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UAE Says Saddam Agreed To Exile Before War

Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:19 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/inte...national/AP-Iraq-Saddam-Exile.html

The AP is reporting that,
"Saddam Hussein accepted an 11th-hour offer to flee into exile weeks ahead of the U.S.-led 2003 invasion, but Arab League officials scuttled the proposal, officials in this Gulf state claimed.

The exile initiative was spearheaded by the late president of the United Arab Emirates, Sheik Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahyan, at an emergency Arab summit held in Egypt in February 2003, Sheik Zayed's son said in an interview aired by Al-Arabiya TV during a documentary. The U.S.-led coalition invaded on March 19 that year.

A top government official confirmed the offer on Saturday, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.

Saddam allegedly accepted the offer to try halt the invasion and bring elections to Iraq within six months, claimed the official and Sheik Zayed's son.

''We had the final acceptance of the various parties ... the main players in the world and the concerned person, Saddam Hussein,'' the son, Sheik Mohammed Bin Zayed Al Nahyan, said during the program aired Thursday to mark the first anniversary of his father's death.

Sheik Zayed's initiative would have given Saddam and his family exile and guarantees against prosecution in return for letting Arab League and U.N. experts run Iraq until elections could be held in six months, the official said"
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The most interesting claim from the article is that,
"Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak, said the United States was aware of the proposal."
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Obviously this is all history, but what IF the white house would have more actively pursued exile negotiations AND actually got all parties to commit to a peaceful settlement?
 
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RE: UAE Says Saddam Agreed To Exile Before War

Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:30 pm

According to the info above, the negotiations were held by the Arab League. Any input from the U.S. would have tainted it. Why would they want the Imperialist involved? The best thing the White House could do is stay out. Saddam should have complied with the UN resolutions back in 1991.
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RE: UAE Says Saddam Agreed To Exile Before War

Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:58 pm

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Thread starter):
Obviously this is all history, but what IF the white house would have more actively pursued exile negotiations AND actually got all parties to commit to a peaceful settlement?

By the same token, what if the Arab League officals hadn't nixed the settlement?

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RE: UAE Says Saddam Agreed To Exile Before War

Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:34 pm

The anonymous Emirates official said Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa did not bring the proposal to the summit's discussion because Arab foreign ministers had not presented and accepted it as league protocol dictated.

At the time, Arab League leaders said the summit decided not to take up the idea, citing league rules barring interference in members' domestic affairs.


As a Lebanese, I can guess why this could have happened.

I think the Arab League is worried of another screw up like they did in Lebanon back in 1976 when they created the 30,000-troop Arab Deterrent Force (ADF) which was meant to be a peace-keeping force to put an end to the civil war which had started a year earlier (1975). One of the biggest flaws of the ADF was the fact that 25,000 of the 30,000 troops were Syrian and the Syrian regime had an agenda in Lebanon.

In 1979, the 5,000 Sudanese, Saudi and Emirati forces departed and it became purely a Syrian force. The ADF quickly collapsed and the Syrian forces became just one of the many factions involved in Lebanon's civil war which would not come to an end until 1990.

I think the Arab League may be fearing a similar situation of breaking out in Iraq should the country fall into a civil war during the time that the Arab League and UN would administer it.

Arab League Secretary General Amr Moussa for years has been campaigning to reform the Arab League to make it a more effective organization and allow decisions/responses to be made more quickly, however he's had little success so far, mainly because the member states are too lazy to do anything...

I should also mention that the founding father of the United Arab Emirates, Sheikh Zayed bin Sultan Al Nahayan was a great leader and a philanthropist who was deeply loved by all his people and across the Arab world.

This Wednesday will be the 1 year anniversary of his death. UAE television stations are broadcasting many programs about his life.

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[Edited 2005-10-30 07:40:21]
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RE: UAE Says Saddam Agreed To Exile Before War

Sun Oct 30, 2005 3:35 pm

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
By the same token, what if the Arab League officals hadn't nixed the settlement?

That’s a good question. But the onus of peaceful settlement was not on the Arab League, rather the onus was on the U.S. and Sadam, and from the article it appears Sadam was willing to find a peaceful alternative. Again if the report is accurate, then once the U.S. knew of this proposal, then the U.S. should have done everything in its power to make this happen, be it covertly or overtly. My view and the view of many, is that the U.S. should only use military action as a last resort, and if the report is true, then one seriously has to wonder if all peaceful alternatives were implemented before the U.S. invaded Iraq.
 
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RE: UAE Says Saddam Agreed To Exile Before War

Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:50 pm

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 4):
But the onus of peaceful settlement was not on the Arab League, rather the onus was on the U.S. and Sadam, and from the article it appears Sadam was willing to find a peaceful alternative. Again if the report is accurate, then once the U.S. knew of this proposal, then the U.S. should have done everything in its power to make this happen, be it covertly or overtly.

Sometimes the world doesn't work like it should. Let's assume for sake of argument that this report is true. I assume you were in the US prior to the war - do you really think that Bush and Co. would have been interested in further negotiations with Saddam? Whether the onus is on them or not, the Arab League dropped the ball on this one (again, assuming that this is true). Yeah, it may not have been their responsibility to step in, and maybe action on their part wouldn't have done anything at all, but if you've got a good chance to stop a war, you've got to do something.

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RE: UAE Says Saddam Agreed To Exile Before War

Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:12 pm

Quoting BA (Reply 3):
I think the Arab League may be fearing a similar situation of breaking out in Iraq should the country fall into a civil war during the time that the Arab League and UN would administer it.

True. Beside the point that the governments of the USA and UK had, quite obviously whenever hardly provable, already fully decided in favour of a full military invasion in fall 2002, so that any such initiative would have been too late anyway.

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