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The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:58 am

$5 says he hires Rebecca.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:22 am

1.5mil cadet57 doesnt watch it...  Smile sorry, but i hate that show, well that and all reality shows....
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:46 am

I am thinking he might do something out of the ordinary and actually hire both!
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:52 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 2):
I am thinking he might do something out of the ordinary and actually hire both!

i was thinking that myself. after all they keep saying that he has one final surprise.

then in that case i get to keep my $5.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:05 pm

Think about it he needs to create a buzz and capture people to watch next year. Also this was the first year he fired 4 people all at once! Last year he did 2 at the same time.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:31 pm

i'm voting for both of them to be hired.. they both have done very very well. as said he'll probably do something to keep ratings up... he let 2 people go a few times and 4 people at once...
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:05 pm

looks like he was considering it. and then Randal blew it. what a team player.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:06 pm

He hired Randal, then asked him if he (Randal) thought he should hire Rebecca as well...and Randal said no, that it's the ApprentiCE and that there should only be one.
 
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:08 pm

In the end, I think the better candidate was hired. That said, when the Donald asked Randal if he would have hired Rebecca, and he said, basically, that this is the apprentice, not the apprenti, I think Randal made himself out to be a complete asshole. This is just the sort of thing that makes me hate capitalism. For God's sake, there's room for everyone who's truly qualified, isn't there?

I wish Trump had stood up and changed his mind right then and there and made Randal look like the asshole he is.

If I had won, and Donald asked me that question, especially of such a worthy opponent, I would have said "I'd hire her in a heartbeat."

Fuck Capitalism - it makes assholes of all of us. The purveyors and the consumers.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:15 pm

After seeing that ending, any and all respect I had accumulated for Randall in the course of the season is gone. Both he and Rebecca had to overcome tremendous obstacles and had he made a case for her, I think Trump would have hired both of them. Both were stellar candidates, perhaps the best final 2 since I started watching the series. Had I been Trump, I would have hired both in a heartbeat and not even left the matter up to Randall.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:22 pm

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 9):
After seeing that ending, any and all respect I had accumulated for Randall in the course of the season is gone.



Quoting Logan22L (Reply 8):

I wish Trump had stood up and changed his mind right then and there and made Randal look like the asshole he is.

i agree with you both. used to be a Randal fan. not so much anymore. apparently The Apprentice winner from this season will be making an appearance in St. Louis sometime in the next few months. if so, i will have words.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 1:55 pm

I was thinking another way would have been for Rebecca to become Randal's "apprentice" so he could have gotten the win but she could still be involved.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:17 pm

I wonder if Trump will change his mind and hire her anyway for his development project.

Quoting J_Hallgren (Reply 11):
I was thinking another way would have been for Rebecca to become Randal's "apprentice" so he could have gotten the win but she could still be involved.

Good idea.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:22 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 10):
if so, i will have words

Make sure you wear an Abbie Hoffman T-shirt, and flip him the bird for me at least once. Assholes like that need to end up destitute and bereft of what little bit of soul they ever had. Fucking Capitalists. Makes me want to puke blood.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:32 pm

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 13):
Make sure you wear an Abbie Hoffman T-shirt, and flip him the bird for me at least once.

Grace Slick would be proud.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 2:33 pm

eww.


any godwill i had for randall was gone in a second. i cannot believe he said no to having trump hire rebecca. i mean it was obvious randall was choice #1 and thus THE apprentice and rebecca would have been hired ONLY BECAUSE randall allowed it--which would have done much more for randalls image.

but no, he had to go a be a dick about it all.
 
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:21 pm

I thought rebecca would get it, however I dont fault Randall(sp?) for saying no if he didnt believe she was as capable as him. I actually commend him on having the balls to go against the grain. I also believe he will hire her if he wants to bottom line, Trump is going to take orders from this guy.
 
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:31 pm

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 13):
Make sure you wear an Abbie Hoffman T-shirt, and flip him the bird for me at least once. Assholes like that need to end up destitute and bereft of what little bit of soul they ever had. Fucking Capitalists. Makes me want to puke blood.

Whoa!.. ouch... jeez Logan,

I've seen a lotta of your post, and agreed with 98%... but hold on here.

