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AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:38 pm

I heard from my inside source at DFW that next month AA was going to buy 20 new Ford pickup trucks to work on the ramp.


How will this affect their service out of DFW?
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:41 pm

Quoting CaptOveur (Thread starter):
How will this affect their service out of DFW?

Happier ramp workers which means more productive ramp workers.  Smile
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:44 pm

Depends if they're double-cabs... if not, then Y cabin only... Big grin

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:50 pm

I don't know about those F350's GM said they are made of composites- however they do hold good cargo.

Only problem is half of them will go to DAL if Wright is turned over as they have already pulled the F350's from Lima
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:51 pm

I don't think that DFW's O&D is good for the 350. AA should go with the smaller 150 model.
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:53 pm

I should have made a thread last June about how MEA's ground handling company MEAG bought 54 Motorola walkie talkies and 12 Poyet wheelchairs. It's old news now...

Maybe I'll thread about how they recently put larger "Nothing to declare" and "Items to declare" signs and how they replaced the dark wall coverings with lighter colored wall coverings in the immigration/customs area in DEN recently.

 

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:02 pm

They should have bought Dodge Mega Cabs, the A380 of the pick-up truck world.
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:05 pm

Give them 3 months and they'll look like old F350's....!!! It will have zero effect for the service out of DFW. The truck is a tool... and used just that way.

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:09 pm

I wonder if i was the only one who saw that as "....New A350's"

haha
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:10 pm

This will seriously affect AA's profits. Rising Gas prices will seriously hurt AA. Those F350s are true gas guzzlers. They should've picked the Hybrid Chevy Silverado for ER capabilities and less fuel consumption.

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:28 pm

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 8):
I wonder if i was the only one who saw that as "....New A350's"

I thought it was some sort of new Fokker .  Smile
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:31 pm

Now the debate will be one which powerplant AA will choose.

Will they stick with the standard Triton V8, the 6.8L V10, or go for the gusto with the PowerStroke Diesel?
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:35 pm

oh man they gotta go with the Powerstroke.

i have a great idea for a new Ford Commercial.

On the taxi way at DFW, a F350 pulling a 777 down the runway. That would be pretty fuckin' sweet...haha
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:51 pm

I would guess diesel because they have more torque plus they have some fuel efficiency advantages over gas models. The disadvantage is emissions being high for the diesel model and there would be less places for the trucks to fill up if they were driven on public roads. The V-10 offers more horsepower but less torque but it would be easier to fill up if it were driven anywhere. The V-8 is probobly the least expensive of the three and the engine is shared with the F-150, so therefore it would be less expensive to maintain due to commonality.

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:00 pm

After the 1000 bonus payouts, will AA be able to afford the F350. Maybe they should go with the Ranger instead. They can probably get 40 of those for the price of 20 F350.
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:02 pm

What is going on with this forum........ Can I start a topic about the light cleaning at Hong Kong International  sarcastic 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:05 pm

Quoting Whataboutme (Reply 14):
Maybe they should go with the Ranger instead.

Probably still too much, they should go for these:



Only $6499 each, and since they'll be ordering 20 of them, they can probably get a discount, maybe $6000 each.
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:08 pm

Quoting DesertJets (Reply 11):
Will they stick with the standard Triton V8, the 6.8L V10, or go for the gusto with the PowerStroke Diesel?

Well, given fuel prices, I think they would go diesel. Then again, I think NW will chose a fleet of used 460s in need of a tune up.
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:21 pm

Oh no!!! What a bad movement from AA's management... this will hardly affect directly it's operation and service quality at DFW...

They should have gone for 40 F150s instead....

Wonder what Dodge HQ are thinking at this moment!!!

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:38 pm

Quoting N754PR (Reply 15):
Can I start a topic about the light cleaning at Hong Kong International

Someone would do it if they knew about it.
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:56 pm

Quoting N754PR (Reply 15):
Can I start a topic about the light cleaning at Hong Kong International sarcastic

Actually I think that would be more interesting!

