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What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:01 am

Would all 3 of the above still be as popular today if they were alive? As despite their deaths they are still incredibly famous. Would Nirvana have disappeard into the background had Kurt not taken his own life? I know Queen are still going with Paul Rogers, but its hardly the same.

I'm more interested in your thoughts on Nirvana currently as I'm listening to Smells Like Teen Spirit constantly  Wink I suppose if Kurt hadn't died that the Foo Fighters would never have existed....with every cloud theres a silver lining?  Smile

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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Her

Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:10 am

I think Nirvana is really overrated, mainly stemming from the fact that Cobain decided to end his life. Sure, they had a few good singles, but nothing groundbreaking. They probably would have become just another one of those "One Hit Wonder/Where Are They Now" stories if he hadn't killed himself.

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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:16 am

They would all be playing Match Game 2006 if they were still alive.

Que funky porn music  Wink
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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:17 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1):
but nothing groundbreaking

Well, they did start the "grunge revolution".

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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting GLAGAZ (Reply 3):
Well, they did start the "grunge revolution".

Which I'm not particularly a fan of.  Wink

Seriously, though, grunge was just a fad for a while, and faded fast as soon as the "pop" music of the late 90's came out. It was hot until the next new thing developed, and didn't have the staying power to become a real genre.

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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:33 am

Elvis would be on a reality tv show; don't know what Freddie would be doing; and Cobain would still have blown his brains out at some point.
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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:38 am

Elvis, and to a lesser extent Freddie, were extremely popular long before their deaths, and were well known outside of the music industry, Kobain wasn't. Of course you wouldn't have the mythos that developed around Elvis, but he'd still have a devoted following, as does Queen/Freddie. Kobain is seen as some kind of martyr, and if wasn't for the spectacular way we did himself in, Nirvana would just be another has been band.
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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:43 am

a "martyr" usually is somoene who gives up his life for a cause or an ideal. This guy was just a messed-up musician who didn't have any real life outside his muic, and he blew himself away. He's not martyr, he's just a footnote in music history, as far as I'm concerned.
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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
a "martyr" usually is somoene who gives up his life for a cause or an ideal. This guy was just a messed-up musician who didn't have any real life outside his muic, and he blew himself away. He's not martyr, he's just a footnote in music history, as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think Searpqx himself was calling him a martyr (I hope not), just that he is viewed as one by certain people. Calling him a martyr, though, is very insulting to all those in the past who have truly died for a cause. If you are most well known for killing yourself and for your crazy ex-wife, your music can't have been all that revolutionary.

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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:54 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
He's not martyr, he's just a footnote in music history, as far as I'm concerned.

I agree 100%, but just as Elvis's death helped developed the personality cult that currently exists around him, Kobain's suicide, in the mind of his followers, did indeed give him martyr status. I don't agree with it, but it is how they view him (taken from long and confused talks with folks in the Seattle music scene). The difference I think between Elvis & Kobain is that while Elvis's still has a huge fan base 30+ years after his death, give it another five years, and folks aren't even going to remember Kobain.
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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:58 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
The difference I think between Elvis & Kobain is that while Elvis's still has a huge fan base 30+ years after his death, give it another five years, and folks aren't even going to remember Kobain.

I think this is due to the fact that Elvis' death was a footnote to his music, while Cobain's music was a footnote to his death.

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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:03 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10):
I think this is due to the fact that Elvis' death was a footnote to his music, while Cobain's music was a footnote to his death.

Damn, but that's pretty deep for this place.  Smile

But I think you're on to something there.
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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:05 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10):
I think this is due to the fact that Elvis' death was a footnote to his music, while Cobain's music was a footnote to his death.

 checkmark  Very well put!
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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:20 am

I think that if Elvis, Freddie and Kurt would have lived, at least Elvis and Kurt would already be dead.
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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting YooYoo (Reply 2):
They would all be playing Match Game 2006 if they were still alive.

HA!!!!! Where's Brett Somers, and Charles Nelson Reilly?!?!??!


In my opinion:

Kurt: In rehab, after a spectacular divorce case from Courtney Love.

Freddy: After disbanding, in the late 90's Queen reunited on stage at a "New Millennium" concert, December 31st 1999. A series of smash albums followed, and included a world tour, that began in Fall 2004, and still plays sold out shows.

Elvis: The drugs and booze caught up w/The King in 1980, after a failed disco album, tanked. Elvis dropped from the music world, around 1983, and started buying land around Branson. Democratic Presidential nominee Michael Dukkakis, approached Elvis in 1988, as a possible V-P candidate, but he refused. In 1995, "Blue Suede", the largest theater and hotel in the state opened, and Elvis is known to do a show or two, nightly.
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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:19 am

ELVIS --

Elvis LIVES! nightly at the new Riviera Concert Dome. Performing Wednesday through Sunday nightly at 9pm. Shows are sold out through 2010.


FREDDIE --

As mentioned earlier, the 1999 New Year's Eve to 2000 brings about a Queen reunion concert in London. The show prompts a few benefit shows in the United Kingdom and in the states in 2000. "We Will Rock You" the musical opens in 2002 prompting a continued surgence of Queen fans. Queen commences their tour, as predicted, in 2004.


KURT --

Who?
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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10):
I think this is due to the fact that Elvis' death was a footnote to his music, while Cobain's music was a footnote to his death.

Very profound, Harry...  bigthumbsup 

I like to remember Elvis from the late 50s, early 60s maybe....old school.

Cobain I don't care to remember at all. He is glorified well beyond what his lief would merit.

Now if you want to talk about who should still be here, I start that list with SRV.
 
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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:33 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
Damn, but that's pretty deep for this place. Smile

But I think you're on to something there.



Quoting Searpqx (Reply 12):
checkmark Very well put!



Quoting Slider (Reply 16):
Very profound, Harry... bigthumbsup

Haha, I'm flattered.  goodvibes 

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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
I agree 100%, but just as Elvis's death helped developed the personality cult that currently exists around him,

Elvis' fanbase was more because he helped change popular music and was wildly popular over a 25 year period.....

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10):
I think this is due to the fact that Elvis' death was a footnote to his music, while Cobain's music was a footnote to his death.

Very well put.
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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:14 am

Newark777, since you put out such profound wisdom, maybe you should just address us as "my little grasshoppers" from now on.  Big grin
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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 19):
Newark777, since you put out such profound wisdom, maybe you should just address us as "my little grasshoppers" from now on.

I've gained a whole new perspective on life. I will dispel more wisdom, for a small fee of course.  Wink

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RE: What If Elvis, Freddie And Kurt Were Still Here?

Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:33 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 19):
maybe you should just address us as "my little grasshoppers"

I'm afraid that name has been permanently damaged here on A.net...

maybe we should simply call him Swami Harry.....
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