dtwclipper
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New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:00 am

I just got this! Has anyone else received such a notice?


I have received unsolicited commercial email from you. You have,
deliberately and with intent to make financial gain, invaded my
privacy. That is a crime in my State. I am willing to settle the
matter with you this week for $50, to be paid to my Paypal account.

If you choose not to settle, I can and will file for damages in my
local small claims court. I can and will ask for at least 10 times the
settlement amount plus court and collection costs. All that is
required to prove my case in the local court is a printout of your
UCE.

While you may have an attorney present, YOUR presence is required by
the Small Claims court. Without your presence, I win by default. Your
attorney cannot represent you in this court. When I win the case in
Small Claims Court, the judgement (1) is not appealable to any higher
court and (2) will be sent to Superior Court for certification.

When the judgement is certified, it will be sent to the Superior Court
in your area. Once it is filed with that court, it will be in the
Public Records for your area, plus, I will be able to seize your bank
accounts and other assets until my judgement is satisfied. Perhaps
worse, you will also have to pay for all of this paperwork as a result
of the initial judgement.
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Gofly
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:06 am

Sounds incredibly dodgy.

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RobertNL070
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:26 am

Wow, what will they think of next? Cheeky sods. Delete.

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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:28 am

Quickly, pay at once. You wouldn't want a criminal record  Yeah sure
 
dtwclipper
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting Saintsman (Reply 3):
You wouldn't want a criminal record

Too late, got one of those already!
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AirScoot
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:30 am

Since you're in the US, and I assume there was no removal link  Wink you can always send it to the spam complaint email address at the FCC.. Big grin
 
Evan767
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:30 am

E-mail him back and say, " Fine bitch let's go to court." It'll scare the crap out of him.
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dtwclipper
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:33 am

Quoting AirScoot (Reply 5):
Since you're in the US, and I assume there was no removal link you can always send it to the spam complaint email address at the FCC..

I already sent it on to my e-mail provider.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 6):
E-mail him back and say, " Fine bitch let's go to court." It'll scare the crap out of him.

I thought about that, telling him I have contacted my lawyer in regards to an extortion suit, but I do not want to e-mail him back until I have heard from my provider.
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:43 am

I'd send it back and ask for $75.
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:44 am

Haven't seen exactly this one, but it looks much to familiar.

Report it to your national anti-spam/-scam office or do nothing.

DON'T EVER reply in any way. That proves to the sender that your email is indeed active and your email address will be sold at a fraction of a cent together with a million other adresses to Russian spamming agencies.
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whitehatter
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 6:50 am

Another doing the rounds is offering jobs with Kemper Insurance.

Whilst Kemper is a bona fide insurance company, the reply address is a domain set up to look like it is official. So beware, it's an excuse to get your bank account details when you go through the 'application'.

The reply address is to kemperins.net which is registered to a bogus Dutch address and not the US based company.
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:17 am

That's pretty darn funny, I know you shouldn't reply to these but I'd be really tempted to give someone a piece of my mind!  Wink Anyhoo, did they give you their Paypal details, or do you have to reply to get it? I'm sure the people who run Paypal would be interested to find out what this individual(s) is using his/her account for...


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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:23 am

So this Joker is willing to settle this for 50 bucks. Hrmmm, for whomever pays this, I have a some great beachfront property in New Mexico that I can sell 'em.
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:33 am

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 9):
DON'T EVER reply in any way. That proves to the sender that your email is indeed active and your email address will be sold at a fraction of a cent together with a million other adresses to Russian spamming agencies.

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Never, ever, ever, ever reply to SPAM, especially the Porn, Nigerian, and I'd say this type. As much as that brief moment may be gartifying, you'll spend the next months cursing yourself as you deal with an ever increasing flood of SPAM.
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:50 am

I got something similar...

Apparently, I've been looking a child porn (jeebus...) and I need to pay 2000 USD, or they'll tell the police in my state  Silly Too bad I don't even LIVE in the states...

