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New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:46 am

Here's a new car I think even Superfly will have to admit is a beaut - today's technology merged with the classic 70s muscle-car look and feel...and it's a TWO DOOR!  bigthumbsup 

Now if only we can see the '68 Camaro revisited...

http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/funonw.../01/04/dodge_challenger/index.html



NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - With an appearance that draws heavily from the classic muscle cars of the late 1960s and early '70s, the Dodge Challenger, premiering in concept car form at next week's Detroit Auto Show, should satisfy those who thought the 4-door Dodge Charger just didn't have the right stuff.

This time around, the number of doors stays true to the original spirit. Just two.

"The people who were complaining about the Charger, if they complain about the Challenger there's something wrong with them," said David Zatz who runs the Web site Allpar.com, a site about Chrysler Group products.

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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:54 am

SWEET!
Absolutely gorgeous!

I hope Chrysler has the balls to put this in to production.

Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter):
Now if only we can see the '68 Camaro revisited...

Do yoy expect any logic or common sense from General Motors of today?
I don't.
I wouldn't be suprised if GM slapped the Camero namplete on the existing Aveo platform. They did a similar stunt with the Nova and LeMans namplate.
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:20 am

We can always wish for the return of the Camaro








Too bad this is just some kids concept maybe GM will open there eyes on this and bring them back.

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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:29 am

Finally, retro done right.

GM is too busy with garbage like this. May I present the 2007 "Dub" edition cadillac Escalade.
http://www.autospies.com/images/uploads/large/SP32-20060102-160214.jpg?undefined

Horrible.
 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:32 am

Can't wait to see this beauty at the Philadelphia Auto Show next month. I would love to see this car receive production approval.  thumbsup 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:38 am

Gimme! Gimme! Gimme!

Allpar has some really great closeups of the Challenger:
LY: 2007 Dodge Challenger


And in other DCX news, Chrysler is rumored to reintroduce some old nameplates at the Detroit Auto Show. The Aspen is coming back as a Chrysler SUV that's based on the Dodge Durango. And the Imperial concept car as well (rumored to be a stretched 300C evolved into a Rolls Phantom direction).
 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:48 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 5):
And the Imperial concept car as well (rumored to be a stretched 300C evolved into a Rolls Phantom direction).

OH MY GOD!  Wow!
Will someone send SWA TPA or Pilot_kaz over to pinch me?!?!
Is this a dream come true?
Does anyone remember a thread I started almost two years ago about Chrysler bringing back the Imperial based on the current 300C?
Is this for real?
I must be a psychic!  Wow!



Flight152:
I hope that is just a bad joke or a spoof site of some sort. Would GM actually do something that stupid?
Ooops, never mind. Forget I asked. Embarrassment
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:15 am

I'm not a Daimler-Chrysler fan, but that concept car rocks ! And you know what ? I bet they have the balls to build it, and will sell like crazy.
Too bad no-one at GM has gonads these days.
 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:17 am

Yes, the new Challenger concept is a sweet looker and it's a given Dodge will build it. It's everything in style the god-awful hideous new Charger isn't. The only caveat is that it'll be built on the LX platform underpinning the Charger, making it significantly bigger and heavier than the Mustang GT it will compete with. While a suitably powerful Hemi engine can erase that weight difference in the 0-60 sprints, the Challenger won't be as tossable as the Mustang, limiting its fun-to-drive factor. The other downside is that high insurance and gas prices will likely curtail sales to younger drivers who'd want it most; it'll end up selling more to older retro-minded buyers as the Mustang GT appears to be doing. Although Ford (per Car and Driver) sold about 165,000 Mustangs in 2005, past experience shows sporty cars have a rather short shelf life after they're new; sales decline sharply after the first couple of years after the novelty wears off. This was certainly true of the last Camaro/Firebird, a superb sportster that buyers nevertheless abandoned. While Ford has had far more success than GM in this area, even Mustang sales have ebbed and flowed in recent years. The once-hot ponycar market dwindled away as buyers went SUV-crazy. Now that SUVs are on the decline, will a viable market for pony and musclecars return? The lack of buyers for the excellent Pontiac GTO leave a question mark here; somehow I doubt it's only the GTO's lack of flash holding it back. People are also into hot sports-sedans like BMWs 3 and 5-series and the Chrysler 300C plus the possible threat of gas prices surging to $4. per gallon or higher this summer casts a pall over the performance car market. As in the old days, Dodge had better also offer an economical six as does Ford to capture buyers looking for style instead of power. Surely, GM will have to respond with a similarly conceived new Camaro.
 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 8):
This was certainly true of the last Camaro/Firebird, a superb sportster that buyers nevertheless abandoned.

