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Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:27 am

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/11/...8/congressman.shouse.ap/index.html

I don't think it's because he was a republican. This crap is rampant across the board.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:29 am

I recognize his face from the History Channel, but maybe I am wrong. I believe he was an F-4 Ace in Vietnam? It's a shame to see a man that was once held so highly fall into the ranks of a criminal.

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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:33 am

I think he was the first all-missile ace. I saw the press conference. He seems really sorry he got caught.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:42 am

This sucks....Duke Cunningham was a hero for his flying exploits.

Too bad he turned out to be human, and possessed of less integrity than what we want to expect from our public servants.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:44 am

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 2):
He seems really sorry he got caught.

 checkmark 

Not remorseful about being a criminal, just being a criminal that got caught with his hands in the proverbial cookie jar.

No sympathy.

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
I don't think it's because he was a republican. This crap is rampant across the board.

I would agree . . . but I wonder, LHMark, how many replies will go by until someone throws the uber-partisan flag in the air? Any bets?
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 6:53 am

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 2):
really sorry he got caught

Unfortunately you nailed it - not sorry he did it, just sorry he got caught doing it.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
how many replies will go by until someone throws the uber-partisan flag in the air?

Hopefully no one will, both sides have more than their share - anyone remember Dan Rostenkowski (off the top of my head).
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:01 am

Good riddance!

I remember watching his foolish rants on TV when I used to live in SoCal. What ever honor he may have had in the past was lost when he became a partisan hack in Washington.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:03 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 5):
Hopefully no one will, both sides have more than their share - anyone remember Dan Rostenkowski (off the top of my head).

Yes . . . (D-IL) . . . part of the Daley (no, the other Daley) machine. Crooked from the word go . . . crooked as long as I can remember . . . he finally got his . . .
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:10 am

Another crooked Republican in San Diego... what else is new?
 
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 7:30 am

Another crooked politician of any stripe...

This isn't indicative of any party- they ALL ingratiate their own lives through their positions, the graft is rampant. That doesn't excuse Cunningham, it just tells me we need 434 other investigations.
 
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:12 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 9):
it just tells me we need 434 other investigations.

Would agree to investigate:
TED POE
JOHN CULBERSON
KEVIN BRADY
AL GREEN
MICHAEL T. MCCAUL
RON PAUL
SHEILA JACKSON LEE
TOM DELAY
GENE GREEN
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:17 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
how many replies will go by until someone throws the uber-partisan flag in the air?

Replies #6 and #8.

That said, Cunningham broke the law and regardless of whether or not he was sorry for doing it or just getting caught, at least he did the right thing and resigned from Congress.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:20 am

 redflag 

My post was not accusing the Republican party. My post never indicated that Cunningham's actions were indicative of his party.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:41 am

Duke-Stir, you're doing a heckuva job! *

*Level Red partisan statement.
 
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 8:50 am

What a shame, such a highly decorated individual going out like that.

Quoting Slider (Reply 9):

This isn't indicative of any party- they ALL ingratiate their own lives through their positions, the graft is rampant. That doesn't excuse Cunningham, it just tells me we need 434 other investigations.

 checkmark 

www.house.gov
www.senate.gov

Pick a name, your guaranteed to find something incriminating.  Yeah sure
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:09 am

Which Republican will be the next to fall?

My money's on Rep. Bob Ney, Republican from Ohio. Involved in one of Jack Abramoff's many schemes, seems he received a bunch of free golf trips in exchange for congressional intervention in a casino deal...Tut-tut. Wonder if he ever bumped into Rep. Tom Delay, Republican from Texas, another frequent Abramoff golf partner.

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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:17 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
AL GREEN

Hey, what did the Reverend do? He's a great singer!
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:22 am

Dan-Air we can always count on you huh . . . .  sarcastic 

What a waste of bandwidth.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:23 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
Hey, what did the Reverend do? He's a great singer!

Well he did cheat on his wife!
LOL!  Silly


There is a Congressman from Houston named Al Green.
I just named off a few Congressman from Slider's area.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:31 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
Dan-Air we can always count on you huh . . . .

What a waste of bandwidth.

Let's all play I'm-an-independent-now-the-Republicans-have-been-revealed-to-be-the-corrupt-SOB's-they-always-were game, shall we?