Oh, and i got quite a deal of "we know you earn your money in a illegal manner and we want to make 'em white for you! Just send them to our paypal account and I won't tell the police!" Big grin

I'm sure I have interpol on my tail now, with all the things I've apparently done, I must deserve a death penalty!  beady 
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:50 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
I just got this! Has anyone else received such a notice?

Not as yet, what's the originator's address so we can look out?
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dtwclipper
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 7:51 am

So, I did a little research on the guy.

Turns out that by doing some detective work, he's a real person in California.

I contacted his local police departement.

Let's see what happens.
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whitehatter
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:15 am

Could be a hijacked account though, in which case some poor sap would be getting his collar felt.

Which he has probably brought on himself for using a guessable password or handing out his account details to a phisher.
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canuckpaxguy
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 8:16 am

DTWCLIPPER - How does this person intend to serve you notice re: small claims court? Via email? How on Earth will this person set-up collection of his payment without your full name, address etc? Which state awards damages for email spam? Bottom line: Do not respond.

I've dealt with a lot of email and online fraud with many of my clients. (I'm in banking.) It happens a lot more often than you think, and I cannot stress how big a deal this all can be. I've witnessed absolute horror stories. Do NOT respond to such emails.

The most common sort of online fraud I see lately is called "PHISHING", and I've seen A LOT of it lately. Phishing is a type of fraud that is designed to trick individuals into disclosing confidential and financial information for the purpose of identity theft.

For example, you may get an email from your bank asking you to reconfirm your login and password, or to verify some other account information. There's usually a URL on the email which then takes you to a web-page that looks exactly like your financial institution's web-page, but isn't.

When you enter your ID and password you may get taken to another page thanking you for updating your information, but what you've actually done is given some fraudster full access to your account information by sharing your user ID and password.

Think for a second how much information is stored in your online banking account. Account numbers, investment balances, loan histories, personal address information, not to mention accounts you may have set-up for bill payments: Cell phone info; other credit card information; my account for the toll-highway has my license plate info on it...and so on.

If one of your credit cards is tied to a frequent-flyer program (and you've used the same password on that site as you did on your banking site) that person could access your FF account ---- many of which carry information such as PASSPORT numbers.

Be careful out there. Be vigilant with your information protection. Visit your bank's website to find out how they protect you from fraud. If they don't, switch banks.

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dtwclipper
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:01 pm

So it turns out that the guy who sent me this e-mail is a network Admin from Napa, California.

I forwarded his e-mail to the Napa Police Department.

I really want to respond to the jacka$$, but I know I can't do that.

I just hope they bust his sorry a$$!
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:14 pm

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 9):
DON'T EVER reply in any way. That proves to the sender that your email is indeed active and your email address will be sold at a fraction of a cent together with a million other adresses to Russian spamming agencies.

huh? Why Russian spamming agencies????

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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 12:32 pm

Some sleaze tried to do that to me for real, except it wasn't "spam". He claimed something I sold him on eBay wasn't what I had advertised and threatened to call the cops in my town if I didn't give send him "what I had promised".

A quick email to PayPal got me (1 month later after PayPal "investigated") off the hook there by telling the seller I had given him exactly what I'd advertised (duh). I'd nail the bastard with negative feedback (he only had a +1 feedback to begin with, so 1 + (-1) = 0) if I wasn't sure he'd get me right back with (however unfounded) negative feedback myself.
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:04 pm

One good way to hit spammers back is to post their emails in a thread like this. Google searches and the like that randomly pick out email address from the web in order for spam to be sent out will pick the emails and effectively the spammers themselves will be spammed. Semi-sweet revenge.

