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Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Thu Nov 24, 2005 4:53 am

Well, there is some common sense in the world. The arbitrator in the T.O. v. Eagles has ruled that the Eagles are well within their rights to keep him inactive.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2234459

Maybe this will give the dude a dose of reality. He's a talented player, but if he doesn't start acting like he's halfway normal, he's flushed all that talent down the commode.

 bigthumbsup  on this decision.
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:59 am

I LOVE this ruling. T.O. can sit on the bench and pout for as long as the Eagles want, and there's not a damn thing he can do about it.  bigthumbsup 

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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:37 pm

Now T.O. really has to think about the question that reporter asked Drew Rosenhaus at that kooky press conferance in T.O.'s yard.

"Drew, you've been T.O.'s agent for five months. What have you done for him besides getting him kicked off the team?"

Drew can say "next question" to the press but If T.O. finally asks that question to his agent, he is going to have to answer. I wonder how many players are lining up to have thier careers destroyed by Drew Rosenhaus?

The problem as I can see it is that Drew is the brains of the operation and T.O. WON'T THINK to ask that question.

It's a pity that such a potent combination as McNabb and T.O. could be destroyed by a guy who has never played on the feild.
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:56 pm

It's great to see a sports organization validated in their stance against an overpayed problem child.

No matter how good T.O. was, is, or will ever be, his attitude and immaturity will never be worth it.

Don't blame his agent. Rosenhouse (sp?) may be a loser, but nobody forced T.O. to greedily demand to increase his $49,000,000.00/7-year contract. Nobody except T.O. himself.

The big question I've been hearing is "What now? Where does T.O. go next?" to which I respond:

"Who cares?"

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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:07 pm

Quoting Gunships (Reply 3):
Don't blame his agent. Rosenhouse (sp?) may be a loser, but nobody forced T.O. to greedily demand to increase his $49,000,000.00/7-year contract. Nobody except T.O. himself.

I have to disagree. When the Super Bowl was over T.O. wasn't demanding more money. T.O. only demanded more money after he fired his original agent and went with Rosenhaus. Drew doesn't get paid unless T.O. gets a new contract. then all of a sudden T.O. wants to renegotiate.

I agree T.O. is stupid. He's too stupid to know when his agent is feeding his head with BS so he can get a payday. Drew hasn't gotten one red cent from T.O. yet.
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:31 pm

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 4):
I have to disagree.

I understand what you're saying, I guess I worded my post wrong.

T.O. wouldn't know a good thing if it bludgeoned him over the head. 49-mil over 7 years...that's not too shabby. Someone may even be able to survive on that...

He fired his agent and signed with Rosenhaus. T.O. put Rosenhaus in the position to influence his minimal thinking. That was my point.

It's really a shame when stupidity and greed get in the way of talent and skill.
 
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:53 pm

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 2):

I couldn't agree more with that ...the reporter who asked the "...what have you done for T.O. besides getting him kicked off the team?", (David Henry of 6 ABC was the reporter apparently), hit the nail right on the head...Im surprised that Drew the douche is still T.O.'s agent, but I agree again that T.O probably isnt smart enough to fire him...

On a related note, I've been watching college basketball on ESPN all night, and on their scrolling ticker of scores and news, they periodically mention that the arbitrator who handled the T.O. case, Richard Bloch, is about to get sacked (no pun intended) by the NFL ASAP at the request of the players association...anyone have more news on it? Although I agree with the ruling, I always thought that it was somewhat of a conflict of interest that Mr. Bloch is a Redskins season ticket holder...

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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:11 pm

I've heard the same, that Gene Upshaw from the player's union is calling for the dismissal of the arbitraitor.

WTF???

Was Mr. Upshaw unaware of who was conducting the arbitration? Perhaps the biggest story currently going on in the NFL player's union and Gene Upshaw (Head of the Union) gets "blind-sided" by the decision?

I don't think so.

Please, Mr. Upshaw, do not send yourself down the same hole that is swallowing T.O. Accept the decision and move on.
 
