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Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:14 pm

...and the newspaper industry wonders why circulation is falling?

Saw this in James Taranto's WSJ blog.

"Last week Texas became the latest state to pass a prophylactic measure against same-sex marriage. The ultraliberal Houston Chronicle is unhappy, which is hardly surprising, but we got a chuckle out of the editorial's condescending comments about black voters:

Inner city black voters in Harris County, many of whom have long experience with the denial of civil rights, favored the marriage amendment by an even higher majority than the general Harris County voting population. Black discomfort with homosexual marriage is rooted less in conscious discrimination than in religious belief, but support for the amendment brought blacks into incongruous accord with members of the Ku Klux Klan, whose members rallied in Austin in support of Proposition 2.

So let's see if we have this straight. If you're a person of pallor and you oppose same-sex marriage, you're guilty of "conscious discrimination," whereas if you're black, you're following "religious belief" and presumably discriminating unconsciously. Oh, and does this mean people who favor same-sex marriage are religious unbelievers? Seems to us the Houston Chronicle has just managed to insult pretty much everybody."
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:17 pm

You righties and your blaming the "liberal media" for everything under the sun.

Boring. Lame. Tired.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:18 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
ultraliberal

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:34 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
You righties and your blaming the "liberal media" for everything under the sun.

Boring. Lame. Tired.

Perhaps, but you couldn't resist reading the post, could you?   

Given the continuing struggle we are all engaged in to make sure we eliminate racism in our daily lives, one would think that when the supposedly responsible mainstream media so obviously screws up, that people on the left and the right might be able to agree. Apparently not, however.

Question - if the Washington Times or Wall Street Journal made the same error, would drawing your attention to it be boring, lame and tired, or do you just get incensed when the "other" side screws up?

Not surprising folks aren't interested in addressing how the media can be both condescending and arrogant, though. After all, it might hit too close to home for some....

[Edited 2005-11-16 14:56:51]
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:42 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 3):
Perhaps, but you couldn't resist reading the post, could you?

I barely looked at it, so don't give yourself much credit. Same old bitchfest from the right whenever someone doesn't agree with their agenda.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:55 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
I barely looked at it, so don't give yourself much credit. Same old bitchfest from the right whenever someone doesn't agree with their agenda.

Oh - so mistakes by the media only matter when the right wing media make them?

Quoting Andreas (Reply 2):
Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
ultraliberal


Hey, I'm just the messenger. I do agree that it's a stretch to suggest that the Houston Chronicle is "ultraliberal"

[Edited 2005-11-16 14:59:25]
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:00 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
You righties and your blaming the "liberal media" for everything under the sun

Nope, unlike you lefties we don't blame anyone for anything except being gullible which isn't a crime AFAIK.
We just point out facts which lefties often find uncomfortable because they run counter to everything they believe in.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:14 pm

There's no such thing as 'the liberal media'.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
Nope, unlike you lefties we don't blame anyone for anything except being gullible which isn't a crime AFAIK.
We just point out facts which lefties often find uncomfortable because they run counter to everything they believe in.

Funny that something like that comes from you of all people, someone who doesn't think twice about making things up left and right if it suits your argument.
 
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:52 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):
There's no such thing as 'the liberal media'.

See also:

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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:25 am

The media is not liberal.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:34 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 5):
Oh - so mistakes by the media only matter when the right wing media make them?

Who said that? I'm just tired with people like you always bitching about the "liberal media." It's nasueating.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 5):
Hey, I'm just the messenger.

No you're not. You're a right-wing pawn. You play the game for these clowns who have taught you to hate "liberals" or the "liberal media". Your'e a pawn, not a messenger.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
We just point out facts which lefties often find uncomfortable because they run counter to everything they believe in.

ROTFL. Facts? You mean, like the reason for the war in Iraq. Those kind of "facts". Uh, OK.

We've learned one thing, especially since the early 90's: many conservatives are the biggest bunch of whining crybabies in recent history. When things don't go their way, or when blame is placed on them, they blame the "liberals", or the "liberal media". Nothing is ever their fault.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:39 am

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Inner city black voters in Harris County, many of whom have long experience with the denial of civil rights



Quoting Halls120 (Reply 3):
Given the continuing struggle we are all engaged in to make sure we eliminate racism in our daily lives

Since when are conservatives so concerned about civil rights and eliminating racism?
I find it ironic that conservatives only solicit support from Black voters only to restrict the rights of gays. It's not like Blacks go around beating up and killing gays. I am sure many don't like the idea of gay marriage but it's not like they were going around gathering signatures to put it on the ballot either.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:50 am

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
The ultraliberal Houston Chronicle is unhappy

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

Saying that The Chron is liberal, much less ultraliberal, is about the same as saying that Superfly supports Bush and all his policies or that I think Reagan was the best President of all time! The Chron is conservative even by Texas newspaper standards!

