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Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:07 am

I have closely followed french politics and the immigration policies of the National Front party are exactly the same of the Republican Party here in the U.S. Will many French rally around his party because of these riots ?
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:09 am

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
exactly the same of the Republican Party here in the U.S.

They're for uncontrolled immigration also?
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:11 am

I mean what they officially stand for, not what they do instead.....
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:12 am

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Is he mightier than LeSword? Big grin

I'm with FDX. The republican party has immigration policy  confused 

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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:14 am

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
I have closely followed french politics and the immigration policies of the National Front party are exactly the same of the Republican Party here in the U.S.

Would you post some reference to that position? Show how the platform of the Republican party is the same as that of the French National Party?

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
Will many French rally around his party because of these riots ?

I doubt that the French will rally around much that requires them to change much.
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 5:56 am

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 3):
Is he mightier than LeSword?

Yeah, ok, I'll have to give it to you - that was pretty good.  Smile

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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:01 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
Yeah, ok, I'll have to give it to you - that was pretty good.

Thank you!  praise  Thank you!

I've been waiting for so long for an acknowledgement from MIR  Wink

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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:02 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 4):
Show how the platform of the Republican party is the same as that of the French National Party?

They're very different.

The platform of the former was written by homo-haters who drink beer; that of the latter was written by homo haters who drink wine.

The former have an over the hill blond sexpot at rallies (Bo Derek) who puts on her face before she steps out in public; the latter have an over the hill sexpot (Brigitte Bardot) whose face is way beyond repair.

Lets come up with other differences !
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:04 am

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
Will many French rally around his party because of these riots ?

It seems to me that rallying around Lepen will only make this situation worse. What needs to happen is all these rioters need to be involved in society, which means they need to get work, and right now there is no short or long term hope of that happening.
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:07 am

Le Stylo du serait le chéri du Parti républicain des Etats-Unis.  Sad
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:12 am

Quoting Alberchico (Thread starter):
I have closely followed french politics and the immigration policies of the National Front party are exactly the same of the Republican Party here in the U.S. Will many French rally around his party because of these riots ?

If they did, I would change this flag again

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
It seems to me that rallying around Lepen will only make this situation worse. What needs to happen is all these rioters need to be involved in society, which means they need to get work, and right now there is no short or long term hope of that happening.

Actually, what would really help is people like LePen keeping their mouths shut in the public when making racist comments about LEGAL immigrants. In the US, those comments are kept behind closed doors
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:42 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 8):
What needs to happen is all these rioters need to be involved in society, which means they need to get work,

That should have been done already, not wait for until cities start to go up in flames
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:45 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 11):
That should have been done already, not wait for until cities start to go up in flames

Unemployment in France among those less than 25 years in age is nearing 25%.

Also, the kind of overt institutionalized racism - and sexism - one sees in France in the job market, is something that we in the US haven't witnessed in a long, long time.

All that clap trap about equality trotted out by the French is more often than not a theoretical construct.
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 3):
Is he mightier than LeSword?

Oh geez, that definitely induced a groan... and yet I'm still laughing at it. Big grin

Where do you get your comedic genius? LOL
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 6:58 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 11):
That should have been done already, not wait for until cities start to go up in flames

No sh!t Dick Tracy (in general, not to you specifically). If politics were more proactive and less reactive, the world would be a vastly different, and arguably better, place to live.
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:00 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 13):
Where do you get your comedic genius? LOL

I think I'm going to start a semi-weekly "forum humor tutorial" in non-av. There will be key-note posters, and special projects and exercises that readers can work on in the real world. I think it will be more of a self-help format, because no one can make you be funny, that gift comes from deep within your own sack.

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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:15 am

Alberchico:
Much as I hate what the republican party stands for in this country, there is no comparison between the Front National and the Rebublican Party.

Le Pen used to focus on befriending Holcaust deniers and claiming the French government was being paid off by Jewish Groups. Nowadays, he finds it easier to blame everything on Arab immigrants instead of the Jews. All the same really: he is one of those old-school populist demgogues of the scariest type, spouting out bullshit about maintaining pure French identity which is being, in his eyes, attacked by all sides...

The FN has far more in common with the KKK than with the mainstream Republican party in the US.

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 3):
Is he mightier than LeSword? Big grin

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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:30 am

Quoting N229NW (Reply 16):
The FN has far more in common with the KKK than with the mainstream Republican party in the US.

Wanna guess how the KKK votes in this day & age?
Think they voted for Kerry or Bush?
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:32 am

If this f*cking nazi ba*tard of lepen (without capital letter cause he does not even deserve to have a name) pass the next election we will be a big bunch to rise and throw him out !

That little piece of shit doesn't deserve to be wearing MY colour. BLUE WHITE RED has a meaning ! And this fascist scum is the exact OPPOSITE.

"IT" because i will not anymore use HE to talk about lepen.
It says that the french flag convey what the front national express.
NO IT DOES NOT!

I'm European, I'm French, I vote, I love my country, I love the others too.
People like this scumbag pushed this very same country thru 3 wars and helped the death camp abomination to happen.
I have a memory, i also have historical memory.
Plus jamais ça ! Never again !