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Thu Nov 24, 2005 3:13 pm

Good for the arbitrator!  bigthumbsup  This travesty of a greedy football PLAYER (he gets $49M over 7 years to PLAY A GAME) finally gets somewhat of a reality check although, he gets paid for the last few games to sit at home and have Blew Rosenhaus field all the calls from other NFL teams wanting TO...oh wait, that ought to be a VERY long wait for TO as I doubt many teams will want to bring a disruption like TO into their organization....

Hopefully, this will be the last we hear of TO...Good riddance.

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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Thu Nov 24, 2005 9:42 pm

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 2):
Now T.O. really has to think about the question that reporter asked Drew Rosenhaus at that kooky press conferance in T.O.'s yard.

"Drew, you've been T.O.'s agent for five months. What have you done for him besides getting him kicked off the team?"

Drew can say "next question" to the press but If T.O. finally asks that question to his agent, he is going to have to answer. I wonder how many players are lining up to have thier careers destroyed by Drew Rosenhaus?

Perhaps other clients of this idiot will start to realize that they are putting their careers at risk just by being associated with this moron.

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 4):
I have to disagree. When the Super Bowl was over T.O. wasn't demanding more money. T.O. only demanded more money after he fired his original agent and went with Rosenhaus. Drew doesn't get paid unless T.O. gets a new contract. then all of a sudden T.O. wants to renegotiate.

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Quoting Gunships (Reply 7):
I've heard the same, that Gene Upshaw from the player's union is calling for the dismissal of the arbitraitor.

WTF???

I believe the CBA between the NFL and PA gives either party the option of sacking an aribtrator.
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Thu Nov 24, 2005 11:37 pm

They showed him on the news this morning picking up his bags @ ATL (He has a mansion here [it's up for sale, yours for $4.4 million. Has a gym with a full sized basketball court, a lake with a beach and a pavillion. One of the closets in the master bedroom is 500 sq feet {I've seen apartments smaller than that...}]). The rumors have been flying about him joining the Falcons next season (I hope not, as I don't want that showboating troublemaker on the Falcons. Plus I don't think the Georgia Dome is big enough to hold his and Vick's egos.)
 
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Fri Nov 25, 2005 12:19 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 9):
I believe the CBA between the NFL and PA gives either party the option of sacking an aribtrator.

Yeah, I know...it's legal. Petty and childlike, but still legal. I am just amazed that the PA would act shocked, I would think they would have had their "top gun" lined up, especially for something with as much media coverage.
 
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:17 am

He needs the time-out. He needs to sit in the corner with his nose in the wall, thinking about what he needs to do to get his shot at the adult table again.
He's phenomenally talented, and prone to asinine behaviour beyond the normal pale. He'll be able to contribute only after he decides he needs to check the ego and mouth at the door and be part of a team on the field and off.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 10):
The rumors have been flying about him joining the Falcons next season (I hope not, as I don't want that showboating troublemaker on the Falcons. Plus I don't think the Georgia Dome is big enough to hold his and Vick's egos.)

I think he'd have trouble here with the offensive coordinator for starters......
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Fri Nov 25, 2005 1:37 am

Quoting Gunships (Reply 3):
Don't blame his agent. Rosenhouse (sp?) may be a loser, but nobody forced T.O. to greedily demand to increase his $49,000,000.00/7-year contract. Nobody except T.O. himself.

Sure he was greedy, but he has a legitimate case for holding out. The NFL does not have guaranteed contracts. The NFL players association is the weakest of the major pro sports in America. It’s mind boggling how the NFL can not grant the players their wish for lifetime medical insurance or guarantee their contracts. By doing neither, the league leaves the door open for fans to watch “greedy” players like T.O. hold out. IMO players like T.O. are true gladiators in every sense of the word; they risk their neck every Sunday to entertain us, the fans. And when ever a player must legitimately hold out, most fans and the media are quick to call him “greedy” or thinking of himself before the all might team.


Is a T.O. a knucklehead? Sure he is. But at the end of the day I could care less. Football is not some metaphor for life. It’s entertainment. That’s it. It’s only a game! And I find T.O.’s antics entertaining. But even more than that he’s a knucklehead and yet still produces on the field! I never really understood all this T.O. bashing. How is his me-first attitude and big ego different from most NFL quarterbacks or different from most professional athletes in general? Maybe when T.O. does something really detrimental to the team, like taking performance enhancing drugs, or getting arrested off the field, will I then get on the bash T.O. bandwagon.
 