Capitalism is not what it was when there we fiefdoms and the days of John D. Rockefeller (when they barged in and took your sh*t). It's a bit more just these days but still is about competition. If if we were like Old School Russia and all US carriers were like the old Aeroflot-- bland, no such thing as travellers rights,non-channels for passenger complaints/relations. And inflight service was unspeakable. Now just spread that model to every business concept in America.. what a doldrum/ho hum existence! Capitalism makes life anybody's game. Those that don't have can search and search til that find that nary crevice that breaks them thru... and it makes all the suffering worth while once you get there.

An egalitarian society would be totally ideal.. but the problem is people. When you have too many that have no sense of value, no sense of worth, then it's one to let that society go to hell or go no where, or follow some ass who declares himself 'leader' until he leads them straight off a cliff--when he realizes he had no idea what he was talking about!

Capitalism.. yes it nasty and wicked sometimes, hell most of the time... but it's the best motivator out there--besides sex (that one drives the world and crosses all theological grains!

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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:02 pm

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 8):
This is just the sort of thing that makes me hate capitalism

He was being kind of a jerk, but what does this have to do with capitalism? And why all the harsh words in your later post?

Yes, it was kind of shocking when he flat out said "Um, NO" but the guy was entitled to his opinion, and it WAS supposed to be ONE winner, so it's not like he took anything away from anyone.

Jeez, the ANGER!!!  Smile

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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:42 pm

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 8):
I think Randal made himself out to be a complete asshole.

Agreed 100%  bigthumbsup 

Trump got Trumped here. In all the promos, there were promises of a "Big Surprise" - and I have to believe Trump fully intended to hire both Randal and Rebecca all along. Randal is brilliant and has great educational credentials, but doesn't always make the right choices. Rebecca lacks Randal's business experience, yet works well under pressure and generally makes the right choices.

They complement each other VERY well, and would make an ideal team.

Trump's game plan of course was to do exactly what he did - choose the clearly superior of the two, but knowing it would be a big buzz-creator for next season and also give Trump a lot of publicity (TWO Apprentices instead of one! Now THERE'S a story!), he would pick Randal and then ask him what his thoughts were on hiring Rebecca. An obviously elated Randal, already overcome with feelings of accomplishment and gratitude would CLEARLY opt for the "happy ending" knowing they'd be working on separate projects and choose to share in his win.

Right?

You could tell Trump was not really happy with Randal's reaction. (And while I'm at it - Apprenti, Randal? I thought you were the smart one?) Trump clearly expected Randal to take Rebecca on, and had to save face by not publicly countermanding someone he had just been praising only 90 seconds earlier.

Randal could have made the right choice here, yet he chose to be selfish at precisely the WORST possible time. Look for him to be the "Apprentice with the asterisk next to his name" as time goes on.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:04 pm

Yeah, Randal totally flushed my opinion of him right in those last 10 minutes.
I was totally on board with the idea till he turned self promoting asshole at the end
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 10:33 pm

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 8):
I think Randal made himself out to be a complete asshole

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Quoting Logan22L (Reply 8):
I wish Trump had stood up and changed his mind right then and there and made Randal look like the asshole he is.

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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Fri Dec 16, 2005 11:59 pm

I think it will work out better for Rebecca this way. Randal's decision to turn an ordinary loser into a "victim" will get her tons of free publicity and sympathy. She'll be remembered long after Randal is forgotten.

Trump did this stunt to boost ratings, both for the next season and the reruns of this one.

Trump was evil. He encouraged Randal to either lie in front the whole world by picking somebody he clearly didn't want to hire, or shoot himself in the foot in front of the whole world so his future employees will hate him right off the bat.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:20 am

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 18):
He was being kind of a jerk, but what does this have to do with capitalism?

The cut-throat drive that Randal displayed came oozing very nastily out. It was Capitalism that bred this drive in him. The thought that "I can get all of this for me."

