ffis34
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I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:51 am

ok so i am planning on makeing the switch from an alienware aurua to a apple imac g5 or power mac not sure but what should i know about apple the good the bad i want to know everything i can to make sure im doing the right thing...

thanks

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Cadet57
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sat Dec 31, 2005 2:28 am

First, what is your main purpose to "switch"? I see you say you have an alienware, that says to me, gaming. Its avaiable on macs, just not the wide spectrum that PC'S have. And if you play FS, forget it, cant on a mac.

As for the good, bad, and ugly, macs are wonderful machines, i currently have a very old powerbook 7+ years old, and it has crashed once. But I also have experiance with the new mac os, its a very stable, reliable platform. But it all comes down to my main question, your puropse. If its media related, such as phot0 editing, movie editing..etc. the mac is second to none. But if youre doing it for somethin like gaming, or some people i know, the "cool factor" dont, you wont be happy, and you would have just wasted 2 grand.
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:09 am

Sick and tired of Windows just... being annoying :p and off to Uni soon. I've been saving up and not sure whether to go for a Mac. Say I bought Office for Mac to go with it (and I know my Uni's network is Mac-compatible), should it be better/easier to use than Windows? Is there anything it would lack?

I'm not really looking for something insanely better - just the same functionality as Office for Windows and... oh God please... some system stability. So it doesn't crash on a whim!

In other words... in terms of word processing and doing Uni-type work, what would I lose and what would I gain from going for an Apple over a Microsoft system?

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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:17 am

well im assuming you mean unix? thats not mya area of knowledge, sorry. but as for M$ Office, it runs much better adn the user interface is alot more user friendly and looks much better than the window$ one. As for the application itself, expect the same program, just better running and looking.
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ffis34
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sat Dec 31, 2005 3:27 am

yeah i have the alien ware for gameing i need something for movie editing and photo not heavy end stuff like professional i do alot of stuff for the comminuty and such nothing serious and i know the power mac is a bit much for what i need and i can just do the dual OS and iinstall windoxs xp on the mac HD and run FS off that i have seen it done before...gaming isnt something i am really into im just ready for something new and with my aunt being the one of the owners for Stone Yamishit parteners in SFO and steve jobs being a good friend of hers i get a deep discount and stuff so its something im considering not really looking to spend much more then 2000 bucks...and i heard editing and designing on macs is really nice but i wanted some opionions before i bought one
 
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sat Dec 31, 2005 4:26 am

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 1):
the "cool factor"

Personally, I think Apples are a lot "cooler" then whatever else's out there. I mean there products are much more visually and operationally appealing, no doubt.

My family uses an iMac G5 and a 15" Powerbook and I personally have an iBook G4, all operating on the OS system. I can't say that I have ever had a problem with my Macs. They run absolutely perfect and are good for everything I have ever had to use them for.

Everything on the Mac is drastically simpler. I have never owned a computer operating with the Windows systems, but I have a few friends who do. The product that Windows makes is an embarrassment when compared to a Mac. Seriously, go for the Apple!

Make the switch, that's the bottom line!

Good luck,

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Klaus
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:21 am

Quoting Ffis34 (Reply 4):
and i know the power mac is a bit much for what i need and i can just do the dual OS and iinstall windoxs xp on the mac HD and run FS off that i have seen it done before...

Minor correction here: I have my doubts about MS Flight Simulator under VirtualPC on the Mac at this point. The future Macs with Intel CPUs will probably(!) be able to do a true "multi boot" (MacOS X, Linux and Windows), but the current ones (G4, G5) need to emulate the Intel CPU at a noticeable performance penalty in order to run Windows.

You might want to look at X-Plane instead if it's for flight simulation, continue to use the PC for that or wait for the bigger Macs to transition to Intel CPUs (that will probably happen towards the end of 2006).

For photo and video editing and management an iMac G5 would be an excellent tool; Whether you'd actually want to get a PowerMac would mainly depend on your exact requirements. PowerMacs do offer quite a bit more computing muscle (especially the top model) and can be expanded with PCI(express) plug-in cards. They can also support multiple monitors out-of-the-box (although there's a small inofficial patch that allows an independent second monitor to be connected to an iMac as well).