Sorry, I'm not playing. If there's a thread started about corrupt Republicans in the future, maybe you should avoid it.
 
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:58 am

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 19):
Sorry, I'm not playing. If there's a thread started about corrupt Republicans in the future, maybe you should avoid it.

Maybe you shouldn't always be the ultrapartisan left winger you always are and partipate in a thread in the spirit in which it was begun. That'd be a hoot now wouldn't it.

I say again:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
Dan-Air we can always count on you huh . . . .  sarcastic 

What a waste of bandwidth.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:17 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 20):
Maybe you shouldn't always be the ultrapartisan left winger you always are

That's not a problem for me. The fact is the Republican house of cards is crumbling fast, and I've got the popcorn on the stove. Cheers!

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
I don't think it's because he was a republican. This crap is rampant across the board.

Where did you get the idea this was going to be non-partisan? Surely not from the thread starter.

I disagree with LHMark - it's everything to do with him being a republican. Cunningham was brought down by his own arrogance - taking millions in bribes as an elected official. M-I-L-L-I-O-N-S. He assumed he'd get away with it, in the same way that Delay thinks he'll escape one more time.

Politics is partisan. If you don't like it, play another wordgame.
 
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:38 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 10):
Would agree to investigate:
TED POE
JOHN CULBERSON
KEVIN BRADY
AL GREEN
MICHAEL T. MCCAUL
RON PAUL
SHEILA JACKSON LEE
TOM DELAY
GENE GREEN

That's a start, although you're still 425 shy.

Oh, and Brady just got a DUI up in South Dakota at his college homecoming.

Don't get me started on Sheila. ron Paul may be the most virtuous of the group. Delay's already been exposed.

Next!
 
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:52 am

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 21):

I disagree with LHMark - it's everything to do with him being a republican. Cunningham was brought down by his own arrogance - taking millions in bribes as an elected official. M-I-L-L-I-O-N-S. He assumed he'd get away with it, in the same way that Delay thinks he'll escape one more time.

Utter horseshit. It has to do with him being crooked . . . .

Democrats get brought down the same way . . . . as was mentioned above - does Rostenkowski ring a bell? And the only reason Teddy (Mr. Chappequidick) isn't roasting in jail is because he already HAS millions.

We could turn this entire thread into the partisan bitch fest you would enjoy, but it wouldn't do anything to advance the thread . . . is obviously your goal.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:53 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 9):
That doesn't excuse Cunningham, it just tells me we need 434 other investigations.

Amen!

So he resigns after admitting to accepting a minimum of $2.4 million in bribes. He faces up to 10 years in prison for betraying his constituents and his country. He and every other official who accepts bribe money should face a minimum of 25 years and a maximum of life in prison. In failing to represent the people of the United States and putting their allegiance to other interests, they are committing treason.

I also agree that this is not just a Republican problem, it is a problem across the board. Once again I'll put forward a suggestion for public financing of campaigns, limiting the amount of money any candidate can spend, and putting strict penalties in place for anybody who takes bribes.

One dirty, filthy, scumbag down, the rest of Congress to go.

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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:09 am

Dan-Air, I'm a pretty liberal guy, and I have to admit that I enjoy watching self-righteous neocons drop, but I really don't see the signature of ideology in Randy's crimes.

I think the temptation to arrogance and abuse is something any elected official has to deal with to some degree, and that goes from the chump on the school board all the way up to the top. As this offcial gains more power, the temptation grows. This guy could move mountains with a pen. And, like other "invincibles" before him, he let it go to his head and his wallet.

This shit happens on every level of politics, even levels so low that party affiliation barely factors in after Election Day. Some people are just wired that way, they feel they deserve all that they can take, and all too often it's this internal type "A" personality shit that makes them veer away from public service and into theft.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:42 am

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 25):
Dan-Air, I'm a pretty liberal guy, and I have to admit that I enjoy watching self-righteous neocons drop, but I really don't see the signature of ideology in Randy's crimes.

Look at the record. Republicans run on socially-divisive wedge issues and tax-cuts, and once installed in office hand out favors left and right to their well-heeled backers.

Certain Democrats are guilty of this also, but not to the degree Cunningham was, or the other Republicans that are likely to succumb to a similar fate as the Abramoff scandal unfolds.

