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New York City Transit Strike

Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:47 pm

Workers of the New York City Metropolitan Transit Authority(MTA) are currently on strike. The union leadership(TWU local 100) has done something that all the other municipal unions were afraid to do and that is STRIKE. You see in the late 1960's or early 70's NYC went to court and had a law enacted called the "Taylor Law" which says that if any NYC union goes on strike the union is fined daily and its members are fined 2x their daily pay for each day on strike. This law totally one sided which essentially gives the city of NY all the power when it comes to contract negations. This is why many unions settle contracts two to three years after their last contract expired. Giving in to some of the city's ridiculous demands. The city can drag its feet making unreasonable demands while the city unions are demanding action. There have been many years of zero pay raises for many NYC employees, especially the police officers & firefighters. To Roger Toussiant the president of the TWU local 100, "Bravo to you for standing up to the city bureaucrats and those MTA directors who use Gestapo tacticts harassing the hard working MTA employees". Its about time that someone stand up to them.
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:10 am

all i can say is thankgod i dont work in the city anymore!

it would have taken me 45min-1hr to walk from my place in soho to my office in times square, which isnt an issue but its like 25 degrees there this morning.
 
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:13 am

I still plan to go into the city Friday, and this doesn't effect me one bit. I had originally planned to walk everywhere, and the only public transportation I will be taking is NJ Transit. I do feel sorry for all those commuters, though, who are trying to get to work today and the rest of the week.

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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:21 am

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Associated Press writers David B. Caruso, Verena Dobnik, Samantha Gross and Sara Kugler contributed to this report




The union said the latest MTA offer included annual raises of 3 percent, 4 percent and 3.5 percent; the previous proposal included 3 percent raises each year. MTA workers typically earn from $35,000 as a starting salary to about $55,000 annually.

Toussaint said the union wanted a better offer from the MTA, especially when the agency has a $1 billion surplus this year.

"With a $1 billion surplus, this contract between the MTA and the Transport Workers Union should have been a no-brainer," Toussaint said. "Sadly, that has not been the case."

A key issue was the MTA's proposal to raise the age at which new employees become eligible for a full pension from 55 to 62, which the union says is unfair. The MTA later agreed to allow pension eligibility at 55 for new employees, but asked that they contribute 6 percent of their salaries for their first 10 years of employment.

The down-to-the-wire negotiations came as workers at two private bus lines in Queens walked off the job, a move meant to step up pressure on the MTA.

The contract expired Friday at midnight, but the two sides agreed to keep talking through the weekend and the union set a new deadline for Tuesday.

Commuter frustration was evident both before the strike and after it was called.

"Enough is enough," said Craig DeRosa, who relies on the subway to get to work. "Their benefits are as rich as you see anywhere in this country and they are still complaining. I don't get it."


Well seeing they would have had raises, they City was not being cheap. Yea I know it's not cheap to live in NYC, but if you chose to live there tuff luck.

Have to love the demands od the Union, and there 'If we don't get what we want we walk" atitude. I say screw the workers and don't give in. Nice they waited for the Holidays to strike!!!!!
 
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:43 am

Quoting Roger136913 (Reply 3):
Have to love the demands od the Union, and there 'If we don't get what we want we walk" atitude.

IIRC, they've been struggling with this contract for a while now, and they almost went on strike several times in the past but decided not to in the 11th hour. This could be the point where it gets pushed too far.

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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:45 am

Daily News says average MTA worker TAKES 16 sick days per year. My boss would say "Bye Bye" to me after five!
 
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:48 am

Quoting Roger136913 (Reply 3):
"With a $1 billion surplus, this contract between the MTA and the Transport Workers Union should have been a no-brainer," Toussaint said. "Sadly, that has not been the case."

Of course they would have given it all back easily and without issue should it have been a 1 billion deficit.  Yeah sure
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:53 am

Quoting Soylentgreen (Reply 5):
Daily News says average MTA worker TAKES 16 sick days per year. My boss would say "Bye Bye" to me after five!

I agree 100%, most civil service workers would never make it in the private industry. Seeing my Wife works for the City, her Union does nothing but collect the Union dues. I see people who work for the City do crap and expect everything in return. I am not saying all Union workers are like this but alot of them are. Unions may have been at one time, but I don't think in todays world they do anything..
 