More like GM aboandoned. The last time I saw a Camaro/Firebird Trans Am ad was when Night Rider was on air. GM went 15 years without putting hardly any marketing in to it.

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 8):
Although Ford (per Car and Driver) sold about 165,000 Mustangs in 2005, past experience shows sporty cars have a rather short shelf life after they're new; sales decline sharply after the first couple of years after the novelty wears off.

The boxy Fox platform Mustang (1979-1993) sold well for 14 years looking about the same throughout the years.

[Edited 2006-01-05 01:36:09]
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 8):
The only caveat is that it'll be built on the LX platform underpinning the Charger, making it significantly bigger and heavier than the Mustang GT it will compete with

It's going to be built on the LY platform, which is the next gen of the LX platform. The Challenger has a shorter wheelbase than the current LX cars (116 inches vs. 120 for the other LX cars), so there will be some weight savings there.

Quoting AvObserver (Reply 8):
It's everything in style the god-awful hideous new Charger isn't.

I love the way the Charger looks; the only way to make it look even better would be to lose the four doors. I saw an edited Charger photo that made it a two door and it looked sweet.
 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:07 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Thread starter):

Now if only we can see the '68 Camaro revisited...

Looks like they've listened...keep your fingers crossed that it does make it into production for 2008:

http://www.automobilemag.com/auto_sh...006/0601_chevrolet_camaro_concept/



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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:13 pm

That's not a bad looking concept, but by 2008? Typical GM of late, late to the party, that is.

And I don't know about y'all but I seriously dig the Charger SRT-8.
 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:23 pm

Watch out, Mustang! It'd be so cool to see this and the new Mustang side-by-side waiting at a red light!
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:58 pm

I was amazed about how the new car looks like the original article, from a rear 3/4 view. And it appears to be a true two door hardtop, as well. (For you young whipper snappers, that's a car who's B-post goes down with the rear window.)

It's a stunner....
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:37 pm

Quoting Tristarenvy (Reply 14):
(For you young whipper snappers, that's a car who's B-post goes down with the rear window.)

Actually the real difference between hardtop and sedan is that in a hardtop (whether pillared or conventional) there is no frame around the door's windows similar to convertibles. With a conventional (non-pillared) hardtop, you're right; with both windows down (assuming the model allows it, more on that in a moment), there is no pillar obstructing the view.

However, since 1975, most 2-door hardtops did NOT allow the rear-side windows to roll down even though they conceivably could have. One actually has to look on the car's inside to see whether there's a bonfide pillar between the front and rear-side windows (don't just go by the chrome edge). Examples include the '77-'79 Mark Vs, '77-'79 LTD IIs/Cougars (including XR-7), '79-'85 Eldorados/Rivierias/Tornados (excludes Trofeo models), not sure if the '75-'78 full-size Mercs. allowed the rear windows to roll as well (though the '74 and earlier models did), and I also believe that the '74-'76 GM B-body 2 doors (excluding the '75 Impala 2-door (non-Custom)) hardtops did not allow the rear window to roll down.

By 1975, most full & mid-size 2-doors adopted opera windows and hence became pillared hardtops. The last true 4-door hardtop (no pillar) was the 1978 Chrysler Newport/New Yorker.

For the most part, hardtops & pillared hardtops were casualties of the late '70s/early '80s downsizing.

[Edited 2006-01-05 15:48:50]
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Thu Jan 05, 2006 11:44 pm

Using the Challenger name is somewhat odd because the original Challenger was not a sales success. If Chrysler wants to reincarnate a muscle-car name, they'd be better off with Barracuda even though that was a Plymouth name rather than Dodge.
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:55 am

Too bad it's a Daimler-Chrysler.
 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Fri Jan 06, 2006 1:07 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 15):
not sure if the '75-'78 full-size Mercs. allowed the rear windows to roll as well (though the '74 and earlier models did), and I also believe that the '74-'76 GM B-body 2 doors (excluding the '75 Impala 2-door (non-Custom)) hardtops did not allow the rear window to roll down.