The Chron editorial staff declared itself against the amendment because, "Its presence on the ballot was as unnecessary as it was mean-spirited. Texas law already defines marriage as between a man and a woman, and Texas does not recognize same-sex unions recognized in other states." Moreover, they note that "Supporters argue that the amendment is needed to keep Texas from having to recognize same-sex marriages performed in another state. However, if the U.S. Constitution required Texas to do so before the election, it requires Texas to do so today."

The main point they have is summed up here

Quote:
Not only was there no legal or practical need to elevate current state prohibitions to constitutional writ, but doing so came across as a direct attack on gays and on their struggle for a measure of legal equality. Besides being an embarrassment, the amendment sends the wrong signal to businesses that thrive on intellectual capital and creativity.

Calling the Houston Chronicle liberal is the funniest thing I have heard in a long time. Of course, if anyone actually believes the Chron is liberal, then it is a sad, sad day.

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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:39 am

Are you as incensed about the conservative slant of the WSJ, which probably has a much wider circulation than the "ultraliberal" Houston Chronicle?

Just wondering.
 
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:05 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
Nope, unlike you lefties we don't blame anyone for anything except being gullible which isn't a crime AFAIK.
We just point out facts which lefties often find uncomfortable because they run counter to everything they believe in.



Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Double Standards In The Liberal Media



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 8):
"PAY NO ATTENTION TO THAT MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!"

You're not pointing out facts, you are believing the lie.

The media is as liberal as the conservative big businesses that own them.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:20 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 5):
Oh - so mistakes by the media only matter when the right wing media make them?

Who said that? I'm just tired with people like you always bitching about the "liberal media." It's nasueating.

So, can I take it for granted that the next poster who complains about the "right wing media" will get the same "bored, lame" response from you?

Please go back to my original post. Please show me where I said anything about the "liberal" media. I do believe the only editorial comment I made was in relation to the decline in media circulation in general. The "liberal" label was in the story.

I do admit to objecting to irresponsibility on the part of the media - right or left - and especially when they make an error like the one I highlighted.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
No you're not. You're a right-wing pawn. You play the game for these clowns who have taught you to hate "liberals" or the "liberal media". Your'e a pawn, not a messenger.

I'm curious. When all else fails, do you begin name calling because you've lost interest in the subject matter, or because you think it raises the intellectual discourse of the discussion?

Again - where did I say in my original post ANYTHING about this being the fault of the "liberal media?"

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Since when are conservatives so concerned about civil rights and eliminating racism?

Well, to begin with, I'm not a "conservative." I'm a registered independent who takes "liberal" positions on some issues, "moderate" positions on some issues, and "conservative" positions on others. Perhaps if you weren't so quick to categorize people you'd understand that.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
I find it ironic that conservatives only solicit support from Black voters only to restrict the rights of gays.

Where did it say in the article that conservatives were soliciting anyone to support their views on this issue?

Quoting Texan (Reply 12):
Saying that The Chron is liberal, much less ultraliberal, is about the same as saying that Superfly supports Bush and all his policies or that I think Reagan was the best President of all time! The Chron is conservative even by Texas newspaper standards!

Perhaps you overlooked the fact that it was the WSJ that characterizes the Chronicle as ultraliberal - not me.

Quoting Texan (Reply 12):
The Chron editorial staff declared itself against the amendment because, "Its presence on the ballot was as unnecessary as it was mean-spirited.

I agree. But I notice that their condescending treatment of blacks apparently doesn't matter to you.

Quoting Abefroman329 (Reply 13):
Are you as incensed about the conservative slant of the WSJ, which probably has a much wider circulation than the "ultraliberal" Houston Chronicle?

Ah, when you can't address the wrong in one place, try to distract everyone by looking for wrongdoing somewhere else.

For the record, if the WSJ printed an editorial that was just as condescending as the Chronicle was, I'd take them to task.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:24 am

Yes of course, the "liberal" media

Talk about speaking when you don't know what you're talking about...