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:08 am

Im glad I don't work or have to drive to New York City (I live in Suffolk County)! Because of the strike they are saying you need at least 4 people in a car to drive in lower Manhattan (below 96th street) between 5am and 11am. And you have to have at least 4 people in the car to use the Brooklyn-Battery tunnel, Manhattan bridge, Brooklyn bridge, Williamsburg bridge, Queens-Midtown tunnel, Queensboro bridge, Lincoln tunnel, and the Holland tunnel betwwen 5am and 11am.

The same HOV rules apply to vehicles traveling toward Manhattan on the Henry Hudson Parkway, the FDR Drive, the Bruckner Experessway, parts of the LIE, the Belt Parkway, the Gowanus Expressway, the BQE and the Prospect Expressway.

I think these same HOV rules will be applied to the evening rush hour also.
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:33 am

Wow, and I thought that the NW Union were assholes, these guys weren't even getting a paycut.... I wish bloomberg would pull a Reagan and can them all...(even though I don't agree with the PATCO firings)
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:37 am

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 9):
I wish bloomberg would pull a Reagan and can them all...

I'll second that.
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:44 am

You know, people get so uptight about events like this. Personally, I love a bit of chaos every now and then.

Whenever it snows here in the UK there's anarchy. Trains, roads and airports all grind to a halt, we see images of 50-mile long queues on the M6, the press have giant "IT SNOW JOKE!" and "WINTER CHAOS!" headlines, it's fantastic! Everyone needs a bit of excitement every now and then, enjoy it!
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:51 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 11):
You know, people get so uptight about events like this. Personally, I love a bit of chaos every now and then.

Whenever it snows here in the UK there's anarchy. Trains, roads and airports all grind to a halt, we see images of 50-mile long queues on the M6, the press have giant "IT SNOW JOKE!" and "WINTER CHAOS!" headlines, it's fantastic! Everyone needs a bit of excitement every now and then, enjoy it!

you are joking right?
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:01 am

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 12):
you are joking right?

Not at all. Some of the best days I've had have been when the normal routine has been disrupted. Whether it's at school, university or work, disruption is fun. Of course, you can spend your life very very stuck up and go around saying things like "Wow, and I thought that the NW Union were assholes, these guys weren't even getting a paycut.... I wish bloomberg would pull a Reagan and can them all...(even though I don't agree with the PATCO firings)", but then life would be pretty boring, wouldn't it?
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:11 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 13):
disruption is fun.

It is! How many people get stuck in a traffic jam, then never tell anybody? Of course not! They brag to everybody they know about it.

People who walked to work today will be talking about this for months, saying "I walked to work on that day, it took me 4 hours!"

A few years ago, we had a gas shortage in Melbourne. All houses were banned from using gas for weeks, and it was the best time ever! It's strange things like that, things that you never imagine could happen, that make life interesting. It's just that people don't seem to be able to take a step back and see that for themselves; they'd much rather get outraged.
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:17 am

I haven't noticed anything different today. Midtown traffic still sucks, people are still out and about. New York tends to take these things in stride.

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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:26 am

I sure do like these wide-open spaces in West Texas! I really feel sorry for those that are crammed in NYC with no way to get around without having to go out and find 3 human beings to use for ballast!
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 8:32 am

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 16):
I sure do like these wide-open spaces in West Texas! I really feel sorry for those that are crammed in NYC with no way to get around without having to go out and find 3 human beings to use for ballast!

I'd rather live in New York (even with a transit strike) than in Texas any day. In fact, I'm pretty sure I'd be driven crazy living in Texas (and that has almost nothing to do with political orientation).

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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:45 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 10):
Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 9):
I wish bloomberg would pull a Reagan and can them all...

I'll second that.

That, considering they have thousands of people who passed the exam and want to work for MTA.

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 11):
Whenever it snows here in the UK there's anarchy. Trains, roads and airports all grind to a halt, we see images of 50-mile long queues on the M6, the press have giant "IT SNOW JOKE!" and "WINTER CHAOS!" headlines, it's fantastic! Everyone needs a bit of excitement every now and then, enjoy it!

That sounds just like NYC. Too bad there wasn't any snow today  Sad

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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:49 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 11):
Everyone needs a bit of excitement every now and then, enjoy it!

