.  Wink

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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:09 am

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That said, go ahead, if you feel like lugging around a 100-lb suitcase for the rest of your life.
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:10 am

Why do people have to make generalised arguments/fights about things that happen, maybe, one time in a million cases? Can't things be solved on an individual basis? Do we really need laws that offend millions of people, give thousands of others they affect hell and serve their purpose in maybe two or three cases? Do lawmakers really have to micro-manage everything?

If the answer is yes, then have fun going the "German way": an over-regulated society that screams bloody murder every single time a minor issue is about to be changed.
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:11 am

No one answered you in the other thread because it is a stupid question.
It is not the pithy tidbit of wisdom you have convinced yourself that it is.

But to answer the question... Yes, kill it. Goodbye.
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:40 am

Quoting 4holer (Reply 5):
No one answered you in the other thread because it is a stupid question.
It is not the pithy tidbit of wisdom you have convinced yourself that it is.

But to answer the question... Yes, kill it. Goodbye.

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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:50 am

Dude, if you REALLY want a dead body hanging from you for the rest of your life, far be it from *me* to stop you.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:52 am

I would suppose you could kill your conjoined twin, but think about it. If you kill that person while still conjoined, you'll die too within a matter of days, if not hours. The decaying corpse will poison you. There is no escaping that. Regards.
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:07 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 4):
Why do people have to make generalised arguments/fights about things that happen, maybe, one time in a million cases? Can't things be solved on an individual basis?

Law IS a generalisation. By your logic, we should not have laws, but cops and judges can decide on the spot what is right or wrong according to what side of bed he got up on that day.
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:27 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 9):
Law IS a generalisation. By your logic, we should not have laws, but cops and judges can decide on the spot what is right or wrong according to what side of bed he got up on that day.

You didn't read the bit about micro-managing, did you? If something is regulated "well enough" by one law, I don't see why every single variation of it has to be regulated by ten more laws. This is, of course, about things you'd have to debate or go to court for, not about parking rules or similar every-day regulations.
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:40 am

It's not a stupid question. Doctors have had to make the decision of sepparating conjoined twins (usually soon after birth). Frequently one of the twins is not capable of independent survival.

On the other hand, assuming the conjoined twins are adults and one wants to kill the other, that would be murder - and possibly suicide. If you remained conjoined to adulthood, it's probably becasue one or the other - or both - cannot survive independently.

Difficult question.

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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:45 am

Yes, I can.

As my whish to die and my brothers wish to live weigh in the same.

As we share the same property, this case cannot be covered by law.

It is a personal thing between the two siblings and no one else´s business.
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:20 am

Interesting. I know some people from the local medical school, where I was once shown an X-ray of a living human heart that had a very small "conjoined twin" embedded in it, actually one could as well talk of a "non-growing growth". Seems the "twin" can be anywhere in the body, but a heart-sited one is a wicked one to deal with.
 
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:53 am

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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:12 am

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 8):
I would suppose you could kill your conjoined twin, but think about it. If you kill that person while still conjoined, you'll die too within a matter of days, if not hours. The decaying corpse will poison you. There is no escaping that.

But where is the conjoined twin, inside or outside your body. Is the conjoined twin alive or dead.

Quoting Peterk (Reply 12):
Yes, I can.

As my whish to die and my brothers wish to live weigh in the same.

As we share the same property, this case cannot be covered by law.

It is a personal thing between the two siblings and no one else´s business.

WTF are you on about, are you and Newark777 related.

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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:23 am

Conjoined twins are always identical twins. Those twins are of the same genetic makeup and can live inside or connected to each other quite happily indefinitely. When either one dies, and no essential organs, circulation, etc are being shared, a quick separation operation would save the remaining one's life.
 
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 7:54 am

Only if it's parasitic, otherwise no.  smile 
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:02 am

What would happen if two conjoined twins (one controlling each handle bar) got into a motorcycle accident, but only one had insurance and a license?
 
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:06 am

No, but your brother has my permission.

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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:43 am

Oh like a moth to the flame, maybe I'll be the first to give you a serious answer:

I don't think you can compare an adult (or child) human who is attached to you to a few cells in a developing embryo. Abortion is a tricky issue, but why do pro-life people act as though all abortions occur in the ninth month of pregnancy?

An abortion at an early enough stage is entirely different. (See Logan's pictures)

If you want to have a debate about when a human becomes a human, then that's an interesting question. I can understand religious ideas that this happens at conception, but that notion IS based on faith rather than studying the development of the fetus, and thus I personally believe it is not appropriate to legislate based on that idea when it has so many negative results (personal and social). All this, however, is perhaps for a more serious thread...

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go hang off the toilet while my conjoined twin drops a load...