You would probably not really need all those additional features but they could be nice to have.

Software-wise you very probably won't miss anything (except possibly some games). Some of the best software available at all is Mac-only (including MacOS X).
 
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sat Dec 31, 2005 5:31 am

Quoting Ffis34 (Reply 4):
yeah i have the alien ware for gameing i need something for movie editing and photo not heavy end stuff like professional i do alot of stuff for the comminuty and such nothing serious and i know the power mac is a bit much for what i need and i can just do the dual OS and iinstall windoxs xp on the mac HD and run FS off that i have seen it done before...gaming isnt something i am really into im just ready for something new and with my aunt being the one of the owners for Stone Yamishit parteners in SFO and steve jobs being a good friend of hers i get a deep discount and stuff so its something im considering not really looking to spend much more then 2000 bucks...and i heard editing and designing on macs is really nice but i wanted some opionions before i bought one

If you like games, I play Call of Duty:UO on my mac religiously.

You can try www.insidemacgames.com to see all the titles that are out.


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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sat Dec 31, 2005 6:08 am

Quoting GoAround (Reply 2):
Say I bought Office for Mac to go with it (and I know my Uni's network is Mac-compatible), should it be better/easier to use than Windows? Is there anything it would lack?

I'm not really looking for something insanely better - just the same functionality as Office for Windows and... oh God please... some system stability. So it doesn't crash on a whim!

Get a Mac, and then buy Office X Student Teacher Addition. It far surpasses the Windows' functionality in every way, and it lacks nothing.

Quoting GoAround (Reply 2):
In other words... in terms of word processing and doing Uni-type work, what would I lose and what would I gain from going for an Apple over a Microsoft system?

You would lose nothing and gain a much simpler user interface, in addition to a large jump in OS stability.
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sat Dec 31, 2005 10:32 am

It's probably worth noting that the applications you get with the Mac version of Office are slightly different than the Windows version. Word, Excel, and PowerPoint are basically the same, Outlook is replaced by Entourage, and there is no Mac version of Access. File compatibility between the Mac and Windows version of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint isn't usually much of an issue.

Flight Simulator actually has (or at least in the past, had) relatively modest requirements compared to many new games, but I still wouldn't want to consider running it, or any other action-oriented game, under VirtualPC, the program that lets you run Windows on top of Mac OS. X-Plane or FlightGear (free!) might be good options. It's been quite a while since I've used a FS program, though typing this post got me to start downloading FlightGear. If you must run MSFS, you might want to consider keeping your Alienware machine as well (no reason not to have two computers.... I have four), or waiting for the Intel-based Macs to come out and see if people are able to get Windows running on them.
 
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:16 pm

Quoting Ffis34 (Reply 4):
i can just do the dual OS and iinstall windoxs xp on the mac HD

It is impossible to do a true dual boot of Windows on a PowerPC (Mac) system. The processor architecture is different than that of x86 (Windows) machines. Mac is planning to switch to Intel processors, and therefore will be using the x86 architecture. When Macs come out with this processor, it will be technically possible to do a true dual boot, though I have no idea if Mr. Jobs will try to keep people from doing it practically.

In the case that you were talking about a program that runs windows on top of PowerPC Mac OSX, disregard what I just said.  Wink
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Klaus
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sat Dec 31, 2005 1:25 pm

Quoting AC773 (Reply 10):
When Macs come out with this processor, it will be technically possible to do a true dual boot, though I have no idea if Mr. Jobs will try to keep people from doing it practically.

No, Apple has already stated explicitly that they will not prevent Windows from being installed on the new Intel Macs. They will not, however, allow MacOS X to be installed on computers other than Apple Macs.

Whether Microsoft themselves will adapt Windows to the new machines or if the hardware will have a compatibility mode which makes them appear to be normal PCs is not known as of yet. The first Intel Macs are expected on January 10th (at least the official presentation), so we may know more quite soon.

The existing Macs can run Windows in an emulated virtual machine, a MacOS application named Virtual PC, with the aforementioned limitations.
 
