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Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:11 am

No, it is not a joke.  Wow!
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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:15 am

When we get to Hurricane Gamma...wouldn't it be ironic if someone tried to nuke the storm?  Radioactive rain falling for hundreds of miles around.  

Mark

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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:18 am

And the season still has through November 30th to go. Hurricane Otto formed last year on the last day of the season.
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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:19 am

I hope hurricane season is going to end rather soon! I feel so bad for all the places affected so far.

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P.S. Let's hope we don't reach Omega.
 
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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:20 am

I think following this season, there will be a huge bump in research on how to 'spin down' hurricanes.
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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 6:57 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 4):
I think following this season, there will be a huge bump in research on how to 'spin down' hurricanes.

I think if we could connect several hundred barges together, we'd be able to send Kieron747's mom on a collision course with the hurricane. Something that size should cut a category 5 down to a category 1 in a matter of minutes.
 
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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:24 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 4):
I think following this season, there will be a huge bump in research on how to 'spin down' hurricanes.

They've tried that, it didnt work. They tried cloud seeding to destroy the eye walls of hurricanes, but the hurricane just regenerates a new eye wall, treating it like a normal eyewall-replacement cycle.

Nukes? Would never happen.

Cooling the ocean? How exactly? And would never happen due to the threat to marine life that such a move would create.

We'll have to live with the hurricanes...ride out this period of increased storms for the next 20-40 years, until the quieter seasons arrive. It's part of nature, the best we can do is better protect ourselves better on land from wind, rain, and flooding that hurricanes cause, among other things, as well as research and improve better methods of evacuation.

As far as TS Alpha: I find this really interesting, although I hate the destruction these storms cause, it's fascinating how active this season has been. I wonder just how far into the greek alphabet we'll go before the storms end this year. Certainly history-making.

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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:25 am

Quoting Aloha717200 (Reply 6):
ride out this period of increased storms for the next 20-40 years, until the quieter seasons arrive.

Riiiight
 
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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:31 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 7):
Riiiight

Mind elaborating?


Have a look at this link:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051022/ap_on_re_us/tropical_weather

Or this one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropical_cyclone


The second one especially, which describes past projects to destroy hurricanes before they became too powerful or endangered coastal areas. It didn't work. Talked about in both links are the 20-40 year cycles of increased hurricane activity. We are in one of those cycles now.


So I don't understand your comment?
 
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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:35 am

So what is it? Its a cycle caused by higher temperatures but only for 10 years, or is it global warming? Your article contradicts itself
 
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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:39 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 9):
So what is it? Its a cycle caused by higher temperatures but only for 10 years, or is it global warming? Your article contradicts itself

It's not global warming. Though that's a very popular theory.

It's a normal cycle of weather patterns in the Atlantic Basin. The current season, according to one of the articles, is resemblant of the 50s and 60s.


Global warming may have an effect on these hurricane seasons, but not much has been proven yet. What we do know, is that this has occured in the past.


Read the second link, the Wikipedia article. You will learn a lot.
 
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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:43 am

getting your facts from an online open source encyclopedia make real researchers cry

From the first link:
"Since 1995, the Atlantic has been in a period of higher hurricane activity, a cycle expected to last at least another 10 years."
And then the contradiction
"Scientists say the cause of the increase is a rise in ocean temperatures and a decrease in the amount of disruptive vertical wind shear that rips hurricanes apart."

So what is it? global warming or a cycle?

And from your sad replacement of research
"The number and strength of Atlantic hurricanes may undergo a 50-70-year cycle."

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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:58 am

Actually, I've been puzzling over a stupidly simple but perhaps effective solution: Spread a 50km by 50km floating mass of dry, super-light weight plastic over the center of a forming hurricane, to cut off the warm water source. No warm water, no increased spin.

I'd suggest they commission that artist dude, Christoff or something (you know the one who likes dressing up landmarks with sheets of various colors), for the task.
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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:58 am

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 1):
When we get to Hurricane Gamma...wouldn't it be ironic if someone tried to nuke the storm? Radioactive rain falling for hundreds of miles around.

Well, there's always alpha particles.  Wink

Quoting B744F (Reply 11):
So what is it? global warming or a cycle?

Here's something to blow your mind: Maybe that "rise in ocean temperatures" is part of this ten-year period and some scientists don't think it's caused by man-made global warming?