So lepen being elected means revolution against him. And we'll see the 6th Republic rising.

In 2002 april the 21th, when lepen reached the second round at presidential election, the army, the universities, the administration etc... They all said they will disobey and paralyse ANY attemp to govern with this cockroach around.

So do not even think of it as a politician but as the scarecrow in France.

I sometimes hear about Europe having no patriotic feelings. Wrong! I'll defend my country from being swallowed by extremist ideas like lepen's.

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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:53 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Wanna guess how the KKK votes in this day & age?

Historically Democratic.
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:05 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 12):
Unemployment in France among those less than 25 years in age is nearing 25%.

Also, the kind of overt institutionalized racism - and sexism - one sees in France in the job market, is something that we in the US haven't witnessed in a long, long time.

All that clap trap about equality trotted out by the French is more often than not a theoretical construct.

Complete agreement from this quarter.....so what solution to the current problem do you see?

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 13):
Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 3):
Is he mightier than LeSword?

Oh geez, that definitely induced a groan... and yet I'm still laughing at it.

Me too.... that was bringing the funny...

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 15):
I think I'm going to start a semi-weekly "forum humor tutorial" in non-av.

OK...as long as you don't plan on any spelling tutorials.....  Wink

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 7):

The platform of the former was written by homo-haters who drink beer; that of the latter was written by homo haters who drink wine.

The former have an over the hill blond sexpot at rallies (Bo Derek) who puts on her face before she steps

As much as I agree with the previous post, I disagree with this one. The party of LePen downplays if not outright denies the Holocaust...they advocate a complete suspension of immigration....and they advocate different status for born French over immigrant French. The Republican party does none of these things and to cast a blanket accusation like that is dishonest.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 17):
Wanna guess how the KKK votes in this day & age?
Think they voted for Kerry or Bush?

OK...so let's play that game....How do you think most anti-semites and terrorist supporters voted? Anything else silly you want to discuss?

Quoting Kyril (Reply 18):
I'm European, I'm French, I vote, I love my country, I love the others too.

You seem to place Europe before France......perhaps a Freudian slip or perhaps not....which is it?

Quoting Kyril (Reply 18):
If this f*cking nazi ba*tard of lepen (without capital letter cause he does not even deserve to have a name) pass the next election we will be a big bunch to rise and throw him out !

Yeah, well thankfully the democratic process worked in a way you approved so you did not feel obligated to raise up in arms against a democratically elected government....like some terrorist would.

I understand your displeasure with LePen.....Hell I enquired about registering to vote (which involved alot of paperwork as legally I am a dual national and a citizen of France if I choose to be, but I am a born American), but it was apparent that he would lose against the center right coalition backed up by the nose holding left.... The point is that you seem to be intolerant of other views but are not offering any rational solutions in place of the irrational. You seem to be like so many of my young cousins friends....angry, demanding of change, willing to march in protest for it, but offering no viable plan of your own and probably on the dole. Do you have a job? Do you add to your nations value? Show something besides angry protestations and be productive.
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:30 am

Quoting Kyril (Reply 18):
If this f*cking nazi ba*tard of lepen (without capital letter cause he does not even deserve to have a name) pass the next election we will be a big bunch to rise and throw him out !

That little piece of shit doesn't deserve to be wearing MY colour. BLUE WHITE RED has a meaning ! And this fascist scum is the exact OPPOSITE.

"IT" because i will not anymore use HE to talk about lepen.
It says that the french flag convey what the front national express.
NO IT DOES NOT!

I'm European, I'm French, I vote, I love my country, I love the others too.
People like this scumbag pushed this very same country thru 3 wars and helped the death camp abomination to happen.
I have a memory, i also have historical memory.
Plus jamais ça ! Never again !

So lepen being elected means revolution against him. And we'll see the 6th Republic rising.

In 2002 april the 21th, when lepen reached the second round at presidential election, the army, the universities, the administration etc... They all said they will disobey and paralyse ANY attemp to govern with this cockroach around.

So do not even think of it as a politician but as the scarecrow in France.

I sometimes hear about Europe having no patriotic feelings. Wrong! I'll defend my country from being swallowed by extremist ideas like lepen's.

Allons enfants de la Patrie, le jour de gloire...

Kyril

So, I'm guessing you don't like him....  Wink

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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:53 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 20):
You seem to place Europe before France......perhaps a Freudian slip or perhaps not....which is it?

In fact I'm Human from Earth, European, and French. Like France part of Europe part of the World.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 20):
Yeah, well thankfully the democratic process worked in a way you approved so you did not feel obligated to raise up in arms against a democratically elected government....like some terrorist would.

Thankfully Democracy remained on the good path that time. Some 60 years ago some countries didn't raise against a democratically installed situation and we had WWII.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 20):
You seem to be like so many of my young cousins friends....angry, demanding of change, willing to march in protest for it, but offering no viable plan of your own and probably on the dole. Do you have a job? Do you add to your nations value? Show something besides angry protestations and be productive.

I contribute to my nation values, participate in associations, have a job, pay taxes and everything. I'm not angry in fact, except that respect to democracy has a limit. Hitler was democratically elected.