Haha, I actually agree with you. It will be interesting to go into the city and see what it's like during the strike. I still remember also the time I took a PATH train out of Manhattan 30 minutes before the major power outage a while back. That would have been an experience.  Smile

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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:04 pm

I just flew in yesterday.. I think this really sucks, cause i like to maximise the use of my time in NYC. The MTA people need to calm the hell down, they make a considerable amount of money in my opinion. and cannot be compared to FDNY and NYPD as they would like to. It just isnt the same. Now get back into your buses and trains and lets get the show on the road already.

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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:19 pm

Captaink, I think you got it all .... right! This is really how it is. There was a story on NY1 news about a construction worker from the Bronx who got fired 5 days before X-mas because he couldn't get to his job in Manhattan. I was supposed to have final exams this week but they're now postponed to mid-January. All my vacation plans have been ruined because of the strike. That also makes me upset so I'm with you on that.

I feel sorry for all the tourists who got stuck in this city. Being one of the largest cities in the US, I think it should have a more dependable transportation system instead of this joke of an MTA. By the way, it would be much easier if it would be privatized IMO.

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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:23 pm

Quoting RAMPRAT980 (Thread starter):
Giving in to some of the city's ridiculous demands. The city can drag its feet making unreasonable demands while the city unions are demanding action.

I'm gonna go with my psychic powers and say you are a member of a union?

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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:32 pm

Listen, once you're in Manhattan it's 20 blocks to a mile. No big deal.

I had a great time in the last transit strike. We finally had shades of Amsterdam.... a lot of bikes. I think a little zen walk, get to know the other folks, get your muscles warmed up, hit your stride... and like the guy earlier on from Australia (?) said, you end up with great stories to tell the kids. You share rides in taxis with people you'ld never have met otherwise.

However, I just called my kid in Brooklyn. He's a carpenter. He had a whole different take on it. They just called off work today. No work. No $$$.

So maybe, so much for romance.....but I think he's just (aside from lost $$$) being very cranky. In fact I think I'll get off here and get him back on the phone and give him hell. I taught him kamikaze bike riding. I taught him to ride over the Williamsburg Bridge and smile when he hit those sh*tty bumps......Where does he get off complaining!!!!!!

I'm so outa' here.
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:21 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 11):

Whenever it snows here in the UK there's anarchy. Trains, roads and airports all grind to a halt, we see images of 50-mile long queues on the M6, the press have giant "IT SNOW JOKE!" and "WINTER CHAOS!" headlines, it's fantastic! Everyone needs a bit of excitement every now and then, enjoy it!

I'll do you one better. Here in San Diego (it never snows) whenever it rains, even a sprinkle, there is mass chaos. The news reports "Stormwatch 20XX" and all heck breaks loose on the freeways as there are like 4x the number of accidents. It is so ridiculous it is funny, but a bit sad.

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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Thu Dec 22, 2005 2:19 am

Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 22):
I'm gonna go with my psychic powers and say you are a member of a union?

Retired city worker. Its not that I am pro union. I've worked for 20 years for the city and I along with many of my co-workers have recieved 0% pay raises when we were getting results for the city. But we did our job, professionally. Now that I work for an airline and I see all the B.S. flying around from both sides(Company/Union). What is it that we as members of a union in the airline industry are getting for our dues ?
Now while I was working in my civil service job, my union dues which were less than 30 dollars a month got me Eyeglass plan, Dental Plan, Prescription Plan in addition to representing myself and my co-workers when contract talks come around. All the unions are offering its member, within the airline industry, is contract negotiations.
With the city I got something from my union. Within the airline industry Unions are doing more harm than good for its members.

I know there are going to be many who will flame me for what I have just said. The truth to some people hurts them.

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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:55 am

For what these MTA workers put up with on a daily basis...BRAVO!!! They don't get paid nearly enough. First off they carry passengers...peoples lives they are responsible for, shouldn't they be payed accordingly for that? Then on top of that to drive a bus in the worst traffic in the country, and sometimes in snow with people on board!!! And the trains. What about driving, operating equipment that's questionable at best sometimes. They definitely deserve more. Even at 55,000 that's not that much in one of the most expensive cities. I hope these guys win, and get the money they deserve. Good for them. And I am not union. I could never be crazy enough to drive transit, or trolleys. Between the lunatics on the road, and the crazies that you deal with...just not worth it.
 
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:26 am

The tide of public opinion is NOT with the union. What they are doing is illegal.

The outcome isn't going to be pretty for the Transit Workers Union. Even their own International governing body doesn't support them.
 
