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Vacation In Israel

Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:15 pm

My mom and I have been wanting to take a trip during the summer, so we finally settled on Israel due to sheer amount of interesting history surrounding that country. I have several questions for those of you that have traveled there or live there:

1) How much can we expect to pay for decent hotels (we can share a bed; hotel doesn't need to be nice but not a hostel either)?

2) Is there much to see in Tel Aviv as tourists if we don't plan to go to the beach or night clubs? (I'm not going clubbing with my mother!  Smile )

3) We're considering going to Jerusalem, the Dead Sea, and Haifa (we have nine days). Do you have any other recommendations?

4) We will only be there for one Saturday, but where would be a good place to spend that Saturday since, from what I have read, many things are closed on Saturdays?

5) How long is a good amount of time to spend in Jerusalem?


Thanks for any of your answers or suggestions! Also, in case you're wondering, we are flying on Delta's soon to be inaugurated ATL-TLV-ATL flights. I'm sure 13 hours on a DL 777 on the return will be lovely!  crazy 
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:59 pm

Quoting Airplanetire (Thread starter):
My mom and I have been wanting to take a trip during the summer, so we finally settled on Israel due to sheer amount of interesting history surrounding that country. I have several questions for those of you that have traveled there or live there:

Excellent choice...You will not be disappointed! Travelling to Israel is a very moving experience...Are you or your mother religious?

Quoting Airplanetire (Thread starter):
2) Is there much to see in Tel Aviv as tourists if we don't plan to go to the beach or night clubs? (I'm not going clubbing with my mother!

There is tons of touristy stuff to do in Tel Aviv...Rabin Square, Independence Hall, definitly take a drive up the coast past the American Embassy. The best thing about being a tourist in Israel is that everything is so close. Driving from Tel Aviv to Haifa or Jerusalem takes about as long as my commute to high school did (around an hour). So you will have lots of flexibility once you get there.

Quoting Airplanetire (Thread starter):

3) We're considering going to Jerusalem, the Dead Sea, and Haifa (we have nine days). Do you have any other recommendations?

You might want to look into Eilat...But it's basically a beach city, and you seem not to be so into that. But if you go to Eilat, you can take a day trip into Jordan.

Quoting Airplanetire (Thread starter):
4) We will only be there for one Saturday, but where would be a good place to spend that Saturday since, from what I have read, many things are closed on Saturdays?

DEFINITLY spend Shabbat at the Western Wall in Jerusalem...Very moving, even if you aren't religious. Perhaps spend the Saturday in Tel Aviv?

Quoting Airplanetire (Thread starter):
5) How long is a good amount of time to spend in Jerusalem?

Totally depends on you and your mother and what you are most interested in seeing. Like I said, once you are there you will be pretty flexible.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:19 pm

Quoting Airplanetire (Thread starter):
1) How much can we expect to pay for decent hotels (we can share a bed; hotel doesn't need to be nice but not a hostel either)?

I dont know why RJpieces didnt find that funny/disturbing. I dont know of many guys between 16-20 who share hotel beds with their moms..now if shes a mil..nevermind.

I just found that a bit odd thats all..someone quote me here and tell me if im overreacting.
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:33 pm

Considering that i live there... i'm gonna recommend visiting Galillee.. i was there yesterday... (for the millionth time in my life)... always a great place.. a lot of things to see and great food (Tanureen restautrant).

My Grasndpa owns a travel agency in Jerusalem.. i will ask him all the questions you mentioned above.. and i'll let you know what he says..

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions. (within the next 12 hours) as i'm leaving t go back to the USA.

Israel is one of the NICEST places on earth to visit.. it's rich in history.
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:19 pm

Neither my mom nor I are religious, but I am extremely interested in history and Israel is loaded with that, so that is why we are going.

Thank you all so much for your information on Israel. CO7e7, I'll try to get in touch with you in the next few days.
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:21 pm

And about the bed thing, it's mostly an issue of money. Of course I would rather have my own bed, but if it was a lot cheaper to have a room with one queen bed than two double beds, that would be fine. I don't think sharing a bed with a family member would be weird in that situation. Perhaps my perception is twisted, but it's not as if I am attracted to my mother.
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:57 pm

Interesting to see that Israel is again putting money into attracting the IT holidaymaker. Plenty of TV advertising in Britain for Eilat and Tel Aviv at the moment, pushing the resort quality and nightlife of the capital.