So anyone that says anything about some topic you disagree with is an ultaliberal

That's awesome. Continue to show your intelligence.
 
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:28 am

If the media is so liberal, why then do we not hear daily attacks against the Republicans? Why do we not hear news stories against GWB, Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rove, Libby, et al.? If the media is so liberal, why do we hear how rosy life is even though there is a war going on? Oh, that's right... the war is over per GWB. (What is his service record again?) Liberal Media my a$$!! I seem to recall Clinton was attacked continually by the "liberal media."

The conclusion I am led to believe by the posts here is that inner-city Houston favored the amendment more than voters in the suburbs. So what? How does the newspaper know it was Blacks that voted that way? For example: If you have 7 people voting, 3 Black, 3 White and 1 Asian, and 2 Black, 1 White and the Asian vote in favor, does that mean minorities or Blacks overwhelmingly support the vote? It's all spin. Having lived under the Bush regeme, we should be used to spin.....

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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:32 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Perhaps you overlooked the fact that it was the WSJ that characterizes the Chronicle as ultraliberal - not me.

Compared to the WSJ, the Cronicle is probably ultraliberal. When your slant is so extremely right, anything to the left of that, including the middle, is ultraliberal
 
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:49 am

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 14):
You're not pointing out facts, you are believing the lie.

The media is as liberal as the conservative big businesses that own them.

I see now that I made a mistake in titling the tread in the manner I did. So from this point on, can we discuss the thread renamed as "Double Standards in the Media."

Based on that, anyone care to address the condescending attitude of the Chronicle's editorial writers? Or was there nothing wrong with what they said?
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:16 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Perhaps you overlooked the fact that it was the WSJ that characterizes the Chronicle as ultraliberal - not me.

Nope, and sorry if it came off as such. Just making a comparison to something that people here on non-av can more easily relate. And no, their unequal treatment towards different people does perturb me; black people are just as capable as consciously discriminating against a group of people as any other group of people are. It is unfortunately just what we've come to expect from the right-wing stalwart "news"paper in South Texas  Wink

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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:34 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
We just point out facts which lefties often find uncomfortable because they run counter to everything they believe in.

I'd like to know which 'facts' led to the Dutch commitment in Iraq.

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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:37 am

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
except being gullible

Hmmm, gullible... like blindly supporting everything the Bush administration says?

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 6):
We just point out facts

What "facts" would those be, exactly? Knee Jerk Reactions are not facts
 
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 5:50 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
ROTFL. Facts? You mean, like the reason for the war in Iraq.

Holy shit Falcon, read the thread starter. Not everything is about Iraq... Now go freshen up.

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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:05 am

The cry of liberalism in the media stems from the fact that many reporters are of a liberal bent. It also sells papers and generates controversy, which is why the conservative publishers and board members generally allow it. Believe me, the heads of these corporations (newspapers are corporations) will slam the door on liberal reporting if it contradicts their interests.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:12 am

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 24):
Believe me, the heads of these corporations (newspapers are corporations) will slam the door on liberal reporting if it contradicts their interests.

Well said!  bigthumbsup 
What you analyzed requires some thinking and intelligence hence that is why conservatives never understand those facts. The conservatives will believe any and everything Fox news spoon feeds them.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:26 am

Quoting Seb146 (Reply 17):
The conclusion I am led to believe by the posts here is that inner-city Houston favored the amendment more than voters in the suburbs.

That may be a valid conclusion, but not the point I was seeking comment on. It was the Chronicle editor's conclusion that "Black discomfort with homosexual marriage is rooted less in conscious discrimination than in religious belief," suggesting that white opposition was just plain discrimination.

Quoting B744F (Reply 18):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
Perhaps you overlooked the fact that it was the WSJ that characterizes the Chronicle as ultraliberal - not me.

Compared to the WSJ, the Cronicle is probably ultraliberal. When your slant is so extremely right, anything to the left of that, including the middle, is ultraliberal

Still don't get it, I see. And we have another poster who completely ignores commenting on the point I was highlighting - the condescension of the Chronicle editorial writer.....
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1):
You righties and your blaming the "liberal media" for everything under the sun.

Boring. Lame. Tired.

Dude, no it's not. It seems to generate lots of conversation.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
I barely looked at it, so don't give yourself much credit. Same old bitchfest from the right whenever someone doesn't agree with their agenda.

Same could be said for the left....