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:00 am

I'll be in the city this time next week, this outta be interesting
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:17 am

well bloomberg has ZERO authority over the MTA. the MTA reports to governor pataki, and i can say i'll be one of the first people passing out flyers in '08 should he decide to even try and run for president saying pataki doesnt give a damn about ny.

this is just one in a LOOOONG line of incidences that have shown the governor doesnt give a shit about NYC.
 
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 28):
I'll be in the city this time next week, this outta be interesting

Well, it should be over way before then. I made a tongue in cheek reply earlier, but it's devastating the NY (retailing) economy at it's most important time of the year and it's too damned cold for people to be making long treks twice a day. Not to mention the shut ins who are unable to get their food deliveries etc. This was a big mistake on the part of the Union and I hope there is "serious jailtime" for a lot of them.

If you're a tourist and/or live right in Manhattan this kind of thing is bearable. But, if you live in the outer boroughs and work in Manhattan, you might as well kiss work good-bye. The majority of people in NY don't have cars. For most people it would be easier to live without running water than without the public transportation system.

Quoting VSLover (Reply 29):
this is just one in a LOOOONG line of incidences that have shown the governor doesnt give a shit about NYC.

Yeah, I hate to sound like a NYer, but we've been saying that all along.
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Fri Dec 23, 2005 12:48 am

Quoting RAMPRAT980 (Reply 25):
Now while I was working in my civil service job, my union dues which were less than 30 dollars a month got me Eyeglass plan, Dental Plan, Prescription Plan in addition to representing myself and my co-workers when contract talks come around. All the unions are offering its member, within the airline industry, is contract negotiations.
With the city I got something from my union. Within the airline industry Unions are doing more harm than good for its members.

That's cause your previous employer could legaly steal from the rest of the population in order to pay for your perks. Your current employer has to actually make money - so things get a bit more complicated.

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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:13 am

Toussiant needs to go back to the Haitian mud hut he came from... he's obviously lost perspective.

He said yesterday this strike is all about the MTA wanting to require that new hires contribute 6% to their pensions instead of 2%..... so the big bad bosses want the already overpaid workers to contribute more toward their retirement... and that's bad????? That's enough to cause all the losses the union is inflicting on the businesses in the city and all the hardship to its citizens??!? The MTA is not cutting health care.... they're not cutting pay... the union is demanding retirement at 55!! Who the hell gets full retirement at 55??? With a pension!!! A JANITOR at the MTA makes more than a policeman or teacher! And he demands that all people respect the MTA workers because they get up at 3am to operate the trains. NEWSFLASH.... a LOT of people get up at 3am to work... who the hell put guns to these people's heads and forced them to get jobs with the MTA??? But Toussiant makes a 6-figure salary... so what the hell does he care. AND... the most ludicrous of all union demands IMO, that the MTA lower the amount of disciplinary actions against employees......WTF????!??? So in other words, the employees can do whatever they want, break the rules, etc., but can't get disciplined for it. What the hell is the incentive for MTA workers to even work??

It's sickening... just another example of how unions are ANACHRONISMS... businesses in their own right, and cause more harm than good.
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:19 am

Quoting Jake056 (Reply 27):
The tide of public opinion is NOT with the union. What they are doing is illegal.

I think they actually have LESS support than the Northwest AMFA morons...and that' saying a lot.
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:50 am

Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 31):
That's cause your previous employer could legaly steal from the rest of the population in order to pay for your perks. Your current employer has to actually make money - so things get a bit more complicated.



Quoting Mrocktor (Reply 31):
30 dollars a month got me Eyeglass plan, Dental Plan, Prescription Plan

All of the above through my union dues. Medical plan, anuities and whatever else, yes the city had to rob from the rest of the population. But after all I was worth it.
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:01 am

Well the transit strke is officially over. Who won ? Let's leave that up to the spin doctors on both sides.

I have to say that during the strike every day at 6:00am I was driving in my S.U.V. on Hylan Blvd.(staten Island) and I must say it was deserted. No busses blocking traffic. No cattle running across Hylan Blvd. trying to catch their busses. Sheer pleasure. And I do believe that it helped global warming. I saw very few cars and no busses. And the temperature during the strike was a bit colder than usual. stirthepot 
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RE: New York City Transit Strike

Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:02 am

Well I hope the solve everything, we are back on by 8pm tonight.. YEAH.. let the fun begin.
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