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Dubai: What's The Attraction?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:24 am

Dubai is probably the most sought after destination on the planet for new property but why? The amount of building work going on there is unreal! Why are so many people attracted to this new oasis?
 
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RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:35 am

Looks like Las Vegas with a nice beach.
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RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:39 am

most people just follow what everyone else does for no other reason but to follow
 
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RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:45 am

Quoting 9VSPO (Thread starter):
Why are so many people attracted to this new oasis?

Let's see:

  • Reachable within 5-6 hours from Europe

  • Only 2 or 3 hours time difference = No jetlag

  • Always warm weather, even in the European winter

  • Luxury hotels for very good fares

  • A great beach

  • A lot of activities to do, e.g. desert safari, a side trip to Oman/Abu Dhabi, the water park, etc.

  • A lot of shopping centers

  • Probably the biggest duty-free shop in the world


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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 5:52 am

    Well it was my first time in DXB back in January. Having spent several years in Libya I told my girlfriend what to expect. Wrong. DXB is more like Florida than the Arab countries I knew. I couldn't even practice my bad Arabic because I didn't meet any Arabs -only Filipinos, Indians ans Pakistanis who were doing all the work. The place is super new - there is nearly nothing over 30 years old there - if you want history / Arab culture - go to Oman. BUT, it's clean, tidy, and SAFE - you can leave your walet on the front seat of your car with the doors unlocked, and it will still be there when you get back. It's high quality tourism; ok it's pretty fake, but it's just far enough away and just expensive enough that it won't become Costa Del Sol part 2. It's safe also in terms of foreigners being welcome, and at no time did I ever get the hint of being worried about terrorists. They are a Muslim country, so you get tourists from Saudi, Kuwait, Iran etc as well as Westerners. It's relaxed and don't worry it's not a "dry" country! Weather wise it's great - lovely to have my feet in the crystal clear blue waters of the Arabian Gulf in January, although you'd want to avoid it from about June thru September - too damn hot. As Dubai only gets about 10% of it's revenue from oil, it has learned the tourist trade well. To me Dubai is a shining example of what an Arab and Muslim country CAN be like. The rest of the region could learn a lot from Dubai. We also had a great time doing the usual tourist things like a desert safari, and I quite enjoyed paying the equivalent of £7 to fill up the tank of our rented Toyota Corrolla. For me  bigthumbsup   bigthumbsup  to Dubai.
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:49 am

    I read somewhere that they were building an archipelago, can anyone confirm that?
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 6:54 am

    You mean Palm Island perhaps? Unfortunately I believe that the wrong combo of foundation materials was used and that the weight of anything over 2 stories makes the property sink. I understand that they are working to resolve it fast. I drove down to have a look at the construction site, and that was the idle gossip, so sorry, no sources for that.
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:01 am

    Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 6):
    You mean Palm Island perhaps? Unfortunately I believe that the wrong combo of foundation materials was used and that the weight of anything over 2 stories makes the property sink. I understand that they are working to resolve it fast. I drove down to have a look at the construction site, and that was the idle gossip, so sorry, no sources for that.

    That could be it, but as I remember it, they were planning on building lots of islands... However, this was a couple of years ago...

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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 8:35 am

    Its a glitzy gilt and marble airconditioned mall loved by all humans who lack taste, and whose charms appear to have no racial, ethnic, or national boundaries.

    Tasteless Indians, Arabs and Chavis (those Chavis who can afford something other than Orlando on Britannia Airways or the Costa del sol on Ryan Air or the equivalent thereof) all love Dubai. Also adored by the nouveau riche from Eastern Europe where they can show off their ill-gotten wealth to the ooohs and aaaaahs of tasteless Indians, Arabs and Chavis (although using the terms tasteless and Chavi together is being redundant).

    Basically Dubai is a hooker with implants wearing lots of expensive diamond jewelry.
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:49 am

    Quoting Jaysit (Reply 8):
    hooker with implants

    There are lots of those in Dubai too....
     
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:03 am

    I've never been but i certainly will be exercising Non-Rev privilages and flying down there sometime in October next year...
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:09 am

    Quoting 9VSPO (Thread starter):
    Dubai is probably the most sought after destination on the planet for new property but why? The amount of building work going on there is unreal! Why are so many people attracted to this new oasis?

    From what I see, you just need someone to build a few nice hotels and a couple of restaurants to get the ball rolling on tourism. Las Vegas is a city in the middle of the desert. Orlando was a giant swamp. If it weren't for the casinos and Disney World, respectively, the only inhabitants of Las Vegas would be a few trailers and Disney World would be home to a few alligators.

    Dubai is smart though. I think they said in about a decade all of their oil (which is/was a huge part of their economy) was going to be gone. They diversified and now they will be OK without oil.

