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V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:31 pm

I might have missed something here, but when did it become offensive or disrespectful to show the V-sign? AFAIK, it just means 'peace' or 'victory'.

Anyway, driver in the UK got his licence suspended for a year plus a fine for showing the V-sign to a speeding camera whie not speeding.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/08/891.asp
 
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:04 am

Penalty for being disrespectful of an officer on duty taken to the next extreme (could be argued that the camera is a police officer on duty, the person watching the images certainly is)?
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:10 am

Quoting Scorpio (Thread starter):
I might have missed something here, but when did it become offensive or disrespectful to show the V-sign? AFAIK, it just means 'peace' or 'victory'.

Not in the UK. There when you want to tell somebody "up yours", you use two fingers instead of just one. I don't know why so don't ask. So I guess the punishment was for telling the speed camera "up yours"  Wink
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:10 am

Scorpio let me tell you a little story.

Back in the day (1977) when I first moved to California I had an old Plymouth Barracuda and my hair was pretty long. So I was cruising down Redondo Boulevard in Long Beach with Mamasan when I got flagged by a sheriff's deputy.
I pulled over to the side of the road and the deputy pulled in behind me. I looked in the morror to see him unholstering his pistol and holding it down to his side while walking up to my car.

I kept my hands up on the steering wheel where he could see them and was very careful to say "I am now going to get out my wallet" "I am now reaching in the glove compartment for the registration and insurance documents" "I am on my way to XXXX for the purpose of XXXXX. I have come from my home. This is my wife. There are no weapons or contraband in this car."

The result was that I went on about my business and that was the end of it. Had I been cute, I'd likely have ended up in jail or gotten myself an equipment ticket.

And how many fingers did the guy REALLY hold up?
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 2):
Not in the UK. There when you want to tell somebody "up yours", you use two fingers instead of just one.

Not if the "V" is presented palm outwards. If the "V" is shown with the palm towards oneself, that's "up yours."
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:22 am

It's probably classed as careless driving or something like that. His own fault, the bloke should of been concentrating on his car and the road not being a prat.
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:24 am

Taking both hands of the steering wheel is classed as dangerous driving. He wasn't in total control of the car, so he quite correctly got a ban
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:36 am

ok, a little history lesson for you all, why the V sign is offensive.

Many moons ago (i didnt take history) but the english and French were at war. The english archers were some of the best in the world, and were devestating the french forces. The french threatened they would cut the 2 fingers off any archer they caught, so they could never fire an arrow again.

The french never caught any archers, and the english marched through the french towns, with their hands raised revealing the two fingers the french threatened to remove, shouting "we still got ours".

this gesture was then adopted and became somewhat of an insult, and is used to this day to mean "up yours", and often called "giving them the fingers".

During world war 2, i believe the same gesture but with the hand rotated became used as the sign for victory as the shape of the fingers made a V.
 
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:38 am

That's so pathetic, I've 'peaced' at surveillance cameras of all sorts, If I'm in a lift by myself I peace at the cameras and smile
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:38 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Taking both hands of the steering wheel is classed as dangerous driving. He wasn't in total control of the car, so he quite correctly got a ban

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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:41 am

Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 8):
That's so pathetic,

Wouldn't be pathetic if he had lost control and injured, or even killed a little child on the pavement, would it?
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Taking both hands of the steering wheel is classed as dangerous driving. He wasn't in total control of the car, so he quite correctly got a ban

Damn! I so HATE having to agree with young kirk, but in this instance he's correct. Act the twat and you'll get nicked. Serves him right.

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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:43 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 4):
Not if the "V" is presented palm outwards. If the "V" is shown with the palm towards oneself, that's "up yours."

Yes sorry, I should have added that, I forgot.

In any case... weird Brits  Wink
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:44 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Taking both hands of the steering wheel is classed as dangerous driving. He wasn't in total control of the car, so he quite correctly got a ban

Where does it say he took both hands off the steering wheel?  Confused

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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:46 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 10):
Wouldn't be pathetic if he had lost control and injured, or even killed a little child on the pavement, would it?

From taking one hand off the steering wheel for a whole... What? 5 seconds? That's highly unlikely
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:48 am

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 12):
In any case... weird Brits Wink

However, if he had lost control of the car and injured or killed FlyAUA, then it would be ok  stirthepot  duck 
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 13):
Where does it say he took both hands off the steering wheel?