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 10):
I thought it was some sort of new Fokker .

Me too, only reason I opened this thread.  Smile
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:04 pm

it is all because of the subsidies... i bet they got them almost for free
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:20 pm

Ford keeps going on and on about their "all new" F350. But looks just like last years F330! And their new slogan, "4 tires for the long haul" and "would you drive thru the desert with only one gas tank and no spare?" seem like a PR blunder.

But they have this new IDE "In Dash Entertainment". It is this incredible gizmo. Just by turning a dial correctly you can hear notes - I found country, Rock & Roll, and Jazz. They said it is called a radio. Anyway, its going to change the whole industry.

I think AA should go for the green label, run them on methane - there's an unlimited supply. Does anyone know whether the Rampers contract covers the F350, I think only the most senior get to operate them, and there's the two weeks of training in vegas before they are certified.
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:51 pm

"AA To Buy 20 New F350s"

Are these firm or commitments for 2006?

...or been counted on last year's total 200+ 350s orders/commitments?

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:02 pm

Can we see a new livery with these trucks? Who is going to operate it, mainline, or Eagle?

.....guys, how can we have a thread in Civil Aviation about airlines ordering trucks? Has it really been this slow in the aviation world?  wink 

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:06 pm

Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 24):
Can we see a new livery with these trucks? Who is going to operate it, mainline, or Eagle?

Eagle, paying the drivers 26 cents per hour. It is, afterall, just a step up to the big rigs and the drivers should be honored for the experience.
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:16 pm

Quoting Planespotting (Reply 12):
On the taxi way at DFW, a F350 pulling a 777 down the runway. That would be pretty fuckin' sweet...haha

That would be too cool, why not, the new F-150 commercial shows it pulling a Peterbilt above the truck, the 350 should be able to tow a 777 down a runway at say 60 mph  Wink Big grin

As for NW, they will re-build the engines and install Sirius satelite radio, only not to pay for the subscription, on their vintage 1974 fleet of F-100's pick-ups.

US has decided to switch to Renault after agreeing to finance the new fleet at Zero percent for twenty years.

DL meanwhile has decided to repaint their Chevy trucks with a GMC logo as a slight of hand to try and confuse both the employees and consumers that the trucks are something different.

CO has figured it would be best to send every station a new F-150 SuperCrew, not too big, not too small, and is everywhere.
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:19 pm

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 26):
US has decided to switch to Renault after agreeing to finance the new fleet at Zero percent for twenty years.

What are they going to do with the combined truck fleet from the HP merger? When will the certificates merge and US drivers can drive HP trucks and vice versa?

Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 25):
Eagle, paying the drivers 26 cents per hour. It is, afterall, just a step up to the big rigs and the drivers should be honored for the experience.

Haha, well said.

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:24 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 23):
Are these firm or commitments for 2006?

...or been counted on last year's total 200+ 350s orders/commitments?

If rumors are correct, everything points out it's a firm 2006 order!!!

Unless we have to wait for the 17th... for Ford's 2005 spreedsheet.

Wonder how many extra options are they taking for LAX, MIA, ORD and JFK...

What about the old fleet??? Are these replacements or additions???

Is training for LAS confirmed??? AA is investing huge money!!!


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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:15 pm

Let's not turn this into a F vs B thread.  laughing 

I opened this thread thinking AA was buying planes (A350), not trucks.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 23):
Are these firm or commitments for 2006?

Orders or options. I don't know why Ford has such a category as "firm commitments".  laughing 
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:29 pm

Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 26):
As for NW, they will re-build the engines and install Sirius satelite radio, only not to pay for the subscription, on their vintage 1974 fleet of F-100's pick-ups.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Meanwhile GM just announced it would be "10 years" before a Colorado replacement, but Ford let slip it was working on a composite replacement for the Ranger.
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:36 pm

Airbus A350s would have been better for them !!!!!!!!!Sorry couldn't resist !!!!!!
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:55 pm

Why dont they strip the engines out as well as the cab floor and use their feet to get around...just like the flintstones!

yabadadoooooooo!  laughing 
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:01 pm

Any word if AA will be ordering the "blended winglets" option?



