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Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:06 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051121/ap_on_re_us/charitable_giving_3

The 10 most generous states in the USA, according to the Catalogue of Philanthropy's Generosity Index:

1. Mississippi
2. Arkansas
3. South Dakota
4. Oklahoma
5. Tennessee
6. Alabama
7. Louisiana
8. Utah
9. South Carolina
10. West Virginia.

In the top 10, six of the states are definately Southern, West Virginia is nominally Southern (mid-Atlantic?), and three of the states are Western.

50. New Hampshire

I can't speak for the Western states, but I have no doubt as to why states such as MS, AL and TN top the list: church donations. In the Northeast, which has plenty of Catholics, there's a lot more money (and taxes), which also lowers their overall level of what they could give versus what they do give. Also, it is a fact that black women give, on average, 10% of their incomes to charity, more than any other demographic group. That probably helps explain why Mississippi tops the list. Mormons, in order to have a temple recommend and be the best Mormon that they can be, must contribute 10% of their income to charity, and since the LDS Church is covered under those tax laws, it's not a surprise that Utah's on the list.
 
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:16 pm

I always gave untill the 9/11 AND Katrina thing.

How many people did not get a cent from 9/11?
Katrina had people buying $700.00 pocketbook or what ever it was. I will however always give to the Salvation Army. I don't report my donations at tax time as I feel it's just that a donation. I am willing to bet that alot of people don't report giving also.
 
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:22 pm

Faith is the key. It's not a coincidence that the states with the most church-goers are also among the most generous.
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:23 pm

The article also states that the methodology of the survey is questionable as even if not one single person in Mississippi gave a dime to charity, they would still come out 25th...
 
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Mon Nov 21, 2005 1:39 pm

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 2):


Faith is the key. It's not a coincidence that the states with the most church-goers are also among the most generous.

Because they're giving to their church? Hmmm...nice call, Sherlock.
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:22 pm

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 2):


It's not a coincidence that the states with the most church-goers are also among the most generous

Too bad their minds aren't as open as their pocketbooks.
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:32 pm

Quoting Roger136913 (Reply 1):
Katrina had people buying $700.00 pocketbook or what ever it was. I will however always give to the Salvation Army. I don't report my donations at tax time as I feel it's just that a donation.

Regarding the $700 pocketbooks, stuff like that happens when government is giving away other people's money.

The Salvation Army is one of the lowest overhead, most effective major charities. Much preferable to the Red Cross, which is too much in cahoots with government.

You're just wasting money if you don't report your donations, since they are tax deductible. Why give Leviathan one more cent than it demands?
 
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:03 am

Aren't these states predominantly "red".

Once again it shows the hypocrisy of the liberals. Their mantra is "Giving is good as long as someone else does it."
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:28 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 7):
Aren't these states predominantly "red".

Once again it shows the hypocrisy of the liberals. Their mantra is "Giving is good as long as someone else does it."



Quote:
But a study by the Boston Foundation concluded that the index presents an undeserved image of New England as a region made up of Yankee skinflints.

"If everyone in Massachusetts gave 100 times as much to charity as we do today and everything else remains the same, we wouldn't get above the bottom half of the chart," said David Trueblood, a spokesman for the foundation. "And no matter what Mississippi did, it couldn't fall below 22nd or 23rd."


The foundation proposed an alternate measure of generosity based on each state's share of overall charitable contributions and income, adjusted for differences in taxes and living costs. Using that methodology, Massachusetts' generosity ranking last year would be 11th, instead of 49th.

You did make a valiant effort at trolling, though, and I salute you.

Quoting Roger136913 (Reply 1):
Katrina had people buying $700.00 pocketbook or what ever it was.

That was with the money FEMA gave them. Why screw charities that had nothing to do with it out of your donations?
 
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Tue Nov 22, 2005 12:55 am

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 6):
You're just wasting money if you don't report your donations, since they are tax deductible.

Remember, they're only deductible if you itemize - almost 75% of taxpayers don't.

And even those who do itemize face phase out of itemized deductions above a certain income level.
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Tue Nov 22, 2005 1:23 am

Damn those compassionate red-staters!!!

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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:51 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 10):
Damn those compassionate red-staters!!!

Slider's hit the nail on the head. It's all about compassion for others. I lived the first 26 years of my life (except for college) in southern California, where compassion is pretty much an unknown and unheard of commodity.

I've lived the past 18 years in New Orleans, and when they say people are friendlier and more compassionate in the South, it is so true. Concern for your fellow citizens, no matter where they live, is easy to see in others, and easy to live like, down here.

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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:07 am

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 11):
...in southern California, where compassion is pretty much an unknown and unheard of commodity.

and

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 11):
...when they say people are friendlier and more compassionate in the South, it is so true...

I'm glad you've had such a positive experience in New Orleans, Tom, but your observations are anecdotal. And they are generalizations.

I grew up in Texas and New Mexico, and have spent a good portion of my adult life in Massachusetts. I have met decent, understanding, compassionate people everywhere I have lived. Massachusetts is no exception.

I have also met my share of people who either meant me ill will or who wouldn't lift a finger in time of need.

I think it is ridiculuous to attempt to classify one region of the country as more giving, more compassionate than another.
 
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:18 am

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 12):
your observations are anecdotal. And they are generalizations.