I suppose one major plus is that Israel is actually pretty compact and a tourist can get to see quite a bit on arranged excursions.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:01 pm

As a word of caution, if you think that sometime in the near future you will want to do business in the Middle East or North Africa, I HIGHLY recommend getting a second US passport for this trip to Israel. Most Arab countries will deny entry to their country if your passport contains entry stamps from Israel, so having a second one strictly for travel to Israel is a good plan.
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:26 pm

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 7):
As a word of caution, if you think that sometime in the near future you will want to do business in the Middle East or North Africa, I HIGHLY recommend getting a second US passport for this trip to Israel. Most Arab countries will deny entry to their country if your passport contains entry stamps from Israel, so having a second one strictly for travel to Israel is a good plan.

Dont think there is a need for that.
You can always request your passport not to be stamped.
Also, you can request your visa not to be placed on your passport.
Unless rules have changed..


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RE: Vacation In Israel

Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 8):
Dont think there is a need for that.
You can always request your passport not to be stamped.
Also, you can request your visa not to be placed on your passport.
Unless rules have changed..

Is it possible to do that? I didn't think it was possible to not be stamped. Every country I have been to looked for the entry stamp upon departure.
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:32 pm

Good choice and I hope you'll enjoy your trip.

Quoting Airplanetire (Thread starter):
1) How much can we expect to pay for decent hotels (we can share a bed; hotel doesn't need to be nice but not a hostel either)?

Depends on the city. I'd say from $80 to $150, but in the high season can go up to $200 and higher (in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Dead Sea and Eilat). If you want more than decent - in Tel Aviv for instance - around $300 will be more appropriate (in high season).

Quoting Airplanetire (Thread starter):
2) Is there much to see in Tel Aviv as tourists if we don't plan to go to the beach or night clubs? (I'm not going clubbing with my mother! )

Tel Aviv is a young city, thus don't expect much history. It's a fun city , great restaurants , great beaches , great nightlife and a very good variety of cultural venues. Walking around is fun, seeing the White City (a UNESCO World heritage site due to the massive amount of Bauhaus architecture), shopping, Neve Tzedeq (the oldest part of the city - now a bohemian neighborhood). You'll have lots of fun. Jaffa is also great.

Quoting Airplanetire (Thread starter):
3) We're considering going to Jerusalem, the Dead Sea, and Haifa (we have nine days). Do you have any other recommendations?

As it has been said before Galilee and Golan are wonderful, but since you only have 9 days - skip it. My suggestion is Tel Aviv- Jerusalem - Dead Sea/Eilat.

Quoting Airplanetire (Thread starter):
4) We will only be there for one Saturday, but where would be a good place to spend that Saturday since, from what I have read, many things are closed on Saturdays?

Spend it in Tel Aviv. More things are open than on any given Sunday in major European cities.

Quoting Airplanetire (Thread starter):
5) How long is a good amount of time to spend in Jerusalem?

Anywhere between 3 days and a lifetime. It's an extraordinary city.

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RE: Vacation In Israel

Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:03 pm

Quoting Brokenrecord (Reply 9):
Is it possible to do that? I didn't think it was possible to not be stamped. Every country I have been to looked for the entry stamp upon departure.

I will tell you this Much, I was in and out of TLV (Mulitipe times) in the Mid 90S.
My passport was never stamped niether on the way Nor on the way out.
I used My Lebanese Passport.


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RE: Vacation In Israel

Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:04 pm

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 11):
I will tell you this Much, I was in and out of TLV (Mulitipe times) in the Mid 90S.
My passport was never stamped niether on the way Nor on the way out.
I used My Lebanese Passport.

Interesting.
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 12:51 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 2):
I dont know of many guys between 16-20 who share hotel beds with their moms..now if shes a mil..nevermind.

I just found that a bit odd thats all..someone quote me here and tell me if im overreacting.

Haha, I don't see anything wrong with that. Whenver my family travels, we still split beds. Besides, when you are travelling, the hotel should be where you spend the least amount of time.

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 3):
i'm gonna recommend visiting Galillee

I would as well. Are you Christian? I know you said you aren't religious, but definitly check out the Galillee. You can take a day trip up to the Galillee and Golan...Also really cool to check out the Israeli Arab towns there.

Quoting Airplanetire (Reply 4):
but I am extremely interested in history and Israel is loaded with that

Definitly picked the right country to visit then.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 6):
Interesting to see that Israel is again putting money into attracting the IT holidaymaker. Plenty of TV advertising in Britain for Eilat and Tel Aviv at the moment, pushing the resort quality and nightlife of the capital.