Correct. The 74-76 "Colonnade" GM B body DID have a version that had windows that moved. Some, but not ALL, Buicks, Olds, and Pontiacs had a small pane that rolled down. Chevy had a large glass, that didn't.
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:22 am

The new Challenger concept car is a modified version of the Charger concept of a few years ago.

They put the flat front on it to give it the current Chrysler/Dodge look. But I really wish they would have just built the car shown below:

http://www.atspeedimages.com/pebble99/elegance/dodge_charger_concept_car.jpg
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:26 am

I still want to know what the hell happened to the charger they were supposed to build (see above)...
 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting Diamond (Reply 19):



Quoting Diamond (Reply 19):
The new Challenger concept car is a modified version of the Charger concept of a few years ago.

They put the flat front on it to give it the current Chrysler/Dodge look. But I really wish they would have just built the car shown below:

http://www.atspeedimages.com/pebble9...r.jpg

Oh yes, I remember. Quite possibly the best looking 4-door car on the planet and I sure wish they would've released the Charger in this form rather than the current mold of the "somewhat streamlined brick" look of so many of Mopar's offerings now.
 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:12 am

Quoting Diamond (Reply 19):
The new Challenger concept car is a modified version of the Charger concept of a few years ago.
http://www.atspeedimages.com/pebble99/elegance/dodge_charger_concept_car.jpg

Looks like a Stratus on steroids.
 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:26 am

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 18):
Correct. The 74-76 "Colonnade" GM B body DID have a version that had windows that moved. Some, but not ALL, Buicks, Olds, and Pontiacs had a small pane that rolled down.

I believe the 74-76 Buick/Olds/Pontiac B-body 2-doors all featured the small pane but I don't believe the pane necessarily rolled down on the '75-'76 models.

Quoting TriStarEnvy (Reply 18):
Chevy had a large glass, that didn't.

Only the '74-'76 Caprices & '74-'75 Impala Customs had just the opera window that you speak of; the non-Custom '74-'75 Impala 2-doors had 4 available roll-down windows.

IIRC, the move to eliminate roll-down rear-side windows on most 2-doors then might have been due to a red-herring reaction the automakers had to some potential safety regulations that, to my knowledge, ultimately didn't materialize. The same could be said (this one's actually documented in a Ford book) for why Ford got rid of all its 4-door (non-pillared) hardtops in 1975.
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:50 am

In keeping with all other American muscle cars it'll have a 400 litre V8 engine, do 3mpg and won't be able to go around corners.

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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 24):
In keeping with all other American muscle cars it'll have a 400 litre V8 engine, do 3mpg and won't be able to go around corners.

Depends what era of which you speak, and even then your statement is rife with ignorance.

The "classic" musclecar era ( 1964-1973 ) were not very fuel efficient in most cases, but then neither were the run of the mill models either. Hell, a Volkswagen bug was doing good to get 25MPG such was it's detuned state. Classic muscle handled better than the run of the mill sedans and used sh!tty bias-ply skinny rubber. Old muscle corners surprisingly well with modern rubber , and even better with some easy suspension mods, but we really can't compare yesterday vs today.

As to your statements applying modern muscle: B_LLSH_T!!! Sorry ace, you're flat-out wrong.  flamed 
 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 24):
In keeping with all other American muscle cars it'll have a 400 litre V8 engine, do 3mpg and won't be able to go around corners.

Absolutely!!! That's what a true muscle car is all about. Hopping from one light to the next and leaving a visible smoke trail! Shame they probably won't bring back an updated RT engine with this car, those ABSOLUTELY rocked!!!! Wildest ride ever, 70 miles in under 30 minutes and it cost almost a whole tank of gas in a super bee hemi back in 1978!!!! The whole time we listened to Commander Cody/Hot Rod Lincoln!! lol  bigthumbsup 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:32 am

BristolFlyer:
NKP S2 is correct. In fact all of the American cars are of better quality than the British/Leyland cars and even after Leyland disolved, American cars were still better. Thank God Ford now owns Jaguar, Rover and Aston Martin.
British, German and Italian sports cars also got poor gas milage too.

