Pe@rson
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Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:29 am

I have heard that learning Spanish is, if you are English speaker, relatively easy. Is this true?
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:32 am

Yeah, I started to learn Spanish a couple of years ago and picked it up quite easy. I have some learning materials if you want them if you're looking to start leaning it.
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:32 am

speaking it, yes that is easy


learning it, not so easy
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:45 am

I thought it was pretty easy but that might have had something to do with knowing French. A lot of the roots are the same and you eventually begin to develop an insight for the tenses and what makes sense and what doesn't.
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:55 am

Thanks.  Smile

Thanks for the offer, Sunshine. If I decide to do it'll, I'll let ya know.
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:59 am

El problema es que generalmente los gringos hablan un dialecto horible, no importa cuantos a�os practican. Bueno, lo mismo pasa con los latinos que hablan ingles.

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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:09 am

Would it be easy for people over 50? I need a new challenge....
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:39 am

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
Bueno, lo mismo pasa con los latinos que hablan ingles.

You can say that again...and again...and again...and again...and again. Just come to Los Angeles if you don't believe me.
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:00 am

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
El problema es que generalmente los gringos hablan un dialecto horible, no importa cuantos años practican.

 yes 

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
Bueno, lo mismo pasa con los latinos que hablan ingles.

Hey, I take offense at that! I've been told I could pass for a native English speaker.  Wink
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:13 am

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 5):
Bueno, lo mismo pasa con los latinos que hablan ingles.

I actually think it is easier for us Latinos to hide our accent when speaking English, than for English/US/Commonwealth people when speaking Spanish. I know some people here in Argentina whose English is simply perfect, and you wouldn't realize they are from here through their accent. On the other hand, people whose mother tongue is English may have a hard time...

James - Spanish is a very simple language. There are rules and we follow them, except for very few exceptions. I take it you will learn Spain's Spanish. Well, there are some difference with Latin American Spanish, but those are quite easy to manage. Pretty much like English, no matter which Spanish you speak you will make yourself understand without any trouble everywhere in Latin America. Learning Spanish is the gateway not only to more than 330 million people, but also to a really extensive literature, which goes from Cervantes to Gabriel García Márquez and Jorge Luis Borges and many, many others. Besides, speaking Spanish gives you some extra points when applying for a job!

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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:10 am

I've previously considered learning spanish. I dislike being a typical brit who can only speak english. I bought some CD-ROM that is supposed to teach me spanish, but I didn't really stick at it. What is the most effective way of learning it?
 
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:05 pm

I'm teaching myself at the moment, and I have several good friends that are native spanish speakers. Needless to say I'm learning 'proper' Spanish, not the stuff they speak in Spain..... Wink
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:02 pm

I took Spanish all throughout high school and my best friends are from Puerto Rico, Dominican Republic and Colombia. It's easy to pick up, but it can be tricky at times. What I mean by that is some words in spanish (mainly slang) can have different meanings depending on "where" you use it. My friends have said that some words will mean something different if you use it in Puerto Rico vs using it in Mexico, etc.

I've always had a lil trouble when coverting a verb into future or past tense.
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:02 pm

The problem is that Spanish has so many different tenses and forms. (imperfect, past, present, present progressive...). If you speak it on the plainest level people will probably still understand you, but it takes a whole lot of practice to speak perfectly.

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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:17 pm

Quoting Iah744 (Reply 2):
speaking it, yes that is easy


learning it, not so easy

actually, that's the OTHER way around.......

It is easy to learn all the words and grammatical rules but when it comes time to put words together into sentences....it can get tricky but definetly not impossible.

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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:40 pm

I learned a few words and sentences from this site.

http://www.notam02.no/~hcholm/altlang/ht/Spanish.1.html
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:30 pm

Dos curvesas por favor senior! Big grin

What more do you need ffs!! Big grin

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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:49 pm

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 16):
Dos curvesas por favor senior!

What more do you need ffs!!

Too bad it's "¡Dos cervezas, por favor señor!"  Silly

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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:02 pm

Quoting Marambio (Reply 17):
"¡Dos cervezas, por favor señor!"

Even more, who else besides a non native Spanish speaker would add "señor" at the end of the sentence!!! Big grin

Native speakers would only say "Dos cervezas por favor", regardless of whom you are addressing.
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:18 pm

I have been living here in Mexico for 6 months, and before I came I really did not know or understand spanish. And it is relatively easy and I am impressed that i can speak pretty ok now. But there is no way I can speak like a latin american, I have alot more to learn. Spanish has somewhere in the region of 15 tenses, to learn and use them properly takes some practice. To speak it without a strange accent also takes practice. Sorry to say, but Americans sometimes really find that difficult. It is almost like they are pronouncing the spanish word in american english. I am not a native mexican but I can notice it..  Smile

In any event, the good thing about spanish is that once you have been exposed to it for a bit, reading spanish literature or watching latin american movies is pretty eas. You may not understand every single word as you would if it was english but you will get probably a bit more than just the general gist of whats happening. Secondly, the how it is pronounced is how it is spelt rule helps alot. English is really messed up in that area. I travelled through a few US cities last month, and I tell you, the US or some cities in particular are almost bilingual. It was the first languange I heard when i landed in DFW, MIA and JFK. Learning spanish is great idea...
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:58 pm

Quoting Marambio (Reply 17):
Too bad it's "¡Dos cervezas, por favor señor!"



Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 18):
Even more, who else besides a non native Spanish speaker would add "señor" at the end of the sentence!!!