Heres a few from my trash-box:
therenickson945@yahoo.com
emeryrcb@fusemail.com
maysovimoordudl@yahoo.com
.ldk@iecg.info
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dtwclipper
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:42 pm

Just found the start of this!

http://community-2.webtv.net/MP-News/MartinsWayofDoing/page5.html


Paypal & the Art of Getting Money from Spammers


1. Set up a Paypal account. If you don't already have one, go to www.paypal.com and they'll walk you through the rest. If you're gonna use the rest of my information to get rich (lol) at least put me down as the referral so I get $5! As of April 2002, I've gotten a total of $0 in Paypal referrals. (sigh)

2. Sort out your UCE [unsolicited commercial email]. The only ones you will be dealing with are those that (a) didn't use false headers, (b) sent the email actually addressed to you and (c) you didn't request their solicitations.
You probably just eliminated 90% of your spam. On the good side, it keeps the workload down.

3. Go back over to the Paypal site. After you log in, you will see on the top bar, a tab that says REQUEST MONEY. Open that sucker up.

4. Put in the email address of the spammer.

4a. Put in the amount. I suggest $50. It gets their attention, but doesn't generally get 'em mad.
Less and they don't think you're serious.

4b. For subject, I generally put "advertising."

5. Under Note, I have something to the general effect of:
I have received unsolicited commercial email from you. You have, deliberately and with intent to make financial gain, invaded my privacy. That is a crime in my State. I am willing to settle the matter with you this week for $50, to be paid to my Paypal account.
If you choose not to settle, I can and will file for damages in my local small claims court. I can and will ask for at least 10 times the settlement amount plus court and collection costs.
All that is required to prove my case in the local court is a printout of your UCE.
While you may have an attorney present, YOUR presence is required by the Small Claims court. Without your presence, I win by default. Your attorney cannot represent you in this court.
When I win the case in Small Claims Court, the judgement (1) is not appealable to any higher court and (2) will be sent to Superior Court for certification.
When the judgement is certified, it will be sent to the Superior Court in your area. Once it is filed with that court, it will be in the Public Records for your area, plus, I will be able to seize your bank accounts and other assets until my judgement is satisfied. Perhaps worse, you will also have to pay for all of this paperwork as a result of the initial judgement.

If you should send addiitonal UCE to me in the future, this will repeat itself.

Yours,
_______

6. Send off the Paypal request.

7. IF the Spammer hasn't paid by Friday afternoon, send them a reminder.

8. If you don't see anything by the following Monday: take followup action!

9. Email me for the followup steps.

I AM NOT A LAWYER OR ATTORNEY. Nor am I a paralegal. I've never claimed to be. [Ben Livingston claimed that I was-- but that was his factual error.]
I had offered to help others in court for a 50/50 split of the proceeds. This was as a co-plaintiff, not representing the plaintiff. I haven't actually been called upon to do this, but I have received dozens of nasty emails about this. The offer is completely revoked!


A few additional notes:
If you live in a major metro area (like, er , Seattle) you don't particularly want to take on a local Spammer. If they DO show up in court, they will still lose, but they can be VERY intimidating!
Do your suit in a small town a few hundred or thousand miles from the Spammer. You want it to be WAY too expensive for them to actually show up.
Unless your goals are way different, all you want is (1) for them to stop sending you UCE and (2) possibly send you some money. Almost anything else is more trouble than it's worth...and don't you have better things to do with most of your life?
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:44 pm

DTW -

Even if the e-mail itself is legitimate, your ISP can verify whether *you* actually sent spam e-mail. The person on the other end may be responding to an e-mail that contained your address but was not sent by you - a spoof.

You did the right thing by forwarding it to your ISP. As far as I know, e-mail notification about court claims isn't valid because there's no way to verify that the document has been received by the respondent.

I think you should also forward the e-mail (with full headers) to PayPal. They will surely be interested in what looks like an attempt at extortion.


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dtwclipper
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RE: New(?) Email Scam

Wed Nov 02, 2005 1:51 pm

Quoting Redngold (Reply 24):
I think you should also forward the e-mail (with full headers) to PayPal. They will surely be interested in what looks like an attempt at extortion.

I already sent it to paypal and my provider.

Quoting Redngold (Reply 24):
Even if the e-mail itself is legitimate, your ISP can verify whether *you* actually sent spam e-mail. The person on the other end may be responding to an e-mail that contained your address but was not sent by you - a spoof.

That is what I thought. Thanks.
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