Logan22L
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BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sat Oct 22, 2005 10:02 am

Hey Mods: I have tried very hard to organize A.netters over in Civil Aviation to update their arrival and accomodation plans for the BOS Ailiners show next weekend (Sat, October 29). There has been a thread in Civil Av:
Boston Airline Show (airliners.net Meeting?) (by Tommy Mogren Sep 25 2005 in Civil Aviation)

but these guys cannot organize a meet the way we Non-Av people can. So, I'm posting here. If you need to delete this, I'll understand, but I'm trying to get a handle on who's what and where, and very few seem to be able to provide their itinerarire, where to meet at the show, etc.

Calling everyone, let's get together.

A list of who is coming, to the best of my ability:

Boeing767mech
LH423
9V-SPF
Gift4tbone
SNATH - local, has car for spotting
PHLBOS - arriving Sat morning, leaving Sat afternoon
Flpuck6
Logan22L - local, has car for spotting
TUNisia - has car for spotting
ChrisNH - has car for spotting
MH017
KiwiNanday
PPSMA
BoeingBus
CO2BGR - Flying in for the day

CO2BGR started a list of people who´d meet AFTER the show for some spotting and evening entertainment, but apparently he gave up on such a difficult task...
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RE: BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:20 pm

Man, if only I could attend...

Save a thought for me!

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RE: BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:30 pm

I don't know what I'm doing next weekend, but I'll look into it. Spotting wise, the end of the Cruise Ship Dock is great when they are using 4L/4R for arrivals, and subsequently 22R/22L for departures. The 4L/22R aircraft are practically over your head, and the parallel approaches are of course awesome too. Directions wise, pick up the silver line at South Station and take it to the Boston Marine Industrial Park. Walk down the LEFT side of the pier (cargo warehouse side) to the end (my friend and I got yelled at by the police when we tried to go down the right side). Also, Jetblue Cargo is located there.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=boston...28&spn=0.003028,0.008888&t=k&hl=en

Also, check out the 3 aircraft on approach to 33L.

[Edited 2005-10-22 07:38:18]
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Logan22L
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RE: BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:12 am

Quoting Drewfly (Reply 2):
Spotting wise, the end of the Cruise Ship Dock is great when they are using 4L/4R for arrivals, and subsequently 22R/22L for departures.

I know it's a great spot, but my experience has been that security moves you along pretty fast. Especially lots of nuts with cameras.
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RE: BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:20 am

Logan22L,

Your forgot to list Tappan. Although, he'll actually be participating in the show.

In terms of a meeting place, my suggestion would be (and I mentioned this in the previous thread) the foyer/lounge area of the Embassy Suites hotel which is centrally located with respect to where the exhibition rooms are. That way if someone gets there early but doesn't see anyone, he can browse through the exhibit tables and check back periodically... he doesn't have to excessively wait in the foyer/lounge area (unless he wants to). Again, we're not talking about an area that's as congested & spread-out (relatively) like the Quincy Market/Faneuil Hall Marketplace for example; it's not like people are going to get lost at the Embassy Suites.

The other thing here is that unlike last summer's NYC meet and even the ATL meet last September, the Show is the primary focus here; any spotting and/or night activities are basically add-ons. In past meets, the spotting & dinner were the primary activities and the night activities that followed were the extras. This time around, the main issue that might play into spotting activities is weather. If the weather's a repeat of last year; I doubt that anyone will want to go spotting.

Quoting Logan22L (Thread starter):
There has been a thread in Civil Av:
...
but these guys cannot organize a meet the way we Non-Av people can.

No offense here, but what's that supposed to mean? I will have you know that last year there were at least 2 successful (one of which I attended) A.net spotter gatherings (post-spotting dinner & other activities followed) that never went outside the Civil Aviation Forum.

The other reason for the sluggish response is probably due to people's schedules. Some people (mainly the locals) won't know how free they are next Saturday until this upcoming week. I can assure you that this thread and/or the original one posted in the Civil Av. will get some activity this coming week.

The other thing needed, for any spotting and/or post show activities would be to have one or two people serving as the primary contacts & coordinators. Having one or two individuals plan the tentative activities will reduce the Free For All and/or The Too Many Cooks Spoil the Soup scenarios.