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 18):
and it WAS supposed to be ONE winner, so it's not like he took anything away from anyone

Understood, but I think what Trump was really after was "if she's so good, do you think we can work her into this situation as well?" Not, "should I have picked her instead of you?" My goal in life is to do the best job possible, using all the tools available. Rebecca would be a great team player. Randal doesn't care about that, he wants it all for himself. Capitalism breeds this type of thinking, IMO. (And no, not in everyone, I understand).
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:57 am

I think Randall did the absolute right thing. The fact is he didn't believe Rebecca was qualified for the projects Trump laid out. He stated this during the final interview. If Trump wanted to hire Rebecca, he would have hired her. Randall my have came across a bit harsh, but I think he needed to in order not to look too nicey nice. Trump likes tough guys.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:03 am

and rebecca has shown herself to be a tough guy.

i still cannot get over the fact she is only 23! she is extraordinarily professional for a 23yo.


if i were trump, i'd still hire her for the development project--she doesnt have to be the "apprentice"

oh, and good job for trump for calling out those assholes at yahoo who were insistent no donations were solicited at a CHARITY event! still, only donating $50k to each cause was a weak about-face for them.
 
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:06 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 6):
looks like he was considering it. and then Randal blew it. what a team player.



Quoting Logan22L (Reply 8):
In the end, I think the better candidate was hired. That said, when the Donald asked Randal if he would have hired Rebecca, and he said, basically, that this is the apprentice, not the apprenti, I think Randal made himself out to be a complete asshole. This is just the sort of thing that makes me hate capitalism. For God's sake, there's room for everyone who's truly qualified, isn't there?

I wish Trump had stood up and changed his mind right then and there and made Randal look like the asshole he is.

If I had won, and Donald asked me that question, especially of such a worthy opponent, I would have said "I'd hire her in a heartbeat."

Fuck Capitalism - it makes assholes of all of us. The purveyors and the consumers.



Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 9):
After seeing that ending, any and all respect I had accumulated for Randall in the course of the season is gone.



Quoting STLGph (Reply 12):
I wonder if Trump will change his mind and hire her anyway for his development project.



Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 19):
Randal could have made the right choice here, yet he chose to be selfish at precisely the WORST possible time. Look for him to be the "Apprentice with the asterisk next to his name" as time goes on.



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 20):
Yeah, Randal totally flushed my opinion of him right in those last 10 minutes.
I was totally on board with the idea till he turned self promoting asshole at the end



Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 22):
I think it will work out better for Rebecca this way. Randal's decision to turn an ordinary loser into a "victim" will get her tons of free publicity and sympathy. She'll be remembered long after Randal is forgotten.

For what it is worth this was my last season of watching! This totally ruined it for me. And yes Rebecca will get more out of this than Randal! When I think of Randal all I think of is selfish Ahole!
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:10 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 23):
The cut-throat drive that Randal displayed came oozing very nastily out. It was Capitalism that bred this drive in him. The thought that "I can get all of this for me."

You think this never happened in the Soviet-era (Communist) system? Actually it was MORE likely to happen (and did happen) in that system because limited options breeds more greed.

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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 1:45 am

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 27):
You think this never happened in the Soviet-era (Communist) system?

I'm sure it did. I'm more of the Socialist type.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 3:48 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 23):
Randal doesn't care about that, he wants it all for himself. Capitalism breeds this type of thinking, IMO.

That may very well be your YHO... but it's false. Business circles can't breed what's already there. Gather any group of five humans and you'll find one who mostly likely in 'a crucial situation' who refuses to go along the crowd.. or one who wants to march to his own tune (or have more of whatever... his/her way). Greed among humans has been here as long as envy... and it doesn't take much to flush it out publicly. Most of us, mask it and keep it in check with little or no restraint... but others will act on it without reluctance or shame... it's part of what makes the human animal what he is.

I think Randal got it because he looks like George, seriously look at them, if Randal was 40 years older he'd look eaxctly like him. A blacker version, but splitting image nonetheless! George would have said 'no' too...

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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:18 am

Quoting BN747 (Reply 29):
Greed among humans has been here as long as envy... and it doesn't take much to flush it out publicly.

I'll go along with that, but Trump is a Capitalist, and his show is a capitalistic venture, so the competition he created brought out the two-faced behavior in Randal. You know, how he was so nice to her at breakfast, but turned on her in the boardroom. This show is a direct result of Capitalistic values, and it rewards this type of behavior.