Hey, it worked for me in Mexico! Big grin Picky, picky - I never said I could spell either! LMAO! Big grin

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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:31 pm

Thanks a bunch, folks!  Smile

Quoting Marambio (Reply 9):
I take it you will learn Spain's Spanish.

Well, I'm a firm believer in learning a language in a country which speaks it. So, I could go to Spain, or almost all of South America, or Central America. I would, at this stage, most like Guatemala (Central America): it's cheap (I can get language learning, accommodation and three meals/day for $150/week, or £85/week, at a well-regarded language school); it's exciting; it's great.  Smile Perhaps 2-3 months would do initially to get a good grasp. Who knows?
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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:30 pm

I can't say much in Spanish at the moment bar some ordering and the usual greetings. I think the following is about the best so far: Un café con leche y un Coque por favor. Gracias. I know some random words, like sol, sombra, etc., etc.

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RE: Learning Spanish

Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:14 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 21):

Well, I'm a firm believer in learning a language in a country which speaks it. So, I could go to Spain, or almost all of South America, or Central America. I would, at this stage, most like Guatemala (Central America): it's cheap (I can get language learning, accommodation and three meals/day for $150/week, or £85/week, at a well-regarded language school); it's exciting; it's great. Smile Perhaps 2-3 months would do initially to get a good grasp. Who knows?

Why don't you try Margarita Island in Venezuela? Caribbean sun and beaches, plus mountains/jungle, duty free island, extremely cheap living, hot Venezuelan Girls and in case you feel the need to hang out with fellow Britons or Europens, there are plenty of them owning little hotels around the island. Excel Airways flies 2X weekly from Manchester and LGW.

Quoting YoungFlyer (Reply 13):
The problem is that Spanish has so many different tenses and forms. (imperfect, past, present, present progressive...). If you speak it on the plainest level people will probably still understand you, but it takes a whole lot of practice to speak perfectly.

Completely true. I failed Spanish Grammar when I had to take it back in 8th and 9th grade, but the good part was that I got high grades in the Literature part of the course so at the end I passed Spanish in both 8th and 9th grade. Spanish Grammar is such a mess.... Thankfully it is my mother tongue and I'm able to speak it fluently.

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RE: Learning Spanish

Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:18 am

The most fun way to learn any language I think is total immersion. I moved my kid, my dog and my life savings to Spain several years ago to start a business on an abandoned airport .... it was quite remote and not many people in the town spoke any English.... My son learned by going to school, with tutoring on the side and I learned by having a REALLY BIG dictionary which I carried with me every where. It broke the ice with the locals and they jumped in to help me learn. You have to be completely open to humorous criticism.

My Spanish stinks. But by the time I left I had a REALLY LITTLE dictionary.

I found that, "Lo siento muchas, no hablo Espanol, pero tengo un diccionario muy grande!" (forgive my spelling errors....please) and a smile got me started just fine.

I also found that getting really drunk with my chums greatly improved my learning curve....for some reason that always accelerated my language skills..... Big grin 


(Also, that's how I turned my schoolgirl French into something roughly equivilant to conversational French... moved to Corsica for a few months)

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RE: Learning Spanish

Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:58 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Thread starter):
Is this true?

It depends on you.
But I don't think it's exactly "easy".
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RE: Learning Spanish

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting Marambio (Reply 17):
Too bad it's "¡Dos cervezas, por favor señor!"

Except in the tourist areas like Cabo San Lucas or Cancún where we Gringoes would use the useful Spanish verb "fetchar" (to retrieve) like this:

"¡Fetchamé dos cervezas por favor!"

I think Spanish has pretty much the same cases, tenses etc. as English. Lots of native English speakers get these things wrong in their own language, especially in writing. The big difference with Spanish is that verbs, for example really change depending on these things. At my highschool the cheerleaders were taking Spanish and used the conjugation of the verb reir (to laugh) as a cheer. It went: "Ra! Ras! Ra! Ramos! Rais! Ran!" Also adjectives have to agree as to number with nouns, nouns have gender and a few other things that we either don't use or aren't aware of in English. So study of Spanish will probably improve at least your understanding of your own language.

I also believe it would make the study of other languages, especially the Romance languages easier.
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RE: Learning Spanish

Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:29 am

The most important thing is to just communicate, even if sentence structure etc isn't any good. As long as you use most of the right words they will understand & 9/10 times try and help you.
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RE: Learning Spanish

Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:29 pm

I think that conversationally, it isn't too hard to learn, but there are plenty of nitpicky grammar rules that can drive you absolutely nuts.

I'm taking AP Spanish this year, and I'm pulling my hair out over it. For example, we're learning when you use que/quien/donde/cual/lo que/lo cual/cuyo as pronouns in sentences, and I can never get it right.
 
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RE: Learning Spanish

Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 21):
I would, at this stage, most like Guatemala (Central America): it's cheap (I can get language learning, accommodation and three meals/day for $150/week, or £85/week, at a well-regarded language school); it's exciting; it's great.

And it's a wonderful place, the climate is great, the people are friendly--Ok, ok, I'll stop the shameless country promotion now.  Silly

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 26):
I think Spanish has pretty much the same cases, tenses etc. as English.

Actually, when it comes to verb tenses, I found English to be much easier. Of course I know how to conjugate verbs in Spanish and when to use them; just don't ask me the names of the friggin' verb tenses!
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RE: Learning Spanish

Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:33 am

Thanks.  Smile

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