Money changes hands, a few golf outings are arranged, the corporate jet is made available - it all goes downhill from there.
 
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:46 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 23):
Rostenkowski ring a bell? And the only reason Teddy (Mr. Chappequidick) isn't roasting in jail is because he already HAS millions.

Yeah, yeah and Bill Clinton got a BJ from someone other than his wife. Germane to the topic at hand? I think not. Horseshit yourself. The topic is rampant corruption as practised by Republicans in 2005. Bring some dirt to the table or get going on Wordgame #897.
 
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:01 pm

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 27):
The topic is rampant corruption as practised by Republicans in 2005

No, that's just what you want it to hijack it to. The topic is Randy Cunningham going from hero to crook. And just a suggestion, before you get too comfortable on your high horse, read the following Democrats Also Got Tribal Donations

Oh, and before you try to paint me with the same brush as ANC and some of the other conservatives on here, I loathe the current Republican regime and get a warm feeling every time I see one of then fall. But people like you (and your kindred on the right) are the reason this board is going to hell. There's no discussion left, just a constant attempt by the two polar extremes to hijack every thread to promote their narrow extremist views. Learn to look at the world with a broader view and you'll be both a happier person and a better contributor.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:24 pm

I think this kind of corruption argues in favor of term limits. Too many politicians become entrenched for years, with ever increasing funding, power, and arrogance. The funding and power advantages they gain make it difficult to unseat them until a scandal occurs. Perhaps real term limits would help to level the playing field and encourage more candidates with specific, positive goals, rather than just returning the same rich, greedy fat cats to Washington over and over again.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:32 pm

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 26):
Look at the record. Republicans run on socially-divisive wedge issues and tax-cuts, and once installed in office hand out favors left and right to their well-heeled backers.

Dan-air,

The Democrats do the exact same damn thing. Nearly every politician "hands out favors left and right to their well-heeled backers," no matter the party affiliation. If you think the Dems are not guilty of this, then you are completely blind. Just because it was not a Dem that was caught this time does not mean that it will not be a Dem next time. In fact, the last Congressman I remember having to resign because of criminal activity was a Democrat from Cleveland. Every member of Congress is in the grips of special interest groups; there is no difference between the parties in this regard. Stop pretending the Dems are innocent. As a very liberal guy who has worked on a couple of campaigns, let me assure you that they are not.

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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:35 pm

At least when this idiot got caught, he admitted he did the alleged acts, is pleading guilty, willing to pay the fines and other price for his crimes. I just hope it would put the fear into other Congressmembers, Demo or Republican, to be more careful and not put themselves at risk of invesigation and conviction.
 
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:35 pm

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 27):
The topic is rampant corruption as practised by Republicans in 2005.

 redflag  No, that's what you want it to be . . . thread diversion  redflag .

Your ultra partisan bull is still a waste of bandwidth.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:24 pm

I thought this was a pretty big story. As did just about every other major newspaper, from what I can tell. Except The Dallas Morning "News". There is a small little blurb on the front page right under today's weather forecast and a blurb about Jason Terry's great performance to lift the Mavs over the Raptors, which is really not that big of an accomplishment, that states that there is a story about it back on page 6A. Instead on the front page we have articles about a guy who has bought most of downtown Martindale, Texas (I don't even know where that is and I've lived here my entire life); gas prices retreating below $2.00/gallon across the Metroplex; Michael Irvin claiming the crack pipe in his car was his brother's; Bush's border patrol plan; and a story about Shiite police slaughtering rivals in Iraq. I understand the last two being front page articles; they are extremely important and relevant. No arguments about those. But who really cares about a guy speculating in real estate in Martindale or Irvin's crack pipe? Yeah, gas prices retreating below $2.00 is fine and dandy, but that belongs in a small blurb on the side of the paper, directing you to the business section. Are all of these things really more important than Duke Cunningham's betrayal of his constituents and the country? Or the toppling of Canada's government, which is tucked way back on page 13? I guess so.

Ok, anti-DMN rant over.