How many truly Socialist countries have copied this show and have their own version?
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:55 am

I thought Randal displayed such class and poise...until the very last moment. What a selfish thing for him to do. Did he, perhaps, perceive Rebecca as a threat; therefore, eliminating her debut into the Trump empire?
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 18):
Yes, it was kind of shocking when he flat out said "Um, NO" but the guy was entitled to his opinion, and it WAS supposed to be ONE winner, so it's not like he took anything away from anyone.

After hearing Randalls answer to Donald, my initial thoughts mirrored the majority opinion here. Then I got to thinking, why should Randall share his time in the sun with Rebecca. Everyone else got there 15 minutes of fame solo, why should he be any different. If Donald wanted to hire Rebecca then he should have just done it. Leaving the decision up to Randall was not only mean but it seems to me to be a little cowardly. I honestly think Donald did it this way just to jump start what had been a sinking ship (viewership was down from 10 mil to 6 mil).

Hey I say congrats Randall and good luck.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:58 am

Any respect I had for Randall totally went out the window when he went into his dissertation about how great he was, about how it was " The Apprentice, not the Apprenti" and how Rachel wasn't a strong enough candidate, bla bla blah. He went from be a great competitor to a First Class jerk!
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:02 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 30):
This show is a direct result of Capitalistic values, and it rewards this type of behavior

Apples and Oranges. The human traits of greed, egotism and competition have been around since the dawn of time! Capitalism may bring some of it out, but capitalism is NOT the reason Randal did what he did.
 
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:04 am

I'm just waiting for race to be brought up as an issue (external from here).
 
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:14 am

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 34):
but capitalism is NOT the reason Randal did what he did

Capitalism is the reason that show exists in the first place, so, yes it is. The piece of the pie that only a Capitalist such as Trump could offer brought out his attitude. Capitalism fosters this type of behavior.

Let me clarify a few things:

1. I am not saying every Capitalist is bad.

2. Small business-owners who provide a sound product and are trying to make an honest buck - that's a good thing.

3. Big business scares me. I've seen big business spend more money on landscaping and other cosmetic devices than the net worth of some third-world countries. Just to attract the best people who covet perks more than doing their duty, which is to do the best job they can do.

4. All employers MUST provide healthcare to ALL of their employees.

5. Shareholders: dictating the direction of a company simply because you have money and want to make more money, but hardly do anything to earn it is a shameless way to go through life. I'm not talking about a stock holder who gets a check for $15 four times a year, I'm talking about the ones "in control." The big wigs.

6. Personally, I think insurance is a scam. An overpriced service that we basically have to have, but are afraid to use it, since if we do, we'll get banged even harder.

7. I'll get nailed for this, but I get very upset about people who make large amounts of money by buying up real estate and then renting it out at exhorbitant prices. I personally think you should have to prove a need to buy developed property. Either you are going to live there, work there, or otherwise use it for your needs. Otherwise, let someone else have an honest crack at these places at an honest price. The Real Estate market is completely screwed up.

There, that's how I feel.

So, my point is that it's far too easy to make a great deal of money for doing little, if any good, and far too hard to make an honest buck. IMO, the Capitalistic system is flawed.

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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:42 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 36):
Capitalism is the reason that show exists in the first place, so, yes it is.

Well of course, it is the show that caused Randal to be posed the moral question in the first place. However, your assertion is that capitalism is what caused him to be selfish about taking all the spoils.

If the government in a socialist country (or Government, as you would say) made an offer to grant one person in the entire country a luxury (Government-owned) apartment for doing a lifetime of good deeds, and they came to Randal and said "we are giving it to you because you have doled out soup in a soup kitchen for the past 10 years"...and then said, "But you know what, your neighbor Becky here has been kind of a good person too, do you think we should let you two share the apartment?" he probably would have said, No, there can only be one winner.
 
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:46 am

Depends on what Becky looks like.  Wink
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:52 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 30):
You know, how he was so nice to her at breakfast, but turned on her in the boardroom. This show is a direct result of Capitalistic values, and it rewards this type of behavior.