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 5):
Oh - so mistakes by the media only matter when the right wing media make them?

Obviously. When the left makes a mistake it's a mistake...when the right does so it's a conspiracy. Works the other way around sometimes, too.

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 7):
There's no such thing as 'the liberal media'.

OK...well it's a fact that most of the actual reporters, editors and producers of todays media seem to be liberals in their attitudes, campaign contributions, and private conversations. The feeling is that it definitely impacts their story telling and editorial slant. It shows up when a news outlet that seems to be balanced to some appears to be slanted to others depending on the reception of the listener/reader.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
The media is not liberal.

fact or opinion? If you say fact, then please prove it.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
No you're not. You're a right-wing pawn. You play the game for these clowns who have taught you to hate "liberals" or the "liberal media". Your'e a pawn, not a messenger.

So, if someone has an opinion that differs from yours they are ignorant pawns who can't think for themselves? Why is that? Why does it not apply to you?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 10):
We've learned one thing, especially since the early 90's: many conservatives are the biggest bunch of whining crybabies in recent history.

Fact or opinion? "We've learned"???? Dude, since when do you speak for everyone in this matter?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
Since when are conservatives so concerned about civil rights and eliminating racism?

Since when are they not? Do you cover all conservatives with this statement?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 11):
I find it ironic that conservatives only solicit support from Black voters only to restrict the rights of gays. It's not like Blacks go around beating up and killing gays. I am sure many don't like the idea of gay marriage but it's not like they were going around gathering signatures to put it on the ballot either.

Actually, conservatives seek support from the black segment of our population regularly, unless they simply give up believing, for reasons of past history, that black neighborhoods vote predominantly DEmocrat in spite of the fact that it has not done much good for the last 40 or so years.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 24):
The cry of liberalism in the media stems from the fact that many reporters are of a liberal bent.

You think? I believe that a more significant fact is that the editors are also very liberal and they tend to slant things, consciously or subconsciously, the way they see them.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 6:51 am

OK Halls120, since you don't want to discuss political slant in journalism (despite calling the thread Double Standards In The Liberal Media)

It's a pretty broad leap of logic from:

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Black discomfort with homosexual marriage is rooted less in conscious discrimination than in religious belief

to "blacks are uncomfortable with gay marriage because of religious belief, whites are uncomfortable because of conscious discrimination" and "people who favor same-sex marriage are religious unbelievers." In fact, I personally think it's a classic example of the cart pulling the horse.
 
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:29 am

Quoting Abefroman329 (Reply 28):
OK Halls120, since you don't want to discuss political slant in journalism (despite calling the thread Double Standards In The Liberal Media)

Please see post 19, where I admitted that my choice of the title for this thread was a mistake.

Quoting Abefroman329 (Reply 28):
It's a pretty broad leap of logic from:

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Black discomfort with homosexual marriage is rooted less in conscious discrimination than in religious belief

to "blacks are uncomfortable with gay marriage because of religious belief, whites are uncomfortable because of conscious discrimination"

By all means, keep avoiding the issue. The fact is, the Chronicle f*ed up, and few of our resident liberals want to admit it.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:08 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 29):
By all means, keep avoiding the issue. The fact is, the Chronicle f*ed up, and few of our resident liberals want to admit it.

I admit it! The Chron, an arch-conservative newspaper, messed up. They definitely could have phrased it better. They failed. They have a history of failing here. It is by no means because they are conservative; The New York Times makes mistakes like this as well. The question is why should anyone care if a liberal, or a conservative for that matter, admits that a conservative newspaper, for which none of us on this forum to my knowledge works, in a conservative area of the country made a phrasing error in a story?

Contact the newspaper and ask the author for an admission that he screwed up if you want. I still don't understand why you think that anybody here should admit that a newspaper made a mistake. Maybe it's just me, though.

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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:18 am

Quoting Texan (Reply 30):
I admit it! The Chron, an arch-conservative newspaper, messed up. They definitely could have phrased it better

So far, you stand virtually alone in admitting the obvious.

Quoting Texan (Reply 30):
The New York Times makes mistakes like this as well. The question is why should anyone care if a liberal, or a conservative for that matter, admits that a conservative newspaper, for which none of us on this forum to my knowledge works, in a conservative area of the country made a phrasing error in a story?

So a condescending statement is now just a "phrasing error"?

Quoting Texan (Reply 30):
I still don't understand why you think that anybody here should admit that a newspaper made a mistake. Maybe it's just me, though.