I'm not intolerant to other views. Other views that are within humane dignity.

This cockroach is a plague and a danger to human kind, he is as extremist as talibans, but the worse is he's smarter and therefore a lot more dangerous. I respect the stupid vote of some dumb-tv-fed people in his favor as the only way they have to ring the bell. But i can't respect this negationist that qualifyied gas chambers as a detail of history !

It's not displeasure, neither hate against him. It's simply survival instinct.
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:18 pm

Quoting Kyril (Reply 18):
the army, the universities, the administration etc... They all said they will disobey and paralyse ANY attemp to govern with this cockroach around.

Yeah like that's gonna work.That's what a lot of people said about Bush when he narrowly won in 2000, they also threatened to not support his goverment
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:20 pm

Quoting Kyril (Reply 18):
If this f*cking nazi ba*tard of lepen

If he's a Nazi, then how the hell did he make it to the second round? Makes you wonder.............
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Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:26 pm

Quoting Kyril (Reply 22):
Thankfully Democracy remained on the good path that time. Some 60 years ago some countries didn't raise against a democratically installed situation and we had WWII.

I assume you mean Germany.....the problems occured after the Germans allowed Hitler to do away with democracy and become a dictator. Until then there was democracy. Subverted by thugs and murderers, but democracy that had legitimacy through the participation of the governed.

Quoting Kyril (Reply 22):
In fact I'm Human from Earth, European, and French. Like France part of Europe part of the World.

How enlightened of you. I'm certain that your view of things helps keep the interests of your nation secure. I do wonder how your feelings can coexist with the anti-war stance of many who think that removing Saddam was wrong. He was certainly a terrible dictator who subverted his government to his own benefit and caused the deaths of millions in wars and pogroms.

Quoting Kyril (Reply 22):
I'm not intolerant to other views. Other views that are within humane dignity.

OK...so you tolerate other views of which you approve....all others are to be banned..... hmmmm. Sounds familiar....
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:37 pm

Quoting Kyril (Reply 18):
ll defend my country from being swallowed by extremist ideas like lepen's.

Will you defend your country from being burned to the ground by extremist members of your citizenry? Because my fellow earthling, that is staring you square in the face.
 
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Tue Nov 08, 2005 4:37 pm

Just remember, Le Pen is just as good as Le Car... (and older actually)...

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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 12:31 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 25):
OK...so you tolerate other views of which you approve....all others are to be banned..... hmmmm. Sounds familiar....

I deeply disagree with Sarkozy and trully dislike him, but he still is on the democratic side. lepen is NOT ! he wants to use democracy the way hitler did. To gain power legitimately and turn France into dictatorship, with censored libraries, censored movies, modifyied history school books etc etc etc...
I met several people that voted for him in 2002 first round. They voted for him to ring the bell cause of the "usual politic class" being deaph. I think it's stupid and like playing with fire but it's democracy ok. I'll however never ever have a tiny bit of respect for lepen.

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 26):
Will you defend your country from being burned to the ground by extremist members of your citizenry? Because my fellow earthling, that is staring you square in the face.

For now rioters is mostly desocialled youth. I'll defend my country but i don't considers rioters to be enemies but more delinquants. lepen is an enemy. The guys that burn cars in the suburbs are also part of the country and we should do something to solve the roots of these problems and not "expell" them as lepen asked.

I am against the Iraq war as i think it's not the best way to make things change the way Iraqis need. But I always considered saddam as a cruel dictator. For your information lepen consider saddam as a gentle and respectful governor.

Kyril

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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 1:29 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 20):
How do you think most anti-semites and terrorist supporters voted?

George W. Bush.
Now do you want to answer my question?
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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Wed Nov 09, 2005 8:52 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 25):
How enlightened of you. I'm certain that your view of things helps keep the interests of your nation secure. I do wonder how your feelings can coexist with the anti-war stance of many who think that removing Saddam was wrong. He was certainly a terrible dictator who subverted his government to his own benefit and caused the deaths of millions in wars and pogroms.

Not that shit again. Subverting his government to his own benefit and causing the deaths of millions in wars and progroms never stopped any country, including yours, doing business with him. So stop playing that old record.

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RE: Should LePen Make A Comeback?

Thu Nov 10, 2005 4:34 am

Quoting Kyril (Reply 28):
I think it's stupid and like playing with fire but it's democracy ok. I'll however never ever have a tiny bit of respect for lepen.

OK..then we agree. I have zero respect for LePen.....but plenty for democracy.

Quoting Kyril (Reply 28):
The guys that burn cars in the suburbs are also part of the country and we should do something to solve the roots of these problems and not "expell" them as lepen asked.

The guys burning cars in the suburbs do not deserve to be rewarded for their efforts.....else they feel that it is an effective means to engineer change, rather than simply working for it the peaceful ways.

Quoting Kyril (Reply 28):
For your information lepen consider saddam as a gentle and respectful governor.

I never once said I agreed with anything LePen had to say, did I?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 29):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 20):
How do you think most anti-semites and terrorist supporters voted?

George W. Bush.
Now do you want to answer my question?

Oh, horsecrap....that's totally illogical.
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