Boy... one word of advice... WHATEVER you do in life... don't ever get caught up into the film/tv or music business! What you'll witness there will make what you saw on the Apprentice look-like a church picnic! 'nuff said.

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 30):
How many truly Socialist countries have copied this show and have their own version?

Emulation /imitation is the mose sincere form of flattery.. thank god Sweden doesn't do everything America doesn't does... or it wouldn't be Swedish. nor the Swedes.. well .. Swedes. Or the Canucks or anyone else. Just like everything else, capiltalism is for everyone, yet it is the chief force driving human endeavor and achievement in so many phases it's impossible to list here. Now all things down under the auspices of capitalism are not good nor contributed to the 'greater good' of mankind. But the majority of it is. Of 5 Billion people on the planet... that's a lot people to either be doing something (in pursuit of some goal) versus 5 Billion sitting around taking it easy not striving for anything but 'how to be happy' -- yet no real effort required... as a race, we'd fold like a deck of cards.

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 36):
The piece of the pie that only a Capitalist such as Trump could offer brought out his attitude. Capitalism fosters this type of behavior.

As does competitive races in the Olympics.... should the winner of a trifecta at a race track share with 2nd closest winner? Should the $300 million Lotto winner share with the guy who was 1 number off? And as I said earlier... think about this... you've seen the show over the year(s)... would George.. or Carolyn (if they were compettors) have said 'Yes, I'd like Rebecca to be hired too?" Because in the end this Apprentice or/all others has to see themselves as 'George or Carolyn' as the end result of themselves. It's ugly part of the business world.

I still remember the 1st time I sold something (retail -from my own business) and I thought to myself, "my god, these people could research and do this all on their own and save 20-50% in the process, I'm ripping this couple off!" That was a moment when everything I'd been taught in life as 'right, wrong, fair and unfair' came to clash with 'the course of doing business'. A several months down the road I came to realize, that I didn't provide the service... the guy around the corner wouldn't hesitate for a second (all the while watching me close up shop and let my employess go...) and the bad feelings I had gave way to that and sure enough if these people don't buy from me... they'll buy from someone else.

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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:06 am

Quoting BN747 (Reply 39):
don't ever get caught up into the film/tv or music business!

I've been in the music business off and on for about 10 years - part time. Let's just say, I've left it behind for the most part.

Quoting BN747 (Reply 39):
As does competitive races in the Olympics.... should the winner of a trifecta at a race track share with 2nd closest winner? Should the $300 million Lotto winner share with the guy who was 1 number off?

No, but these scenarios do not remove health care from a family or foster the Enron's of the world.

I hope that you read what I wrote in Reply #36. I think too many businesses are making too much money for not doing enough good, and too many people are not making enough (or given enough benefits, such as health care) for working honestly and hard.

How many school teaches make even 10-20% of what an Insurance company exec makes? Hell, the only time I wouldn't be scared to death to use my auto insurance is if I got in a serious accident. And since 1993, I've probably paid over $15,000 in car insurance in MA.

So don't misunderstand. I try not to paint with a broad brush, but the system is corrupt, and no one seems to care to fix it.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:40 am

Wow, just a little thread I started has turned into quite the conversation piece about capitalism.

Just a bit of thanks to those who have participated. I'm picking up more than I knew before on capitalism from the participation of you all.

Quoting Bobster2 (Reply 22):
I think it will work out better for Rebecca this way. Randal's decision to turn an ordinary loser into a "victim" will get her tons of free publicity and sympathy. She'll be remembered long after Randal is forgotten.

I agree with you there. Rebecca is going to be snatched up real quick by some other company. Randy is really getting himself into something that could become a potential disaster, as Trump's Atlantic City casinos all have filed bankruptcy thanks to the arrival of the Boyd Corporation's Borgata. After doing some reading about that a few weeks ago, I just knew one of the possible tasks for The Apprentice would involve his Atlantic City properties.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:50 am

The finale was the product of a failure on behalf of the producers to predict what Randal would do.

The producers wanted both a black man and a woman. They NEVER imagined Randal would reject Trump's suggestion of hiring Rebecca as well.

I was shocked, and awed. Randal's event sucked, but even that aside he displayed the one thing Trump hates the most right at the very end - disloyalty to Rebecca who had helped him win several major tasks in a row.