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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 8:51 am

Quoting TheCoz (Reply 18):
What would happen if two conjoined twins (one controlling each handle bar) got into a motorcycle accident, but only one had insurance and a license?

The one without the insurance wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:00 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 4):
Do lawmakers really have to micro-manage everything?

If the answer is yes, then have fun going the "German way": an over-regulated society that screams bloody murder every single time a minor issue is about to be changed.

Should they? No. Do they? Yes, unfortunately. American society has been headed this "German way" you've mentioned for the past 30 years.
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:22 am

Quoting TheCoz (Reply 18):
What would happen if two conjoined twins (one controlling each handle bar) got into a motorcycle accident, but only one had insurance and a license?

1 Concerning the license:
1.1 The one not holding a license was guilty to a certain extent, as you are only permitted to drive a vehicle if you have one.
1.2 The one holding a license would also be guilty to a certain extent, because of letting some one drive who does not have a license.

2 Concerning the insurance of the vehicle:
2.1 In general there wouldn´t be a problem about the insurance, as the vehicle needs only to be covered by one insurance.
2.2 In this particular case the insurance wouldn´t have to pay to the fullest extent because of 1.2

3 Concerning health assurance (assuming that only one of the affected people has it):
They would pay for the treatment of both, because their lives depend on each other.

4 In general:
A conjoined twin can easily be accused of compliancy - hence the question of punishment is concerned.
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:57 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 21):
The one without the insurance wouldn't have a leg to stand on.

Ha ha, ya, what if one twin controlled the legs and the other controlled the arms?

Quoting Peterk (Reply 23):
4 In general:
A conjoined twin can easily be accused of compliancy - hence the question of punishment is concerned.

What about a hostage situation? If the twin who controlled the arms was holding a gun to the twin who controlled the legs, what would happen?
 
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:12 am

Quoting TheCoz (Reply 24):
What about a hostage situation? If the twin who controlled the arms was holding a gun to the twin who controlled the legs, what would happen?

What´s so special about that?
It´s a simple hostage situation. (At first you can neglect some curiosities as what would happen if he actually shot)
But nevertheless, the twin controlling the legs could be asked why "he" went to the place where the gun is, if he wasn´t a legal gun owner.

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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:34 am

This brings me to a question...
If my conjoined twim commits murder, would I have to go to jail too?
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:28 pm

Quoting AGM114L (Reply 26):
If my conjoined twin commits murder, would I have to go to jail too?

As far as I know...

Sure.
Keeping the risk from the public of your sibling being a persistent offender outweighs your personal freedom.
As for yourself, you (both, of course) would´ve been institutionalized to a forensic-psychiatric hospital. So that you wouldn´t have to suffer too much from imprisonment, and your sibling not to have the chance to go again.

I wonder why you didn´t outright present the case where your sibling was facing death penalty (which was - as you know - abolished in Germany in 1949 with the Charter/Constitution coming into effect - but US military prisons located in Germany executing it until 1951).
To answer that in advance: It will be transformed into a lifelong sentence. (see above).
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:27 pm

If my conjoined twin impregnates a woman who subsequently has an abortion, would her conjoined twin or me be a more irresponsible baby killer in Matt D's eyes?

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 19):
No, but your brother has my permission.

Funniest thing I've read in this forum in quite some time!
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Thu Oct 13, 2005 4:24 pm

How do conjoined twins have sex?  Smile
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Fri Oct 14, 2005 12:54 am

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 29):
How do conjoined twins have sex?

Depends on where they are joined. If they "make a Y", having 2 heads and 1 set of legs, they'll only have one set of garbage as well. If they "make an X" and have 2 of everything, it starts getting complicated.
A major issue with a four-headed conjoined twin/relationship complex, of course, are the other conjoined partners. So many tricky scenarios. For example, what if one half is an X and the other a Y? What if 2 heads hate each other? What if one head is ugly? What if one head is gay? What if one twin kills his conjoined partner?
Oh, the possibilities!!
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Fri Oct 14, 2005 2:58 am

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 29):
How do conjoined twins have sex?

You should ask this person:
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:40 am

Quoting TheCoz (Reply 24):
Ha ha, ya, what if one twin controlled the legs and the other controlled the arms?

Then there'd be no 'arm in it.

Quoting ManuCH (Reply 29):
How do conjoined twins have sex?

That would be incest.
 
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:42 am

Go big or go home
 
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RE: Can I Kill My Conjoined Twin?

Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:09 pm

Speaking of hypocrisy,

Does anyone find it the least bit interesting that the vast majority of people who are pro-life when it comes to babies, are extremely pro-war? Now I think that is more relevent then trying to tie twins compared to undeveloped embryos

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