Just a little test on my part. I saw a statement that was so obviously wrong that I wanted to see if people could get beyond their liberal or conservative biases and admit that the editors - people who shape public opinion - f*'ed it up. Sadly, it appears many of us can't.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:40 am

I've been hearing about this liberal media for years, but I just don't see it, and this is coming from someone who wishes the media actually was a bit on the liberal side. I'm still waiting for the domestic press to quit being so forgiving of Bush, but it looks like he's going to get a free pass just like Regan did.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:45 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
So, can I take it for granted that the next poster who complains about the "right wing media" will get the same "bored, lame" response from you?

ROTFL. No one complains much about the "right-wing" media because it isn't serious journalism to begin with-just screaming about the left and rah-rah for the U.S. It's not even taken seriously.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 27):
So, if someone has an opinion that differs from yours they are ignorant pawns who can't think for themselves? Why is that? Why does it not apply to you?

If they're using words like the "liberal media", or crap like that, then yes, they can't think for themselves. It's out of the GOP playbook, when words like "the liberal media", or the "taxa and spend liberals", and the like are used. That's following the lead of others over a well-trodden path.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:40 am

Pffft... some real lame comments on here...

Unfortunately, all too often it seems that if it doesn't come straight from the mouth of Ann Coulter or Bill O'Reilly... it's dismissed as "liberal media"...
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:01 am

I'm not going to touch the liberal-media argument with a ten foot pole but this:

Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Black discomfort with homosexual marriage is rooted less in conscious discrimination than in religious belief,

...is interesting, you have to admit. Frankly if you oppose gay marriage in any form you are a retard, regardless of whether you are black, white, yellow, purple, or whatever. And it's conscious discrimination, no matter how you slice it.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:04 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 35):
Quoting Halls120 (Thread starter):
Black discomfort with homosexual marriage is rooted less in conscious discrimination than in religious belief,

...is interesting, you have to admit. Frankly if you oppose gay marriage in any form you are a retard, regardless of whether you are black, white, yellow, purple, or whatever. And it's conscious discrimination, no matter how you slice it.

The last sentence is exactly the point I wanted to make.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:40 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 27):
fact or opinion? If you say fact, then please prove it.

Fact.
Read up on what liberalism really means and take a look at how the media operates. That should answer your question.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 27):
Since when are they not? Do you cover all conservatives with this statement?

My mistake. You are correct. Conservatives* were very concerned about Civil Rights and did everything they could to block it.


* meaning conservative in ideology thus could apply to both conservative Democrats and Republicans. See southern Democrats which have switched to the GOP today

Quoting DL021 (Reply 27):
Actually, conservatives seek support from the black segment of our population regularly, unless they simply give up believing, for reasons of past history, that black neighborhoods vote predominantly DEmocrat in spite of the fact that it has not done much good for the last 40 or so years.

They only seek support to restrict rights of others such as the GOP lead anti-gay marriage and anti-immigration agenda. Read up on the ugly Propostion 187 and 22 here in California.

Quoting A332 (Reply 34):
Unfortunately, all too often it seems that if it doesn't come straight from the mouth of Ann Coulter or Bill O'Reilly... it's dismissed as "liberal media"...

You are correct. It's sad that our mass media has degenerated down to this level where sick @ssholes like O'Reilly and Coulter can pass as a professional.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:52 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 37):
It's sad that our mass media has degenerated down to this level where sick @ssholes like O'Reilly and Coulter can pass as a professional

Why is O'Reilly a "sick @asshole?" Because his opinion is different from yours?

There are a number of people in the public eye - politicians and media - with whom I do not agree regarding particular stands on issues. I don't think they are @ssholes just because of that difference of opinion....
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 2:54 am

Liberal media? The WSJ editorial board, at least, is conservative.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:01 am

Halls120:
I can respect those who have a different opinion and different outlook but O'Reilly is a jerk. Sorry man but I call it as I see it.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:15 am

FLy...there's a difference between a sick asshole and a jerk. Do you not see the difference in the invective?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 37):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 27):
fact or opinion? If you say fact, then please prove it.

Fact.
Read up on what liberalism really means and take a look at how the media operates. That should answer your question.



Quoting Superfly (Reply 37):
Quoting DL021 (Reply 27):
Since when are they not? Do you cover all conservatives with this statement?