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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:17 pm

Quoting Texan (Reply 30):
Stop pretending the Dems are innocent

Never have. My biggest beef is the amount of money and influence-peddling in politics. Get it out. And yes I know they "all do it" - well they don't all do it to the extent the current crop of Republicans have pushed it. I'll respect your experience in campaigns and accept that some Democrats are guilty of the same or similar offencses. I haven't heard about too many living on boats provided by grateful recipients of defense contracts, or taking $750,000 over market price on their homes. Or dumping all their stock in the family firm right before it nosedives (Frist, Bush). Republicans are the target-rich enviormnent for this stuff right now. Feel free to publish details of Dem. corruption though, I won't be offended - kick all the corrupt SOB's to the kerb.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 28):
But people like you (and your kindred on the right) are the reason this board is going to hell. There's no discussion left, just a constant attempt by the two polar extremes to hijack every thread to promote their narrow extremist views.

Listen - the non pushback posts I have made in this thread are composed of FACTS. If it was conjecture or idle name-calling, you might have a point.
 
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:49 pm

Its November 29, 9:48 AM.

Any GOP officials getting indicted or convicted today?

Me bad.

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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:59 pm

All this goes to show is that you can be great at one thing, and just suck at another. My impression is that he was not that great of a Congressman besides being a crooked one. Hence the truth in Dirty Harry's statement, "A man's got to know his limitations". I hate to see him get jail time, he is a bonafide war hero, but with the amount of money involved it would only be fair.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:30 am

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 25):
but I really don't see the signature of ideology in Randy's crimes.

Me neither- just the signature of stupidity and hubris.

Quoting Dvk (Reply 29):
I think this kind of corruption argues in favor of term limits.

EXACTLY!!!

We NEED term limits in this country. More than any other singular step out there, this would remove the extent and frequency of corruption. Don't let the bastards get entrenched. Once they do, their war chests become immense, and then incumbents get re-elected almost automatically.

Quoting Dan-Air (Reply 34):
My biggest beef is the amount of money and influence-peddling in politics. Get it out. And yes I know they "all do it" - well they don't all do it to the extent the current crop of Republicans have pushed it.

You're right about the money, but way off base if you think that this current Republican crop has been the blockbuster....these ones have just been dumb enought to get caught. Besides, that knife cuts both ways. Traficant ring a bell? How about Torricelli? Hell, we could go on all day long, but it ultimately comes down to the lemmings on both sides of the aisle who keep electing these morons, then re-elect them, and don't hold them accountable. More reason to have term limits.
 
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:35 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 37):
Quoting Dvk (Reply 29):
I think this kind of corruption argues in favor of term limits.

EXACTLY!!!

We NEED term limits in this country. More than any other singular step out there, this would remove the extent and frequency of corruption. Don't let the bastards get entrenched. Once they do, their war chests become immense, and then incumbents get re-elected almost automatically.

Wasn't that the rallying cry of the Freshman class of 1994, those dirty liars who as part of Newt Gingrich's Contract on America, conveniently forgot their promises and became part of Tom DeLay's tightly controlled cabal in Congress? (By the way, those guys are still there !)

Besides, who's to say that term limits would prevent corruption of the Cunningham-Traficant variety?
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:40 am

I love this one:
House Ethics rules say that any lawmaker convicted of a felony no longer should vote or participate in committee work.


Right! Forbid them to work, deny their constituents any representation, but allow them to collect full pay and benefits.

But what would the US House of Representatives know about ethics in the first place?

If he does go to jail it will probably be at the "country club" prison at Maxwell AFB Alabama which looks just like any other suburban neighborhood with golf courses and shopping centers. (I'ts okay - he'll have his full pay) The only thing he won't be allowed to do is leave. (unless he gets permission)
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:50 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 37):
Traficant ring a bell? How about Torricelli

Ah yes, Traficant - Wonder if they allowed him to keep his birds nest toupe on in the can? He was a certifiable nutcase. The Torch was busted for taking $3500 - and you forgot Cynthia McKinney who apparently received $13,500. Let's go back to Rostenkowski - his heinous crime was misusing the congressional mail privilege as I recall.

Small potatoes compared with the "Duke". I did see him on TV last night, and while I kinda feel sorry for the guy, him being a war hero at 63 years old facing jail time.
 
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:29 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 38):
Besides, who's to say that term limits would prevent corruption of the Cunningham-Traficant variety?