Look, I also think we humans create at least part of overall global warming. I also think this contributes to the more severe weather phenomena we've been observing lately. This probably means I agree with you on this issue, but: your know-it-all know-it-better attitude makes me cringe every time I read your posts.

I think you got something wrong: Criticising the US is indeed popular nowadays, but not bashing. Georgw W. Bush and his admin are a different story, as they do not represent all of America.

All I see you do in this forum is attack anything American, and quite frankly I don't like being lumped together with you in the "anti-American Bush-bashing *expletive*" category by anyone. Do everyone a favour and get some info before you post away.

Thank you.

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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:55 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 11):
getting your facts from an online open source encyclopedia make real researchers cry

From the first link:
"Since 1995, the Atlantic has been in a period of higher hurricane activity, a cycle expected to last at least another 10 years."
And then the contradiction
"Scientists say the cause of the increase is a rise in ocean temperatures and a decrease in the amount of disruptive vertical wind shear that rips hurricanes apart."

So what is it? global warming or a cycle?

That's not a condradiction, the ocean temperature rise is PART of the cycle.

You must have missed that. And for your information Wikipedia is an excellent, quick way of researching facts. It is an encyclopedia. I'm at a loss as to why you consider it to not be real research, or do you expect me to search for facts for you for 12 hours when they can be brought up quickly on a simple encyclopedia search engine?


Oh well. Clearly you are better than me, I bow to your clear supremacy.
 
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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:01 pm

Yeah, we briefly touched on Alpha last night in "The Darkest Hour In CUN..." thread. Unfortunately, further event development seems to be a possibility. Fortunately (for US), preliminary models suggest a non-encounter.

That additional "Greek Names" will manifest through the remainder of the hurricane season is a crap-shoot.

Climate-defining natural internal and topographical events on the planet seem to be cyclical; problem is, that the cycles vary a lot (by our miniscule human perspective) and what seems like a big deal to us is just a fart in the wind in reference to a grand historical scale. I only add this last paragraph because it's obvious where this thread is being hijacked to, so I just thought I'd get in MOHO. Regards..jack
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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:35 pm

Makes me glad I changed my handle thise year.  Big grin
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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:55 pm

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 3):
P.S. Let's hope we don't reach Omega.



Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
Makes me glad I changed my handle thise year.

You know, Falcon, if it did get to Omega and the season wasn't done yet, they might have name the next one, well, you know....  Wink

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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 1:24 pm

I belive the only practical solution is to relocate the population away from the coast and move inland.
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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 2:06 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
And the season still has through November 30th to go. Hurricane Otto formed last year on the last day of the season.

Don't forget Peter that formed up last December! Hurricanes never have to stick to the season, the dates just simply mark the most favorable time of the year for tropical cyclone development.

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RE: Hello To Tropical Storm Alpha

Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:20 pm

"""[W]e are reaching the point where we can see that we are starting to make massive, probably irreversible, changes to our climate. The glaciers are in full retreat almost everywhere, the Arctic is melting (with total melting of the summer sea ice possible, though not certain, as early as 2020), the permafrost is melting, and releasing large amounts of methane, which is a very powerful global warming gas, while in the last thirty years, droughts have doubled due to warming, hurricanes are much more intense all over the globe, and are showing up in places they never did before in recorded history. Scientists have been projecting changes in ocean circulation, and lo-and-behold, they are starting to show up, including changes to the North Atlantic Circulation, although major change here was previously thought unlikely this century. There is some possibility of changes in deepwater circulation destabilizing methane hydrates in the ocean, particularly in South East Asian deeps. Oh, and the Greenland ice sheet is now melting much faster than climatologists expected, and the West Antarctic ice sheet is starting to collapse, though again, this was previously thought unlikely. Also paleoclimatological studies have made it clear that in the past the climate abruptly flipped between modes, sometimes with dramatic change in as little as three years. And we are making rapid changes in carbon dioxide, known to be critically important in regulating the temperature of this sensitive climatic system for a century now."""

Courtesy of the energybulletin.net. I think the above paragraph sums up quite nicely whats happening on the climate front globally. Anyone who thinks that man made global warming is not responsible in part to these massive climatic events that we are seeing before out eyes is in denial.

Americans seem to be the worst at denying these changes.

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