Personally, since there many might arrive at the show at different times; in case it hasn't already been considered, it would be strongly suggested that any spotting and/or other activities be scheduled after the show.

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P.S. I still have your cell number from the NYC meet; I can call you when my flight arrives at BOS.
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RE: BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:35 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 4):
Your forgot to list Tappan.

I just plucked the most recent listing from the other thread. I'm sure there are many more who chimed in, but never made it to the list.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 4):
No offense here, but what's that supposed to mean?

It just seemed that very few (yourself excluded) were posting itineraries or ability to drive people around. I was trying to pull that info together and not much was showing up. For the ATL meet, which was posted here, things were very well posted and co-ordinated, but that's probably because Ian the Horrible was organizing it.  Wink

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 4):
In terms of a meeting place, my suggestion would be (and I mentioned this in the previous thread) the foyer/lounge area of the Embassy Suites hotel which is centrally located with respect to where the exhibition rooms are.

Sounds perfect.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 4):
The other thing needed, for any spotting and/or post show activities would be to have one or two people serving as the primary contacts & coordinators. Having one or two individuals plan the tentative activities will reduce the Free For All and/or The Too Many Cooks Spoil the Soup scenarios.

True, and I have the week from hell coming up - five projects gone wild at work, two symphony rehearsals, and a concert on Sunday. So, I'll be at the show, and I'll be able to drive for spotting if needed afterwards and go to dinner, but I've very little time to organize things this week in terms of making a reservation for dinner (if there's 30 of us, that may be impossible) or other stuff. Any takers?

I look forward to seeing you again, Chris.
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RE: BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:56 am

Just had a look at the airport on Google Earth, looks like an interesting layout but what is the point of 33R/15L? It looks a tad short....
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RE: BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:02 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 6):
Just had a look at the airport on Google Earth, looks like an interesting layout but what is the point of 33R/15L? It looks a tad short....

15R/33L is Logan's longest runway at 10,083'. Perhaps you meant 9/27? Nine regularly sees take-offs and 27 landings and take-offs (you can't use 9 for landings due to the proximity of downtown skyscrapers). It's 7,000' so all but the largest aircraft can use it.
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RE: BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:10 am

This little one right here, 33R/15L

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v155/andzz/logan.jpg
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RE: BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:20 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 8):
This little one right here, 33R/15L

Holy crap! I never even noticed that. I always thought it was a taxiway. There's a good deal of GA at Logan, so they must use it for that when 15R/33L is being used by larger craft. They typically split large and small up when using 4R/22L and/or 4L/22R, so they need a similar option for 15/33.
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RE: BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:26 am

I found this:



Isn't 2,557ft a bit short even for GA? It just seems so out of place.
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RE: BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:36 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 10):
Isn't 2,557ft a bit short even for GA? It just seems so out of place.

Maybe not for this:


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RE: BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:45 am

Ok, I will be here next weekend, but my girlfriend willl be in town. The thing is, she is also coming to visit a friend of her's in Brighton, so I may be able to swing down. If I do, I can drive down if a car is needed.

Boeing767mech
LH423
9V-SPF
Gift4tbone
SNATH - local, has car for spotting
PHLBOS - arriving Sat morning, leaving Sat afternoon
Flpuck6
Logan22L - local, has car for spotting
TUNisia - has car for spotting
ChrisNH - has car for spotting
MH017
KiwiNanday
PPSMA
BoeingBus
CO2BGR - Flying in for the day
N1120A - Maybe, can bring car if needed
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RE: BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:56 am

Well SAA landed a 742 in half the length of a 5617 x 50ft runway here in Johannesburg so anything is possible!
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RE: BOS Meet Is Next Weekend

Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:11 am

I believe 15L/33R is mostly used as an exit taxiway from landings on 4R. I personally have never seen an aircraft use it otherwise, but as stated, some GA aircraft could potentially use it (at least for landings).

Also, I think it's more a function of how close you are to your MTOW/MLW that determines the runway length you need (plus numerous other factors). I'm pretty sure I've seen photos of 747s landing on 27, and I've personally been on cross-country 737s and A320s that took off on 22L instead of the usual 22R (I assume for the extra 3,000 feet).

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