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:14 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 13):
they risk their neck every Sunday to entertain us

Give me a break, they play a game. How do they risk their neck any more than anyone else who gets out of bed and goes to work on a Sunday?

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 13):
Maybe when T.O. does something really detrimental to the team

Don't you think his actions were detrimental? Try pulling some of his stunts at your job and see how much harmony and teamwork it inspires.
 
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Fri Nov 25, 2005 3:25 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 13):
they risk their neck every Sunday to entertain us

Police Officers, Firefighters, etc risk their neck every day to protect us. Maybe we should pay them 49 Million for seven years of service? It would be a better investment.
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:08 am

Quoting Gunships (Reply 14):
Give me a break, they play a game. How do they risk their neck any more than anyone else who gets out of bed and goes to work on a Sunday?

You mean other than participating in the most violent team sport currently in existence? Average NFL career is a little more than three years. Average life expectancy of a NFL player is a little more than 55 years. Yes the temporary economic gains are exceptional but the long term effects on ones body are rarely seen in any other American profession.

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 15):
Police Officers, Firefighters, etc risk their neck every day to protect us. Maybe we should pay them 49 Million for seven years of service? It would be a better investment.

It’s called supply and demand. Only a few develop the physical abilities required of a professional football player, thus they are paid accordingly. Just about anybody can become a cop, firefighter, teacher or what have you, thus they are paid accordingly.
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Look I’m not saying these entertainers deserve our sympathy. All I’m saying is I’m not going to bash anybody, T.O. included for wanting more. Indeed more power to him, I hope he can milk his NFL run for as much as he can.
 
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Fri Nov 25, 2005 4:22 am

Well he can kiss those endorsements goodbye, unless it's starring with Gary Coleman for Cash-n-Carry check cashing store.
 
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Fri Nov 25, 2005 9:24 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 16):
Just about anybody can become a cop, firefighter, teacher or what have you, thus they are paid accordingly.

Not everyone is cut out for these types of jobs.

I agree that any professional sport takes a certain amount of skill. But saying that risking one's neck one day a week for entertainment somehow justifies larges paychecks just doesn't wash.

If supply and demand were part of this, then teachers (which are in short supply) would be getting at least six figure salaries.

The only supply and demand going on here is that players demand big bucks and the teams supply it to them.
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:16 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 16):
I hope he can milk his NFL run for as much as he can.

I think that cow may be drying up already...
 
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Sat Nov 26, 2005 3:40 am



Just say no to TO.
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Sat Nov 26, 2005 8:06 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 13):
Sure he was greedy, but he has a legitimate case for holding out. The NFL does not have guaranteed contracts. The NFL players association is the weakest of the major pro sports in America. It’s mind boggling how the NFL can not grant the players their wish for lifetime medical insurance or guarantee their contracts.

Guaranteed contracts is what is wrong with the MLB. Why should someone who cannot perform anymore get paid? Perfect example is Jeff Bagwell with the Houston Astros. He makes 17 million a year and he cannot even throw the ball.

NFL players get large signing bonuses in place of guaranteed contracts. He signed a contract and now does not want to fullfill it. He has no legitimate case whatsoever to hold out.
 
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:48 am

Quoting CoRocks (Reply 21):
He has no legitimate case whatsoever to hold out.

Sure he does...he's legitimately greedy, legitimately spoiled, legitimately selfish...
 
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:41 am

Quoting CoRocks (Reply 21):
Why should someone who cannot perform anymore get paid?

Is it not wrong that NFL coaches have their contracts guaranteed but NFL players do not?
 
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RE: Arbitrator: No No To T.O.

Sun Nov 27, 2005 1:11 am

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 23):
Is it not wrong that NFL coaches have their contracts guaranteed but NFL players do not?

I don't think it is wrong at all. Because:

1) Coaches don't normally get a signing bonus
2) As far as I know, there is no coaches union = less costly to deal with
3) The coach is way more important than any given player on the team
4) Coaches don't usually make as much as the top players
5) Coaches never hold-out

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