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:42 am

Happy and proud iBook G4 user, made the switch 6 months ago and have never regretted it. I miss FS but being a student i am not finding the time to play it anyhow. They also have Xplane which I heard is pretty good. As far as OSX is concerned, amazing OS. Very easy to use, doesn't crash, virus' and spamware not a problem.

If you can do what you need to do on the mac, go right ahead and make the swtich you will be just fine. If you can't get your job done, then don't make you life miserable but trying to make it work.
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sun Jan 01, 2006 11:54 am

well does anyone know anything about there intel comptuers comeing out in 2 weeks will the i mac become in tell

brad
 
Klaus
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:07 pm

No, the iMac and the PowerMac will most probably be the last ones to transition (expected end of 2006). Both had just been updated, so they are not in any need and Intel does not have any attractive CPUs in that class yet.

The general "rumour consensus" is that the Mac mini, the iBook and possibly the PowerBook will be the first ones to transition to Intel.

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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:30 pm



Klaus, do you know of a good freeware image editing program for Macs? I'd like something a bit more advanced than, say, Microsoft Paint, but not as elaborate as Photoshop.




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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:44 pm

You'd have to check if it suits your requirements, but I'd recommend a look at GraphicConverter (it's shareware). It's more than enough for my needs, but I'm not a photographer or graphics artist. For dealing with your own digital photos iPhoto will certainly be a useful tool (it's included with new Macs).
 
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:51 pm




Thanks, Klaus. It's great to be a Mac owner!




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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:42 am

Dont let anybody tell you that the Mac doesnt crash. My iMac has crashed so many times that I'm thinking about going back to Windows. The PC seems more stable....
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Klaus
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:51 am

Quoting Tsentsan (Reply 18):
Dont let anybody tell you that the Mac doesnt crash. My iMac has crashed so many times that I'm thinking about going back to Windows. The PC seems more stable....

Rather unusual. Does it still run the "classic" MacOS 8.x-9.x? The older system was less stable, especially if you installed some shaky extensions...

MacOS X is a completely new system with practically no legacy code.
 
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting Tsentsan (Reply 18):
My iMac has crashed so many times that I'm thinking about going back to Windows.

Have you repaired your permissions, used Software Update regularly, and used a good utility like Disk Warrior to keep things healthy?
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:33 am

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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:08 am

"Truth"? Well, mildly amusing.

But from several obvious mistakes it looks like somebody absolutely insisted that his Mac should be a PC and was dead-set on ignoring anything that would have resolved any of his issues. There are many ways to shoot yourself into your own foot if you absolutely want to, and even with a Mac you still can.

It's just generally easier not to. Big grin
 
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:05 am

That video was funny (unreal) but funny.

Seriously, I changed for a Mac 3 years ago (look for my other post "Planes and Macs Anyone?) and I am really, really happy with it.

The software in the Mac can crash, but it doesn't take down the whole system. You just close the application and open it again.

I have a Powerbook 17'', and I think it stayed on for more than a year. No problems with that.

I agree that if you are a hardcore gamer, a Mac is not for you, unless you buy a Playstation on the side.  Smile

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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:06 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 20):
My iMac has crashed so many times that I'm thinking about going back to Windows.

Even the Mac can develop a bad memory chip sometimes. The occasional bit failure could be your problem. For the PC you have some very thorough test software for this purpose. What does your dealer say?
 
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RE: I Have Some Questions About Apple Computers

Mon Jan 02, 2006 6:30 am

You're right - that could be another cause (although it happens very rarely). In that case a thorough hardware check would be in order.

The original MacOS disk has Apple's own hardware test utility on it; For even more thorough tests you could use TechTool.

Other potential problems:

• Defective harddisk structure: Use Disk Utility under MacOS X, First Aid under the "classic" system to check and repair. In severe cases DiskWarrior is the tool of choice.

• Defective / unreliable application: In that case only that application will fail; Some applications can develop problems that can be cured by moving their respective preference file away from the Preferences folder and re-creating its settings.

• Defective driver / system extension: Although rare, this could be another scenario.

It ultimately depends on what symptoms actually exist. (If any - some PC users simply try to troll in Mac discussions. Hard to distinguish without any further information. )

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