Israel has won the Intifada; Their economy is booming; Tourism is back to pre-2000 levels, so that doesn't surprise me.

Out of curiousity, how do most Brits view the idea of travelling to the Holy Land for fun? And Tel Aviv is not the capital....

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 10):
Depends on the city. I'd say from $80 to $150, but in the high season can go up to $200 and higher (in Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Dead Sea and Eilat). If you want more than decent - in Tel Aviv for instance - around $300 will be more appropriate (in high season).

Maybe you should treat yourselves to one fancy night in a hotel. Most people have heard of the King David hotel and that is loaded with historyl--One night there shouldn't be more than $250. Same goes for the David Citadel (minus the history)...But I just looked up a random date in June and it was pretty reasonable for such a luxury hotel (That is where US officials usually stay when in Israel)

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 10):
Tel Aviv is a young city, thus don't expect much history.

That does hit you when you are travelling into the city for the first time. I remember my tour guide pointing to the sand dunes that are preserved and saying how the whole city was like that a century ago.

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 10):
restaurants , great beaches , great nightlife and a very good variety of cultural venues.

Airplanetire, I forgot to mention that one of the most amazing things about Israel is the variety of cultures. Something like 40% of Israelis were born someplace else and they all have great stories. You will see black Israelis, Indian Israelis, Americans, Australians, everything.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 2:43 am

Check out this small promotion video about Tel Aviv and Jaffa:

http://www.tel-aviv.gov.il/Hebrew/_M...ltimediaServer/Videos/12516205.wmv
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:07 am

Quoting CO7e7 (Reply 3):
Israel is one of the NICEST places on earth to visit.. it's rich in history.

What history? That country is only 50yo.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:08 am

Quoting Lindy (Reply 15):
What history? That country is only 50yo

Are you serious?
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:11 am

What was the year that Israel was created? 1948? 1951?
And what was that land called before that?
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:16 am

Quoting Lindy (Reply 17):
What was the year that Israel was created? 1948?

1948

Quoting Lindy (Reply 17):
And what was that land called before that?

Here are just a few names that the land had during its very long history: Canaan, Judean kingdom, Palestine (comes from the tribes of Plishtim that inhabited the coastal areas together with the Phynikians), Israel (not the modern State of Israel),Part of the Roman, Byzantean and Ottoman empires, etc. etc.

[Edited 2006-01-13 19:17:46]
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:27 am

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 14):
Check out this small promotion video about Tel Aviv and Jaffa:

Awesome video, Rudy!

Quoting Lindy (Reply 15):
What history? That country is only 50yo.

I second the "Are you serious"? For any person interested in history, there is no country more interesting than Israel for the shear amount of world events influenced by it--From ancient times to today.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting Lindy (Reply 15):
What history? That country is only 50yo.

LY7E7 you may have missed his point...look where me and Lindy are from...maybe then you will understand our "love" for Israel.
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:38 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 20):
LY7E7 you may have missed his point

No I haven't. I was just trying to prevent this thread from going where your Polish pal wanted it to.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 20):
...look where me and Lindy are from

yeah, and I don't like you too.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:42 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 20):
LY7E7 you may have missed his point...look where me and Lindy are from...maybe then you will understand our "love" for Israel.

So anyone from Poland has to be an anti-semite? Pretty flawed logic there....

[Edited 2006-01-13 19:42:42]
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:00 am

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 21):
Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 20):
LY7E7 you may have missed his point

No I haven't. I was just trying to prevent this thread from going where your Polish pal wanted it to.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 20):
...look where me and Lindy are from

yeah, and I don't like you too.

I never said I didnt like you personally. I dont know why the personal attacks.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 22):
So anyone from Poland has to be an anti-semite? Pretty flawed logic there....

Uhhh...I never said that either...your putting words in my mouth which I never said.

On a sidenote, I dont know of anyone in Poland that looks upon Israel favorably (save for the very few Polish jews)...then again, I dont know of a SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE of people outside of Israel and USA that look upon it favorably.

No need for personal attacks.

Ive been to Israel myself (Dead Sea + Jerusalem + Tel Aviv) and its a very scenic country with alot to see especially if you are religious and no matter if your a Jew or Christian or a Muslim.
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:14 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 23):
I dont know why the personal attacks

Who said it was personal? "You" is plural.