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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:23 am

    been wondering the same. but a killer trip from the usa, no?

    too bad its only appealing to Europeans!
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:29 am

    Quoting Aa757first (Reply 11):
    They diversified and now they will be OK without oil.

    You can't support a country based off tourism unless you have a small population, not a vast metropolis filled with expensive buildings and imported cheap labor
     
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:32 am

    Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 12):
    been wondering the same. but a killer trip from the usa, no?

    You've got that nice convenient EK A345 flight JFK-DXB there for the taking  Wink

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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:35 am

    Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 12):
    but a killer trip from the usa, no?

    Mario, I met more Americans and Canadians than Germans in Dubai, actually I was wondering about that. But then, it is not hard to reach from the USA or Canada, you only have to take an early evening depature in the USA to arrive at CDG/LHR/FRA/AMS on the other morning to get a connecting flight to DXB in the next 2 or so hours. The schedule matches pretty good compared to... let's say...USA-South Africa flights via Europe.

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    Edit:

    Greg is right, I completely forgot the nonstop flight by Emirates!

    Even more comfortable to get nonstop to the UAE from the USA. Big grin

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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:44 am

    Quoting Jaysit (Reply 8):
    Its a glitzy gilt and marble airconditioned mall loved by all humans who lack taste, and whose charms appear to have no racial, ethnic, or national boundaries.

    Tasteless Indians, Arabs and Chavis (those Chavis who can afford something other than Orlando on Britannia Airways or the Costa del sol on Ryan Air or the equivalent thereof) all love Dubai. Also adored by the nouveau riche from Eastern Europe where they can show off their ill-gotten wealth to the ooohs and aaaaahs of tasteless Indians, Arabs and Chavis (although using the terms tasteless and Chavi together is being redundant).

    Basically Dubai is a hooker with implants wearing lots of expensive diamond jewelry.

    Thought this was about Dubai not Vegas  Wink

    Oh and what is a Chavi ? Do you mean a Chav (no i on the end) ?.


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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:58 am

    Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 4):
    if you want history / Arab culture - go to Oman

    What about Egypt? :P It's the hub of the Arab world along with the most amazing collections of history left on the planet.
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 11:04 am

    All kidding aside, Dubai is an excellent vacation spot for adults, with inexpensive accomodations and fantastic nightlife. Plenty to see and do while in the Emirate, with outstanding golf courses and excellent beaches. There are bargains galore to be had if you like gold and jewelry, and as someone mentioned earlier the duty-free is dirt cheap. Ten bucks for a carton of Marlboros or bottle of Absolut. There is a duty-free shop in the arrivals lounge so pick up your booze before you leave the airport, because the bars can be a little expensive on drinks.

    If you only manage to transit Dubai, Emirates passengers with connections of over eight hours are provided a hotel room and transportation, free of charge at the Millenium Hotel (be sure you arrange this before you depart your home country).

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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:36 pm

    Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 4):
    To me Dubai is a shining example of what an Arab and Muslim country CAN be like. The rest of the region could learn a lot from Dubai.

    The exploitation of migrant workers and subsidisation of key industries at the expense of fair competition? Sure, sounds like a wonderful blueprint for development!

    Quoting Jaysit (Reply 8):
    Tasteless Indians, Arabs and Chavis (those Chavis who can afford something other than Orlando on Britannia Airways or the Costa del sol on Ryan Air or the equivalent thereof) all love Dubai. Also adored by the nouveau riche from Eastern Europe where they can show off their ill-gotten wealth to the ooohs and aaaaahs of tasteless Indians, Arabs and Chavis (although using the terms tasteless and Chavi together is being redundant).

    Here here
     
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:48 pm

    Just been there two weeks ago.
    As it has been said, little jetlag, great temperatures during the winter and affordable prices.

    Add to that you are not pestered and harassed by people selling stuff (or by people tout court) like in the Maghreb countries and it becomes a very attractive destination and a worthwhile alternative to other destinations.

    Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 4):
    It's relaxed and don't worry it's not a "dry" country!

    You however cannot drink in public thoug, so ho hanging out on the beach with a beer !

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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:01 pm

    Quoting B744F (Reply 13):
    You can't support a country based off tourism unless you have a small population, not a vast metropolis filled with expensive buildings and imported cheap labor

    Indeed, and this isn't what Dubai is doing. Yes, tourism is important, but they are also moving rapidly up the leagues in banking and free-trade zones.

    Dubai isn't just about (slightly) tacky tourism.
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:18 pm

    Quoting 9VSPO (Thread starter):
    Why are so many people attracted to this new oasis?

    Patrick, pretty much summed it up for you  Wink
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:29 am

    Quoting Scbriml (Reply 21):

    Dubai isn't just about (slightly) tacky tourism.