Good point- you can't say for certain, but the opportunity would be diminished I believe. There's less damage one could do in 6-8 years rather than 20-30.

In Traficant and Cunningham's case, the relationships they exploited might not have existed had their political career been forcefully shorter.

And Dan- corruption is corruption, whether it's stealing a postage stamp or a few dollars or a lot. Certainly, Cunningham's crime is much larger, but I'm not going to condone ANY stealing or criminal or unethical behavior, and certainly not going to spin it based on party affiliation as you seem to be attempting to do.
 
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:36 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 22):
Oh, and Brady just got a DUI up in South Dakota at his college homecoming.

And why wasn’t that a big deal sucking national media spotlights?

Because the guy clearly stated "I did the crime." That takes a backbone. No pussy footing around the issue, no BS, no saying *well, the cop had it out for me*

None of that crap.

I don't have strong feelings for Rep. Brady either way even though I met the guy several times, but what he said to the media about that dooey was truly a class act. Heck, he got pulled over in a rental car with a bum tail light something like 100 yards from the hotel he was staying at. Oh well.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Wed Nov 30, 2005 4:16 am

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 42):
Because the guy clearly stated "I did the crime."

Well, faced with an eight-lane paper trail on the money, I guess he recognized Come-to-Jesus time. I'd have been impressed if he'd confessed BEFORE there was an investigation.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:44 am

So now who is representing his district if he resigned from congress? Wouldn't they need some sort of special election to elect a new congressman?

I hope this guy gets serious jail time, war veteran or not. He commited a serious crime in betraying his constituents. This is supposed to be a democracy.

Did anybody notice Tom DeLay's comments on this?

"Duke Cunningham is a hero," DeLay said during a press briefing Tuesday. "He is an honorable man of high integrity."

He would know huh...
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:20 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 12):
My post never indicated that Cunningham's actions were indicative of his party.

So Democrats are immune from corruption.. Please elaborate, oh great one.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:26 am

Quoting CaptOveur (Reply 45):
So Democrats are immune from corruption.. Please elaborate, oh great one.

No one ever said that. Stop putting words in my mouth.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:35 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 46):
No one ever said that.

You said the only people needing investigating were Republicans. That is what it sounded like to me.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Wed Nov 30, 2005 2:58 pm

Quoting Slider (Reply 37):
We NEED term limits in this country.

Term limits can be applied as follows: Congressman=2years, President=4years, Senator=6years. You can vote in a new person at each and every one of those intervals if you want too. Why, if I have a good represenative, should he or she be forced out of office because another district/state is to weak to vote out their loser?

Quoting Slider (Reply 37):
and don't hold them accountable.

I think Mr. Cunningham is going to be held responsible the way he, and any other usurper of the public trust should be, in a court of law.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 39):
Right! Forbid them to work, deny their constituents any representation, but allow them to collect full pay and benefits.



Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 44):
So now who is representing his district if he resigned from congress? Wouldn't they need some sort of special election to elect a new congressman?

The Constitution says: "When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies."
From Wikipedia:
"A writ of election is a writ issued by the government ordering the holding of a special election for a governmental office. In the United States, this writ is issued mainly by state governors for filling vacancies in the United States House of Representatives or the states' own legislatures.
Also, from the story:
"Cunningham, an eight-term Republican congressman, had already announced in July that he would not seek re-election next year."
Seems like a big waste of money, I wonder why the founding fathers didn't just allow the Governor to appoint someone to fill out the term?
Also from the Constitution:
"The House members shall choose their speaker and shall have sole power over impeachment."
If he doesn't resign his seat it will be taken from him. His pay and benefits will end at that point.
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RE: Randy Cunningham- From Fighter Ace To Crook

Wed Nov 30, 2005 3:52 pm

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 48):
I wonder why the founding fathers didn't just allow the Governor to appoint someone to fill out the term?

Because originally the House was the chamber of the people - with the Representatives being directly elected. Thus when an opening occured, the rational was that the people should select the replacement. Conversly, since the Legislature of each State appointed that State's Senators, when a Senator needed replacing, he was appointed vs. elected.

As for the ex-Congressman, he has resigned from office, so his pay and benefits are terminated (though I'd imagine he probably has some sort of retirement).
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