My mistake. You are correct. Conservatives* were very concerned about Civil Rights and did everything they could to block it.

That's funny....wrong but pretty funny...I'm laughing Big grin but shaking my head. You can visualize it..
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:32 am

DIO21:
Someone steel your password or have you given up?
I know you are a capable of engaging in an intelligent discussion with others and expressing your views on things. Do you really buy in to the 'liberal media' myth?
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:34 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 42):
Do you really buy in to the 'liberal media' myth?

Yeah, because you're the authority on the media  Yeah sure. Conservatives will say the media is liberal, and liberals will say it's conservative. Big f&#(ing surprise! Move the hell on!
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:36 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 43):
Conservatives will say the media is liberal, and liberals will say it's conservative. Big f&#(ing surprise! Move the hell on!

Tell that to Halls120. He's the one who started this.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:43 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 44):
Tell that to Halls120. He's the one who started this.

As I said:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 35):
I'm not going to touch the liberal-media argument with a ten foot pole but this:

Now if you want to talk about liberal higher education, then we can talk real numbers  Wink.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:45 am

MaverickM11:
Hey you can "talk" all you want. You are good at that.  Smile
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 7:55 am

Reasons I don't trust the double standard media:

1)Everything wrong with the nation.Blame Bush.
Got a local problem.Blame Bush.Car Trouble.
Blame Bush.Let's take it to the street in Argentina!
If your Democrat.Argentina is a vacation stop.

2)Racism is a one-way street.The media is racist.

3)Left-wing extremists do not exist.

4)In 04' election,media censored John Kerry and
Ted Kennedy's letter of concern to Clinton about Iraq's
WMD's, saying Saddam had them.Then the
media covered up that Clinton bomb Baghdad,
during the election, over inspection of the WMD's.
So Bush lied,so the media said.

5)Political Correction in the Nineties.The low point of
a double standard media.It's works when you are
conservative, for the media to have fun with.Otherwise,
no else paid attention to it or it didn't apply.

6)Blacks/African-Americans or is that republican/democrat
points of viewpoints.This is a good one for discussion.You could
bring in the double standard NAACP on that one.

7)Pro-gay marches.Worldwide front page news coverage.
Anti-gay marches.Very little coverage.(Spain and Atlanta)

These are a few media double standards,in my opinion.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:55 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 40):
Halls120:
I can respect those who have a different opinion and different outlook but O'Reilly is a jerk. Sorry man but I call it as I see it.

I'm not a regular O'Reilly watcher - I've watched him on occasion when channel surfing - but on those occasions when I have watched, I don't see any behavior on his part that would be @ss-hole-ish. What does he do to deserve that description from you?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 44):
Tell that to Halls120. He's the one who started this.

And I've already admitted that I should have left the "liberal" label off the thread title, because it has distracted discussion away from the reason I started the post in the first place.
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RE: Double Standards In The Liberal Media

Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:07 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 42):
DIO21:
Someone steel your password or have you given up?
I know you are a capable of engaging in an intelligent discussion with others and expressing your views on things. Do you really buy in to the 'liberal media' myth?
If the media is liberal then I am a transgendered flight engineer for a AirTran Tu-154.

You are one ugly woman.....and I'd like to know which routes the Tu's are flying.

Seriously, are you trying to tell me the media is not liberal, or simply not as liberal as you are? Because you, my friend, are one of the liberal far left. You are the liberal version of the libertarian. You know I don't say that as an insult either.

The media is run by a group of people who grew up during the counter culture period and for themost part seem to be from the left hand side of the dial. Spend time in the vicinity of any news room or group of reporters and you'll find it's similar to academia. The conservatives are few and far between.

Now, tell me how someone removes their perceptions from their view of the news. Tell me that editors do not slant stories differently than the reporters type them up. Tell me that producers do not put the stories for tv reports together and have talking heads read them (otherwise how would Tailwind and the Rather fiasco have happened?).

The same people who don't think it's important to properly identify weapons by their accurate terms (because nobody cares..all guns are the same...) and allow that to impact their reporting are the ones you don't think allow their personal political preferences to intrude on their coverage. How does the choice of headline, which is fairly subjective, not come from perspective? How is that perspective not impacted by personal ideology?

The media is fairly, or unfairly, liberal. When its actually semi-balanced the far left calls it conservative, because they have little perspective on things and are very unhappy when they see the majority of viewers reject the slant that has been in control for the last 30 or so years begin to change.
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