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 23):
I dont know of anyone in Poland that looks upon Israel favorably

I wonder why? Maybe because since the middle ages your national motto was "Polska bez Zydow". NSZ rings a bell? Should I continue? less than 1% of Jewish survivals in Poland, compared to 75% in France? More? Kielce 1946 ?
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:17 am

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 11):
I will tell you this Much, I was in and out of TLV (Mulitipe times) in the Mid 90S.
My passport was never stamped niether on the way Nor on the way out.
I used My Lebanese Passport.

Were you visiting the areas of southern Lebanon that were under Israeli occupation at the time? This is the only reason they would let you in with a Lebanese passport and not stamp it.

A cousin of mine who is a press reporter has had to visit Israel a few times and as he is a Lebanese citizen, they get a piece of paper and stamp it instead of the passport.

The Lebanese government approves of this measure for press reporters.

Having two passports is also handy. I have other relatives who are US citizens who visited Israel a few years ago, since they got the stamp on their US passport and as they also have a Lebanese passport, they can still go to Lebanon and other Arab countries.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:25 am

BA,

Speaking of Lebanon, I came across a news article this week, saying that the Lebanese army stopped and arrested a Palestinian vessel full of arms and explosives, recipient: Palestinian terror organizations. Good job. One more positive sign of Syrian absence in Lebanon.

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/israel/articles/20060113.aspx
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting BA (Reply 25):
they get a piece of paper and stamp it instead of the passport.

Bingo....thats what i did.



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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:33 am

LY7E7,

The Palestinian vessel belonged to the PFLP-GC, a pro-Syrian Palestinian group that shot 2 Lebanese (they weren't killed) a few days ago.

Their leader, Ahmad Jibreel, is also accused of being involved in the assassination of Rafic Hariri.

Today they arrested 13 Al-Qaeda suspects as well:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4610852.stm
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 26):
Speaking of Lebanon,

Didnt i read somewhere on this site that foreigners with Israeli stamps in their passport can now visit Lebanon ?

Can someone confirm?

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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:15 am

I too would love to go to Israel but am reluctant to do so because of terrorism. Can anyone give me their perspective on how safe it is or isn't?
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 24):
I wonder why? Maybe because since the middle ages your national motto was "Polska bez Zydow". NSZ rings a bell? Should I continue? less than 1% of Jewish survivals in Poland, compared to 75% in France? More? Kielce 1946 ?

Wow where the hell did you go with this post? You've missunderstood my questions.
When I asked about history I was serious because as you said Israel was created in 1948. You should say that 'land' on which is Israel located is rich in history.

Rafal

PS - Since you have opened this can of worms - I have to correct you. They didn't shout Polska bez Zydow. It was always Polska dla Polaków.
And I have to tell you that Jewish population in Poland before 1939 didn't exactly liked Polish people. All Jews in Poland before WWII started didn't want to be Polish, and didn't want to have anything to do with Poland. They treated Polish people with disrespect. Polish people were treated like lower class. Anyway, that ani-Polish behavior have killed hundreds of Jews in Poland during WWII. They didn't speak Polish so they couldn't hide from Nazis, and were executed for being Jews.
Don't start with me on this crap. I'm not ani-anybody. I just asked regular question, and all of a sudden you are very jumpy.
You are trying to give me message that being Polish I should start hating Germans and Russians? Grow up and answer like an adult, not like 10yo kid.

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 24):
less than 1% of Jewish survivals in Poland, compared to 75% in France? More? Kielce 1946 ?

Once again, if you don't know history then you should go back and read some. Then you will find out why only 1% Jewish people survived in Poland and 75% in France.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 29):
Didnt i read somewhere on this site that foreigners with Israeli stamps in their passport can now visit Lebanon ?

Can someone confirm?

It was mentioned in a Lebanese newspaper (I think Al Balad) a while ago, but it turned out to be false.

The policy over Israeli stamps in passports hasn't changed.

Here's the information from Timaticweb (a service provided by IATA):

Entry refused if holding passport containing visa for Israel, valid or expired, used or unused, or having any Israeli stamp endorsed on passport.

Non-compliance with entry regulations will result in refusal and deportation of passenger at carrier's expense. A fine of LBP 3,000.000.- (approx. USD 2,000.-) will be imposed on carrier.


The only changes regarding visa and passport requirements for visiting Lebanon since the creation of the new government following Syria's withdrawal is that Jordanian citizens can now come into Lebanon without a visa. Previously, this was restricted to Gulf Cooperation Council (Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and United Arab Emirates) citizens and Syrian citizens only. Syrians can still come in with only their National ID cards if coming directly from Syria. This policy has been in place since the independance of both countries from France.