As is true with most if not all national polls, surveys, even elections. I've also met people down here who are total jerks, and people in SoCal who are as generous as can be. But the basic conclusion, or generalization if you will, mentioned in the linked article and my comments, does hold true.

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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 7):
Aren't these states predominantly "red".

Once again it shows the hypocrisy of the liberals. Their mantra is "Giving is good as long as someone else does it."

Aren't you full of it?

Given that blue staters are the biggest donors to the nation via our federal taxes, you're comments are bogus.
States like Massachusetts get less back per capita than what they give out. In fact, MA only gets about 30% back of what it gives to the nation. Mississippi, on the other hand, receives over 400% of what it pays out. In any case, per capita MA ranks the 11th in the nation.
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:32 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 14):
Aren't you full of it?

Given that blue staters are the biggest donors to the nation via our federal taxes, you're comments are bogus.
States like Massachusetts get less back per capita than what they give out. In fact, MA only gets about 30% back of what it gives to the nation. Mississippi, on the other hand, receives over 400% of what it pays out. In any case, per capita MA ranks the 11th in the nation.

Well that explains why liberals want to raise everyone else's taxes - to achieve parity.

But taxes and charity are two different things. I think that their is a saying somewhere that says, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar......"
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:38 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 15):
But taxes and charity are two different things.

Both involve, for lack of a better description, subsidizing the lifestyles of others. Close enough.
 
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:39 am

Quoting MBMBOS (Reply 12):
I think it is ridiculuous to attempt to classify one region of the country as more giving, more compassionate than another.

It does seem a little petty, but I have no problem believing that the Southern and a few Western states have the most generous populaces. A lot of it has to do with heritage, families, and faith.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 14):
Given that blue staters are the biggest donors to the nation via our federal taxes, you're comments are bogus.

Donors? Donors of what? They have no choice in the matter, other than the fact that they don't elect local and state reps to reduce their own taxes, and lobby Congress to reduce income tax rates. Theft is not charity.
 
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Tue Nov 22, 2005 5:41 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 2):
Faith is the key. It's not a coincidence that the states with the most church-goers are also among the most generous.

Nor is it a coincidence that Televangelists live in expensive houses, have chauffers, and wear Italian suits or that the Catholic church harbors practically incomprehensible wealths in Vatican City and then complains about coffers being low after sex-abuse scandals. No, it's no coincidence that the faithful give money - it's where so much of that money goes that boggles the mind.
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:11 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 18):
Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 2):
Faith is the key. It's not a coincidence that the states with the most church-goers are also among the most generous.

Nor is it a coincidence that Televangelists live in expensive houses, have chauffers, and wear Italian suits or that the Catholic church harbors practically incomprehensible wealths in Vatican City and then complains about coffers being low after sex-abuse scandals. No, it's no coincidence that the faithful give money - it's where so much of that money goes that boggles the mind.

John,

While there's certainly some truth to what you've written; in all fairness, there are many churches and outreach organizations that actually do accomplish their intended charitable goals. The reason why most people don't hear too much about them is because their ministry & charitable actions are usually done with little or no fanfare; in A.net terms, they're not being attention whores in the process. Good news usually doesn't make news headlines. Plus, most of the advertising for the charities & outreaches (which can be an expense in and of itself) are usually done within church circles only.

Quoting Pope (Reply 15):
But taxes and charity are two different things. I think that their is a saying somewhere that says, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar......"

Actually, that's what Jesus said to the Pharisees when they were trying to trap Him in His words (in this case, attempting to accuse Him of tax evasion) as a means to arrest Him. The completed phrase (found in Matthew 22:21, Mark 12:17, & Luke 20:25) Then He said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

In a nutshell, while there are deduction allowances & exemptions; charitable giving is never an excuse not to pay one's required taxes.

Back to the topic at hand:

Even though I am a New England native (especially growing up in the Greater Boston/North Shore area); there is sadly a lot of truth to the notion of northeasterners not being as friendly nor as charitable in giving. When my brother & I visited Virginia back in '89; we were both shocked as towards the number of strangers that would say "Hello." to us as we walked by. Where we grew up; that was not just done. Heck, I even noticed a slight difference in people's attitude (outside of Philly) when I moved to Pennsylvania 15 years ago. So the analysis from the Catalogue of Philanthropy's Generosity Index doesn't surprise me at all.

Bold emphasis added:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 14):
Given that blue staters are the biggest donors to the nation via our federal taxes, you're comments are bogus.
States like Massachusetts get less back per capita than what they give out. In fact, MA only gets about 30% back of what it gives to the nation. Mississippi, on the other hand, receives over 400% of what it pays out. In any case, per capita MA ranks the 11th in the nation.

I wonder if that statistic includes what the political hacks receive and/or the Federal money spent on the Big Dig? Or what Boston Herald columnist Howie Carr refers to as The Big Pig.
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Wed Nov 23, 2005 12:32 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 19):
While there's certainly some truth to what you've written; in all fairness, there are many churches and outreach organizations that actually do accomplish their intended charitable goals.

No question about it. But, IMO, the figures cited in this thread are skewed by the donations to the "less-than-legit." That's all I was going for - in my usual abrasive style.  Wink
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RE: Southern US States Are The Most Charitable

Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:14 am

The biggest charity in Mississippi this year is Mississippi State University:

http://www.msstate.edu/web/media/detail.php?id=3244

$56 million for 2004-2005.

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