The current 5.7liter, 340HP V8 Hemi (300C, Magnum, Charger) gets better gas milage than the little 1.6 liter 46HP Volkswagen Bug AND handles better.
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:06 am

My only complaint about the Challenger is that it is TOO retro. In other words, it looks almost exactly like the original. I had somewhat the same complaint about the new Mustang when it came out. A better retro treatment, in my opinion, would be the PT Cruiser or the Chevy HHR, which have some retro elements but add many new ideas. Why just duplicate something from the past?
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:46 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 27):
The current 5.7liter, 340HP V8 Hemi (300C, Magnum, Charger) gets better gas milage than the little 1.6 liter 46HP Volkswagen Bug AND handles better.

Of course it's going to handle better...it's a wonder what 60 years of automotive technology can do to handling qualities.
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:49 pm

Quoting MrChips (Reply 29):
Of course it's going to handle better...it's a wonder what 60 years of automotive technology can do to handling qualities.

True...but of course the sword cuts both ways. Which way do you want it? Some of the more effete sneering know-it-alls on this forum take pleasure in bashing classic US muscle by comparing their handling to modern marques. Some not even old enough to experience life to the degree that they can experience the tactile differences first hand and actually make an informed opinion on the subject! Imagine that!

[Edited 2006-01-06 10:54:45]

[Edited 2006-01-06 10:56:08]
 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:18 am

Quoting NKP S2 (Reply 30):
Some of the more effete sneering know-it-alls on this forum take pleasure in bashing classic US muscle by comparing their handling to modern marques. Some not even old enough to experience life to the degree that they can experience the tactile differences first hand and actually make an informed opinion on the subject! Imagine that!

Even though I have only been driving for about 8 years now, I have had the opportunity to drive a lot of cars of many types. I can categorically tell you that just about any car on Earth handles better than an old VW Beetle - especially at (or near, in most cases) highway speeds. Even the 1972 Plymouth 'Cuda that my neighbour owns has much better road manners than a Beetle.

And to answer the generation-splitting question of Tuner vs. Muscle Car, I choose muscle car every time.
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:27 am

Quoting MrChips (Reply 31):
And to answer the generation-splitting question of Tuner vs. Muscle Car, I choose muscle car every time.

I wasn't referring to "tuner" cars vs classic muscle, I was referring to new muscle vs classic muscle; the new denoting the Mustang/Charger/Viper/Corvette/4th-gen F-bodies; cars that accelerate, brake and handle great.

As to the old beetle, I agree. It's probably the worst handling car I've ever driven, even compared to other cars from the 60's on up.
 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:41 pm

Two things:

I may finally have to buy another Dodge.

And Oh my God!!! 2007 Cadillac PieceofCrapcalade. Fricking hideous looking.  vomit 

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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:53 am

"More like GM abandoned. The last time I saw a Camaro/Firebird Trans Am ad was when Night Rider was on air. GM went 15 years without putting hardly any marketing in to it."

This is partly true but a lot of potential buyers also went to far more practical SUVs over those years which is why GM put less advertising into ponycars. I still saw F-body print ads into the 2000 model year so they didn't give up completely. Performance cars mags still tested them from time to time so potential buyers knew they were still out there. Yet buyers also moved into imported sports sedans and coupes, further dwindling their sales. GM F-bodies were also more performance-focussed and a bit less practical, interiorwise, than the Mustang.

"The boxy Fox platform Mustang (1979-1993) sold well for 14 years looking about the same throughout the years."

It sold steadily but there were years when it dipped into the 25,000 range, although that was still sustainable, given the low annual investment and still far better than the combined annual F-body sales totals their last few years.

"It's going to be built on the LY platform, which is the next gen of the LX platform. The Challenger has a shorter wheelbase than the current LX cars (116 inches vs. 120 for the other LX cars), so there will be some weight savings there."