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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:28 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 6):
They should have bought Dodge Mega Cabs, the A380 of the pick-up truck world.

Not to start a F v D battle here or anything, but this is an insult to the A380.
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:41 pm

What ? Reply 35 and still nobody has brought up the fraught subject of Ford's illegal state subsidies and the fact that it's a Michigan jobs-generation program !Tsk tsk, A.net - you're slipping....

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:13 pm

I was at SFO a couple of weeks ago and saw bicycles riding ramp employees servicing several different flights. I even saw one carrying a little suitcase to another flight. Is that something new?

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:25 pm

Does this mean that the other carriers will rush to match AA's move? If so, how would this affect the overall state of the airline industry?

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:37 pm

Shoulda gone with the Dodge Cummins 3500. Much better engine and truck. Screw Ford

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:39 pm

CaptOveur: Your subject posting has nothing to do with this forum. Airliners.net is about airplanes not trucks. Forum administrators, when are you going to start cleaning up the threads on this page? It's not worth the subscription price anymore. You'll let people post anything and it's getting to be a waste of time.
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:59 pm

Let us not forget that America is finally getting around to introducing leading edge European technology: the Diesel engine.

Gee, isn't "piston" a French word?

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:03 pm

Quoting HarvardMan99 (Reply 39):
CaptOveur: Your subject posting has nothing to do with this forum. Airliners.net is about airplanes not trucks. Forum administrators, when are you going to start cleaning up the threads on this page? It's not worth the subscription price anymore. You'll let people post anything and it's getting to be a waste of time.

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting BA (Reply 1):
Happier ramp workers which means more productive ramp workers

You think? Give it a week, then they'll start whining about something else that will make them 'happier and more productive' once they get it. Then it'll be something else...then something else. Perpetually unhappy people. The things that 'make them happy' aren't what they HAVE...it's what they WANT but don't have. It's never-ending.
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:28 pm

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 42):
You think? Give it a week, then they'll start whining about something else that will make them 'happier and more productive' once they get it. Then it'll be something else...then something else. Perpetually unhappy people. The things that 'make them happy' aren't what they HAVE...it's what they WANT but don't have. It's never-ending.

LOL!

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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:38 pm

As an Norwegian I should say that this would have been the car for AA. It is an electrical car and the only car produced in Norway. Strange to have an electical car manufactured in cold Norway, when you now the batteries storage capacity shrinks when it is cold.

http://www.think.no/


It would have probably fit on the cargo compartment of the F350  Smile It was owned by Ford a couple of years ago, and there was 500 of them in California.
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 35):
What ? Reply 35 and still nobody has brought up the fraught subject of Ford's illegal state subsidies and the fact that it's a Michigan jobs-generation program !Tsk tsk, A.net - you're slipping....

Actually the F350 is produced in Kentucky not Michigan. What AA should be doing is buying GMC Sierra 3500 as it is a much better vehicle. Are they going to get the leather option for the cockpit?
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:15 am

Congratulations to AA and Ford! What a great order to kick off the new year! How many orders is that for the F350 now?
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:16 am

Does anyone know if any of the new F350's will end up at RDU?
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:38 am

I think Ford is definitely losing money on this deal. The only way they picked up this F350 order was by offering below-cost pricing to AA. Pursuing market-share for market-share's sake in the long term is not a winning strategy for Ford. AA, of course got a bargain, but in the long term, taking into consideration maintenance costs and fuel economy, it would have made more sense for AA to go with the Peugeot model.
 
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RE: AA To Buy 20 New F350s

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:45 am

My sources in Dallas say that the deciding factor in picking the F-350 over the Ram was the potential loss of productivity of every ramper asking "You got a Hemi in there" whenever a fleet service truck rolls by. AMR's accounting gurus calculated for a fleet of 20 trucks there would be over 2000 lost man hours each fiscal year.
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