    But their entire wealth relies upon oil and tourism, without both, there would be no investment opportunities or faux rich people pretending like they are important in a fake city even worse than Vegas

    Quoting Flylondon (Reply 19):
    The exploitation of migrant workers and subsidisation of key industries at the expense of fair competition? Sure, sounds like a wonderful blueprint for development!

    Welcome to the entire world, they're just trying to fit in with the big guys!
     
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:57 am

    Quoting Flylondon (Reply 19):
    The exploitation of migrant workers and subsidisation of key industries at the expense of fair competition? Sure, sounds like a wonderful blueprint for development!

    I second that, migrant workers especially in construction industry are treated like slaves with some having salaries of about $200 per month. It is only now that the Dubai government is doing something to protect the low paid labour and passing laws to encounter inflation. Most of their young local population is only interested in big fancy cars and highly paid jobs with low working hours. If they want to be like New York or Hong Kong in the future they need to make their young generation work hard not to go about in a Mercedes S55 AMG flashing their lights on anyone under the speed limit.

    Quoting B744F (Reply 23):
    Welcome to the entire world, they're just trying to fit in with the big guys!

    It would really be interesting to know how many cities like dubai have their labour paid less than $200 a month?
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:02 am

    THere's potential to make a boatload of money there.....
     
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:46 am

    Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 24):

    It would really be interesting to know how many cities like dubai have their labour paid less than $200 a month?

    Just look to anywhere in Asia, South America, Africa, you get the picture
     
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:56 am

    Quoting B744F (Reply 26):
    Just look to anywhere in Asia, South America, Africa, you get the picture

    I meant cities comparable to dubai.
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:08 pm

    Quoting TUNisia (Reply 17):
    What about Egypt? :P It's the hub of the Arab world along with the most amazing collections of history left on the planet.

    True, but I meant within driving distance / close by. If we're talking about history in general, I would also say that Libya has some amazing ruins - Leptis Magna / Sabratha etc - but this thread was about Dubai.

    Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 24):
    I second that, migrant workers especially in construction industry are treated like slaves with some having salaries of about $200 per month

    As against $50 a month back home. If you think that about Dubai / the Emirates then why the heck do you have Emirates in your username?

    Quoting UTA_flyinghigh (Reply 20):
    You however cannot drink in public thoug, so ho hanging out on the beach with a beer !

    Well I get that all year long here in the Algarve, so I can do without seeing drunken dickheads all over the place too.
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:19 pm

    Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 28):
    As against $50 a month back home. If you think that about Dubai / the Emirates then why the heck do you have Emirates in your username?

    What do you mean by that? Dubai is an emirate but my name is related to the airline emirates b/c we are on an aviation site remember? And please the way I feel about dubai has nothing to do with me keeping its airline as my username.
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:12 am

    what , is Dubai like many Mid East countries, against showing skin of women in public?


    I mean, if its affordable, thats great... more affordable than Vegas, even better!

    But no women?? I'm going back to Vegas!
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:23 am

    Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 29):

    Because Emirates represents Dubai. It is the flag carrier of the Dubai Emirate (not the UAE - technically that is Etihad). Emirates Airline is completely linked with Dubai, and they are proud of it.

    It's like saying you love British Airways, but you hate Britain.
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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:57 am

    Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 3):
    Always warm weather, even in the European winter

    LMAO - Ever been to Dubai? I lived there for a couple years, and let me tell you something about the "warm weather" - it's not warm, it's bloody HOT. Summer is the down time for tourism in Dubai. Check hotel rates in July or August. Check flight prices. That's because when it's 51 degrees Celcius, nobody is on the beach - or even outside for that matter.

    Oh and remember to turn your hot water heater (or "geyser") OFF in the summer - it will allow that red-hot tap water to cool in your apartment during the day!

    Everything else you said is correct though!  bigthumbsup 

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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:01 am

    Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 32):
    LMAO - Ever been to Dubai?

    Twice, but only in October/November and December.

    You're correct, it is simply too hot there in the summer months.

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    RE: Dubai: What's The Attraction?

    Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:41 am

    Quoting Jaysit (Reply 8):
    Its a glitzy gilt and marble airconditioned mall loved by all humans who lack taste, and whose charms appear to have no racial, ethnic, or national boundaries.

    Tasteless Indians, Arabs and Chavis (those Chavis who can afford something other than Orlando on Britannia Airways or the Costa del sol on Ryan Air or the equivalent thereof) all love Dubai. Also adored by the nouveau riche from Eastern Europe where they can show off their ill-gotten wealth to the ooohs and aaaaahs of tasteless Indians, Arabs and Chavis (although using the terms tasteless and Chavi together is being redundant).

    Basically Dubai is a hooker with implants wearing lots of expensive diamond jewelry.

    Bitter, jealous, or both?
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