The list of countries that can use the visa on arrival service (at the borders with Syria, Beirut airport, and the seaports) may have been expanded also, but that has always been constantly expanding anyway...
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 30):
I too would love to go to Israel but am reluctant to do so because of terrorism. Can anyone give me their perspective on how safe it is or isn't?

In all honesty, you are safer in Israel than in some parts of most American cities. I wouldn't have suggested travelling to Israel during the Intifada (2000-2004), but these days it is as perfectly safe as any European city.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 5:45 am

Quoting Lindy (Reply 31):
They didn't shout Polska bez Zydow

Yes they did. Poland was one of the most anti-semitic countries in Europe, during the entire XXth century. The only difference between Poland and Germany in the 30s was that the Poles did not envision a wholesale murder.

You have the nerve to blame the jews for your nation anti-semitism through their insularity - a xenophobic approach par exellance. I'm through with you.

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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:54 am

So, about that vacation to Israel.......
nothing
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:56 am

BTW, the history that was talked about earlier in the topic I would assume was not about only Israel as a state. The land which Israel is on carries a lot of history from the many civilizations that ruled over it. It has many wonderful Mosques, churches, synagogues and more. It has history from 2000 years ago belonging to many different religions, civilizations, and kingdoms.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:59 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 39):
If you want to argue with me about this open up a new thread on it and we can squabble there

I really don't want to satrt an arguemnt here because i believe we are both bias in a way. I posted my post while you were posting your so i didn't get to read it. i still think however, that you are a bit of target.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:01 am

Quoting YoungFlyer (Reply 41):
BTW, the history that was talked about earlier in the topic I would assume was not about only Israel as a state. The land which Israel is on carries a lot of history from the many civilizations that ruled over it. It has many wonderful Mosques, churches, synagogues and more. It has history from 2000 years ago belonging to many different religions, civilizations, and kingdoms.
Dan

Which is exactly why its worth a visit...and exactly why I went to visit. I recommend myself going to Jerusalem obviously. Trip to the dead sea is warranted when you can lay down flat on the bloody salt water...its very strange. As a Catholic...I recommend also Church of Holy Sepulchre (I think thats the right spelling) and Mount of Transfiguration
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:03 am

Quoting YoungFlyer (Reply 42):
I really don't want to satrt an arguemnt here because i believe we are both bias in a way. I posted my post while you were posting your so i didn't get to read it. i still think however, that you are a bit of target.

Neither do I, no one is going to change his/her views and besides we already had a lengthy topic on this some time ago.
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 7:24 am

Quoting YoungFlyer (Reply 41):
BTW, the history that was talked about earlier in the topic I would assume was not about only Israel as a state. The land which Israel is on carries a lot of history from the many civilizations that ruled over it. It has many wonderful Mosques, churches, synagogues and more. It has history from 2000 years ago belonging to many different religions, civilizations, and kingdoms.
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And that was exactly my point when I asked the question earlier! But Mr. LY7E7 opened pandora box for no reason.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:07 am

Quoting LOT767-300ER (Reply 35):
Then again, no one appreicate the Jews attitude in Europe. It takes ALOT to get kicked out of Poland, France, Portugal, Spain, France, Austria and Germany + other nations.


Edited to tone this down a little...

I'll just echo the sentiment that you should be ashamed of yourself.

[Edited 2006-01-14 00:16:15]
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:00 pm

In a last ditch attempt to steer this thread away from an all out brawl:

I've been thinking of doing a trip like this as well...
Which Middle Eastern countries are now "ok" with Israeli stamps? Egypt?
Is the border crossing between the two countries a real pain to do? Is it possible to rent a car in one country and drop of off in another?

Thanks for any info!
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:39 pm

Quoting Lindy (Reply 15):
What history? That country is only 50yo.

One or both of the following situations:
1) Or you don't know history. Or
2) Your are kidding.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:33 pm

Quoting IFLYMCO (Reply 42):
Which Middle Eastern countries are now "ok" with Israeli stamps? Egypt?
Is the border crossing between the two countries a real pain to do? Is it possible to rent a car in one country and drop of off in another?

Jordan and Egypt are OK with Israeli stamps.
Border crossing is very easy to Egypt in Taba crossing near Eilat, somewhat less easy to Jordan - but still nothing complicated.