It was on the radio this morning, on Radio 2. Which, unless you listen in the net, you wouldn't have heard. I suspect it was also stated elsewhere but I can't find it. Over to you kirkie!

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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:51 am

He took both hands of the wheel? Oh.. Mybad, Sorry, I guess I skipped that post... I stand corrected... He is a fool (so am I, Sorry again)
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:04 am

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 16):
It was on the radio this morning, on Radio 2. Which, unless you listen in the net, you wouldn't have heard. I suspect it was also stated elsewhere but I can't find it. Over to you kirkie!

He took both his hands off the steering wheel!? In that case I'd say a well deserved punishment. Driving is not a game, and driving recklessly is even worse! Well done to whoever withdrew this persons license.

Are there actually any people that drive with both hands on the wheel!? I drive with only one hand on the wheel, except when I am on the highway or if it's really windy.
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:16 am

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 18):
Are there actually any people that drive with both hands on the wheel!?

Afraid so mate. I drive about 90% of the time with both hands (cue sarky response from Pe@rson, kirk et al!). About the only time I just use one hand is if I'm in the states and bimbling along the freeway with cruise control on.

Or when I pick my nose/scratch my arse/give the V sign to some dork Big grin

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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:17 am

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 2):
I don't know why so don't ask.

Goes back to the battle of Agincourt (english vs the french) and the fact that the English had longbow archers who caused a lot of damage to the french ranks. The 'V' sign is waving the 2 fingers that were used to pull the bow and holds the arrow. It's lived on as an insult.
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 4):
Not if the "V" is presented palm outwards. If the "V" is shown with the palm towards oneself, that's "up yours."



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 7):
During world war 2, i believe the same gesture but with the hand rotated became used as the sign for victory as the shape of the fingers made a V.

Winston Churchill gave the V-for Victory sign both ways:








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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 20):
Goes back to the battle of Agincourt (english vs the french) and the fact that the English had longbow archers who caused a lot of damage to the french ranks. The 'V' sign is waving the 2 fingers that were used to pull the bow and holds the arrow. It's lived on as an insult.

Adding to that, the Evil French ( Big grin ) would cut those two fingers off if they caught an archer. The V sign was used to show the Frogs that they were still able to use their bow.

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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:24 am

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 19):
Or when I pick my nose/scratch my arse/give the V sign to some dork

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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:24 am

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 20):
Goes back to the battle of Agincourt (english vs the french) and the fact that the English had longbow archers who caused a lot of damage to the french ranks. The 'V' sign is waving the 2 fingers that were used to pull the bow and holds the arrow. It's lived on as an insult.

already mentioned in reply #7, try reading the thread before replying...
 
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 21):
Winston Churchill gave the V-for Victory sign both ways

No, in the first picture, he is saying "up yours."  Wink
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:31 am

Well, you learn something new every day. Should've known there was an offensive version of the V-sign...
 
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 25):
No, in the first picture, he is saying "up yours."

Well, since he once called Hitler a "bloodthirsty guttersnipe" that is entirely possible. Smile
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:55 am

Quote:

Saturn V means never having to go to the performance charts.

Now, is that Saturn "Victory" or Saturn "Up Yours"...? Big grin
 
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:19 am

Did I just see GKirk make a serious post? Did somebody hack his account? Big grin
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 2:39 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 25):
Winston Churchill gave the V-for Victory sign both ways

No, in the first picture, he is saying "up yours."

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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:15 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Taking both hands of the steering wheel is classed as dangerous driving

I wouldnt go as far as "dangerous driving" but certainly careless and inconsiderate....

Im sure it wasnt a V for victory sign either, it states it was a moblie police van? , the ones i know cannot take photos and are manned by an on duty police officer with a laser gun only, stick your fingers up and you will get a knock on the door simple as that...

why do police have to take this behaviour from idiots, my case did not make the media but i have "stuck someone on" in exactly this same fashion!

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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:41 am

If he was not speeding, why did the speeding camera even take a picture of him?
 
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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 28):
Now, is that Saturn "Victory" or Saturn "Up Yours"...?

It would be the Saturn "Up Yours", with the "Up Yours" directed towards gravity.  Smile

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RE: V-sign To Camera: Licence Suspended

Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:12 am

Well, I've just been informed that this picture was the late PM in Rome ordering five beers.




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