It was a disgusting display on Randal's part, and I am sure the producers haven't slept a wink since.

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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:13 am

He spent ten minutes knocking her down and saying how inexperienced she was so he could get the job, then after he gets it he's supposed to say that she deserves it as well? Randell made the right decision and it took balls to say that in front of a live audience.
 
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:23 am

Quoting Dash8King (Reply 43):
He spent ten minutes knocking her down and saying how inexperienced she was so he could get the job, then after he gets it he's supposed to say that she deserves it as well? Randell made the right decision and it took balls to say that in front of a live audience.

Balls and $1.50 will get you a cup of coffee! He shot himself in the foot, BIG time. No one at the Trump company is going to be comfortable working with him, as he has shown that he is out for no one but himself.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 10:43 am

Quoting Dash8King (Reply 43):
He spent ten minutes knocking her down and saying how inexperienced she was so he could get the job, then after he gets it he's supposed to say that she deserves it as well? Randell made the right decision and it took balls to say that in front of a live audience.

First of all, it's Randal. Second of all, it takes no balls whatsoever to vehemently deny that someone is as good as (or even better than) oneself. It's knee-jerk self-preservation.

The correct response, and the response I thought of before he even responded was: "As long as I retain the position that I just won (for now, at least), I think Rebecca would be a valuable addition, and she could only help to make things succeed. Let's bring her on board too, Mr. Trump, in whatever capacity you think she could best help us."

That way, he preserves his victory, and adds a valuble asset. BTW, if it were the other way around, I'd say the same thing.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:42 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 40):
I've been in the music business off and on for about 10 years - part time. Let's just say, I've left it behind for the most part.

And understandably so! Trust me... I know about that scene..

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 40):
No, but these scenarios do not remove health care from a family or foster the Enron's of the world.

Two words...

United Way.

A wide-know Charity organization that's known for doing tons of good annually and also for it's scandal (keeping the donations for themselves and splurging) a few years ago. See Human Greed.

And if you think that kind of 'gutter grade of greed' is rare, boy are you mistaken.. if goes from the Churchs to governments and beyond.

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 40):
I hope that you read what I wrote in Reply #36. I think too many businesses are making too much money for not doing enough good, and too many people are not making enough (or given enough benefits, such as health care) for working honestly and hard.

How many school teaches make even 10-20% of what an Insurance company exec makes? Hell, the only time I wouldn't be scared to death to use my auto insurance is if I got in a serious accident. And since 1993, I've probably paid over $15,000 in car insurance in MA.

I agree wholeheartedly, but that the's the fault of society, society can shift dollars away from the 68 Billion dollar (this last quarter) profiteering oil companies, but they won't, they could cut the legs out from Halliburton, but they won't. The public can come to the aid of these teachers, but they won't.. they'll let themselves get talked into a 'voucher system' that will take public money and channel directly from Private schools and public schools will be left with less funding and even more poorly paid teachers. The public shoulders a lot of the blame for 'following whereever they are lead...'

Insurance companies and churches pay no taxes... only Voo doo witch docters has any idea how forthright 'their internal book keeping practices' are... you just pay what they say you should. You have no way of knowing or gauging if that's fair ... or not.

As for Randall.. don't be surprised if that was 'scripted' a lotta of reality tv isn't all that real after all.

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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:51 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 23):
Randal doesn't care about that, he wants it all for himself. Capitalism breeds this type of thinking, IMO. (And no, not in everyone, I understand).

Actually, evolution breeds this type of thinking. It's call survival of the fittest.
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 6:39 pm

This says what I was thinking, but in much better way! But he didn't do it so he became a jerk, IMHO.

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 45):
The correct response, and the response I thought of before he even responded was: "As long as I retain the position that I just won (for now, at least), I think Rebecca would be a valuable addition, and she could only help to make things succeed. Let's bring her on board too, Mr. Trump, in whatever capacity you think she could best help us."
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RE: The Apprentice Finale

Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:08 pm

Quoting VSLover (Reply 15):
i cannot believe he said no to having trump hire rebecca

Come on!!! It is all scripted..."Reality" TV is the worst
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