Israeli rental companies (all of them - including Sixt, Hertz, Avis, etc.) do not insure cars going to PA, Egypt and Jordan. You can do it but be prepared to pay a lot of money if something happens to the car.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:51 am

No matter what our fellow Poles say, Israel is very rich in history. My history professor in college, who taught Chinese history by the way, always said that if you really want to come in contact with history, Israel is a place to visit. And if you really want a hands-on historical experience, don't forget to visit places like Masada. Also, if you want, you can participate in the archeological dig, Beit Guvrin comes to mind. Eilat is predominantly a beach town so it's not really worth the drive if you're not into beach going. Dead Sea, however, is a MUST. These are just things I could think of in about 45 seconds typing the above. There's definitely much more to Israel. Hope you really enjoy your visit.

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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:40 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):
Israel has won the Intifada; Their economy is booming; Tourism is back to pre-2000 levels, so that doesn't surprise me. Out of curiousity, how do most Brits view the idea of travelling to the Holy Land for fun? And Tel Aviv is not the capital...

It won the Intifada?! So the 2.5m Palestinians have all accepted Israel's existence on their land?! Are you insane?! As an aside, "tourism" may be high but it's all of a rather political nature, I mean, going to Spain or Greece to lie on the beach for two weeks isn't really a political statement, but everyone who goes to Israel to lie on the beach are Jewish or, increasingly, Evangelical Christians and they're choosing Israel as a leisure destination in a very pointed, overt way. And this is very much with the direct involvement of the Israeli gov't; all the Jews I know who go to Israel get travel grants, even though they're just going to lie on the beach or swan about in Tel Aviv. I never cease cease to be amazed at the number of hoops the Israelis will jump through to get warm bodies to visit (ie picking up half the cost of your plane ticket if you give your email address to some Jewish organisation, friendship assoc or whatever).

I wonder what percentage of "tourists" are neither Jewish nor born again Christians? 2%?

I know a few well known bands who have played there, and they always say the same thing, great audiences to play to but a pain in the arse country to visit cos everyone assumes your visit isn't just to play music and get a paycheque, it's a show of solidarity and the artists always complain that they feel railroaded into a political position they don't actually believe in, ie "pro-Israeli" or whatever.

PS Jerusalem is far from being the recognised capital of Israel. All the emabassies are in Tel Aviv, including the US. Even the CIA website states "Jerusalem" as the nation's capital with a wordy qualifying statement. Israel may consider Jerusalem as the capital but the rest of the world won't recognise it til it's shared with it's co-owners.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:29 pm

Quoting Levg79 (Reply 45):
No matter what our fellow Poles say, Israel is very rich in history.

Excuse me but who said that it isnt? I myself went there to view it.

Its not like we are talking about the USA here and history  Silly

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 46):
Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):
Israel has won the Intifada; Their economy is booming; Tourism is back to pre-2000 levels, so that doesn't surprise me. Out of curiousity, how do most Brits view the idea of travelling to the Holy Land for fun? And Tel Aviv is not the capital...

It won the Intifada?! So the 2.5m Palestinians have all accepted Israel's existence on their land?! Are you insane?! As an aside, "tourism" may be high but it's all of a rather political nature, I mean, going to Spain or Greece to lie on the beach for two weeks isn't really a political statement, but everyone who goes to Israel to lie on the beach are Jewish or, increasingly, Evangelical Christians and they're choosing Israel as a leisure destination in a very pointed, overt way. And this is very much with the direct involvement of the Israeli gov't; all the Jews I know who go to Israel get travel grants,

Mate, its a useless argument. I understand what you mean by this 100% but this logic is not the same here in the USA.
 
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:20 pm

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 46):
I wonder what percentage of "tourists" are neither Jewish nor born again Christians? 2%?

Figures for 2005 (by religion):

Jews: 43%
Catholics: 18%
Protestants: 12%
Other Christians: 12%
Moslems: 2%
Agnostics/Atheists: 10%
Others: 3%

By origin:

Europe: 55%
Americas: 34%
Asia: 8%
Africa 3%
Australia and Oceania: 1%

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 46):
picking up half the cost of your plane ticket

Has nothing to do with Israel (except the Taglit program for the Jewish youth in North America), but rather , as you have mentioned yourself, with Jewish communities in Diaspora, so cut your nonsense and try to study the actual figures and info before posting.
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RE: Vacation In Israel

Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting Lindy (Reply 40):
And that was exactly my point when I asked the question earlier! But Mr. LY7E7 opened pandora box for no reason.

BS. Your question was more loaded than a one year old's diapers.

I've always wanted to go to Israel as well, but have always ended up traveling elsewhere instead. I had a good Lebanese friend who invited me to join him visiting his family in Beirut after the pullout. I was dumb enough to ask if we could drive to Israel for a week also!
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