Not much; per Car And Driver's Feb. '06 issue:
< http://www.caranddriver.com/article....sp?section_id=19&article_id=10492>

"Stretching the distance from the bumpers to the tires fixed the proportions and also canceled the LX’s shortened wheelbase as the Challenger’s 197.8-inch length makes it longer than a Chrysler 300 or the original Challenger."

"We don’t expect the Challenger to weigh much less than the Charger’s roughly 4100 pounds, which will make it far heavier than the 3575-pound, but less powerful, Mustang."

Per Schmod: "Quoting AvObserver (Reply 8):
It's everything in style the god-awful hideous new Charger isn't.

I love the way the Charger looks; the only way to make it look even better would be to lose the four doors. I saw an edited Charger photo that made it a two door and it looked sweet."

To each their own but if you read many of the letters to the car mags, there's widespread disdain for the new Charger's looks. Quite apart from the 4-doors vs. 2 issue, it evokes nothing of the beloved 1968-70 Charger that car fans remember. It's a superb performance car (albeit with automatic transmission only) but as a resurrection of a 1960's-70's automotive icon, it's stylistically an unmitigated disaster. The Challenger at least, like the Mustang, gets the look right. You weren't around when the originals were first made, Schmod, so I understand that fidelity to them in the new designs isn't as important to you but it's a must for me.
 
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RE: New Dodge Challenger Concept Car

Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:12 pm

The Challenger Concept is kinda neat, but IMHO, doesn't have quite the "reach" appearance-wise (sort of like the new Mustang...it's percieved as too much retro-copy vs. capitalizing on heritage in an upgraded way). I'm hoping I'll be able to carry through with my plans on a walk-through of the NAIAS next weekend for a real look.

I'll also be interested in the Camaro Concept. The "half-and-half" full scale di-nocked clay photos taken at the GM Styling Dome patio that MrChips posted (reply 11) seem to be the front-runner of the final three proposals on the approval format according to former co-workers. More than likely, it will have the slightly higher driverside roofline (look closely at the photos) and, as per typical GM management hand-wringing, there are still many sleepless nights in executive circles on deciding between the tailight shapes...many are still campaigning for "round" tailights as per one of the old directive orders from the now disbanded "Brand Character Design Studio". Of course, with management pissing away good funds on crap like the Brand Character Studio, GM may not have the money to bring a new Camaro to fruition.

As far as the discussion on pillared vs. non-pillared (sedan vs. hardtop) body styles go, the actual definition rests solely on the lock pillar extending from the rocker panel stamping to the roof inner stamping. This is true whether you are defining a two door, in which case the "B" pillar is defined as the "lock pillar" or a four door, in which case it is defined as a "lock/hinge pillar" (except in the case of, say, the '60s Lincolns w/ "suicide" doors, which technically a "lock/lock" pillar, but we just called it the "B" pillar or "center" pillar"). Bored yet? Good  Smile. Here's more stuff.

The two main reasons for the disappearance of hardtops or "pillarless" body structures was safety (side impact and rollover structure) and weather sealing. Additional pluses, which now are equally important, is cost, including more precise build tolerances (especially now when it is common to do one-piece body side ring stampings) and less parts and weight needed to keep door glass from from aerodynamic buffeting at freeway speeds. Also, door glass can be installed as a complete module in the door without time-consuming alignment adjustments for glass/seal mating. My ol' 67 Sedan deVille is a true 4dr hardtop. As the lock/hinge pillar only extends up to almost the belt line, body "shake" is significantly more noticeable than in a true pillared sedan, and high-speed water/wind migration was always an issue.

There is also a mechanical design tolerance feature in some concepts (witness more radical tumblehomes in newer design sideglass and an angled or "canted" upper cut line) that would require a rear (or door) side window to retract slightly to accomodate three-plane clearances when one would open the door. Yet another expense. Although I can't finger-point at a specific current generation vehicle that requires such, an analogy might be recognized by closely looking at all recent Chev Suburban and Tahoe rear/rear module doors. Notice that because of the tumblehome and planal swing, there is a slight curve, or radius, to the upper door cut at the very top. The doors would not open without snagging each other without this little feature. If this were a glass-to-glass design as per a pillarless hardtop without radius-mating, the glass would snag or break, or at least scrub the seal and render it ineffective after only a few cycles. Sorry for rattling on. Kind regards....jack
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