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Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 7:51 am

A socialist doctor and former political prisoner was elected as the country's first female president on Sunday, with her conservative multimillionaire opponent conceding defeat in a race that reflected Latin America's increasingly leftward tilt. First latin american female to be elected president.

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:05 am

The Concertación keeps winning. Piñera didn't even have a chance. At least, we can keep it clear that the government will not intervene in LAN.  Yeah sure

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:07 am

Her father had been murdered and she and her mother had been tortured during the Pinochet regime; She had lived in exile for many years, later returned and was appointed to two successive ministerial posts, defense being the latest.

Congratulations to her, and to Chile for continuing to conquer its painful past.
 
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:09 am

I am waiting for Pat Robertson to call for her assaination. Congratulations to Chile for taking a great step forward.
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:27 am

Indeed, with my humble vote, Michelle will be our first female president. (What will happen with the first lady job???)

Our current President, Ricardo Lagos, will leave the government with more than 70% of popular approval after 6 years, which proves that Chile has some political stability and credibility that many would desire, specially after the dictatorship.

This is the first time in almost 200 years of Republic that the same political alliance will rule the country with no interruption.

Dulce Patria, recibe los votos


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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:39 am

Quoting Alphafloor (Thread starter):
in a race that reflected Latin America's increasingly leftward tilt. First latin american female to be elected president.

Yep, the region is leaning to the left. I'm really worried that Mexico could be next this year. Mr. López Obrador is not a moderate as the new Chilean president elect, he is more alike to Mr. Chavez. As I have posted before, if he gets elected I will move back to the Bay Area way before I originally intended.

BTW, she is not the first woman elected president in Latin America. Nicaragua and Panama elected women as presidents a few years ago.
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:27 am

What's next??A ''national shopping spree''?  Wink Big grin
And how's the husband called? the first man??

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:54 am

On the surface, this sounds like great news to me. I will confess, however, that I know nothing of this woman other than what I read in the link. She is obviously a person of courage and determination. And, for a Socialist to defeat a fat cat rich bastard conservative - that's good news in my book, regardless of where, when, and how. Good luck, Chile - may you prosper in the areas of fairness, health-care, and a lack of corruption.
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:15 am

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 6):
And how's the husband called? the first man??

She's a divorced single mother.
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting Alphafloor (Thread starter):
First latin american female to be elected president.

Wrong.
Isabel Peron, Mireya Moscoso vda. de Arias were Presidents of Argentina and Panama.
BTW, next February 5th., we will celebrate our Presidential election in Costa Rica. Oscar Arias Sanchez, Nobel Peace Price, is the favourite one. And of course my candidate.
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:19 am

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 6):
And how's the husband called?

Ha! she's actually divorced and single mom, as her youngest daughter was born of another relation. AFAIK, we don't have first lady yet... maybe her mother will be in charge

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 7):
hat I know nothing of this woman other than what I read in the link.

She was also the first woman to become Health Secretary and Defense Secretary, both under Lagos' government. Is precisely in this last secretary that she became that popular: even when she was prisoner of the military regime and her father was killed, she was serene enough for ruling the militars and gained all their respect.

Quoting Alphafloor (Thread starter):
First latin american female to be elected president.

As posted, there has been some other latin americans, but I think it's the first time in South America, although Isabel, wife of Peron ruled Argentina after his death. She was never elected president, though

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 1):
will not intervene in LAN

How come you always end up talking about LAN??? It's not healthy, get some psychiatric check!

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:36 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 7):
Good luck, Chile - may you prosper in the areas of fairness, health-care, and a lack of corruption.

I always wonder why those on the left equate socialism with the lack of corruption, when it flourishes just as much in leftist governments as it does in right wing regimes.
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:42 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
I always wonder why those on the left equate socialism with the lack of corruption, when it flourishes just as much in leftist governments as it does in right wing regimes.

It's probably the whole Jorge Dubya Busch thing.  Smile
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:46 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
I always wonder why those on the left equate socialism with the lack of corruption, when it flourishes just as much in leftist governments as it does in right wing regimes.

Source? Statistics?

Perhaps we should let this new administration serve as a model we can all use moving forward. Time will tell. If in fact you are correct, I'd still rather have corruption in power, but the people have equal health-care, and scumbag fat-cats can't make a buck for doing nothing like sitting on the board of an Insurance company.
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:58 am

Quoting Logan22L (Reply 13):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
I always wonder why those on the left equate socialism with the lack of corruption, when it flourishes just as much in leftist governments as it does in right wing regimes.

Source? Statistics?

Perhaps we should let this new administration serve as a model we can all use moving forward. Time will tell. If in fact you are correct, I'd still rather have corruption in power, but the people have equal health-care, and scumbag fat-cats can't make a buck for doing nothing like sitting on the board of an Insurance company.

Where is your source that socialist governments are less prone to corruption than democtatic governments? The Soviet Union was a socialist government, and by the time it finally fell, it was among the most corrupt governments around. I was in the Ukraine recently, where they are still struggling with the vestiges of soviet era corruption.

I wasn't suggesting that the new Chilean government will be corrupt because it is socialist. I was commenting on your suggestion that because it is socialist, it will be not be corrupt. That is patently absurd.
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:00 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
The Soviet Union was a socialist government

"Socialist" in most cases means social democratic, nothing like the stalinist / soviet model you seem to be thinking of.
 
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 10):
How come you always end up talking about LAN??? It's not healthy, get some psychiatric check!

I'll follow you.  Wink. It was somewhat doubtful that Mr. Piñera would keep the Government out, of business with LAN. That was what I was trying to say, you fool  Wink.

I certainly think, that even though I'm not in line with Bachelet's line of thinking, that she is the right person to preside Chile for the next 4 years. It was amazing what Lagos did, too.

Arcano, I am surprised that, in accordance with your "ideology" you didn't vote for Piñera, I'm gratefully surprised, I must say.

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:07 pm

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 6):
the first man??



Quoting AR1300 (Reply 6):
A ''national shopping spree''?

Mike, no. Fortunately there are only ONE pair of Kirchner's in the world. Unfortunately, WE have them.

And if there was to be a Mr. Bachelet, the job would be called "First Citizen"
I see how is the Church going to try to make Michelle Bachelet's life miserable...

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
Where is your source that socialist governments are less prone to corruption than democtatic governments? The Soviet Union was a socialist government, and by the time it finally fell, it was among the most corrupt governments around. I was in the Ukraine recently, where they are still struggling with the vestiges of soviet era corruption.

I wasn't suggesting that the new Chilean government will be corrupt because it is socialist. I was commenting on your suggestion that because it is socialist, it will be not be corrupt. That is patently absurd.

Arcano, please correct me if I'm wrong.
Chile has been under the "Concertación" government for more than 15 years now. I can say, that they have one of the lowest corruption levels if not the lowest, in the whole continent.

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:09 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
"Socialist" in most cases means social democratic, nothing like the stalinist / soviet model you seem to be thinking of.

Thanks, Klaus, exactly what I was going for.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
The Soviet Union was a socialist government, and by the time it finally fell, it was among the most corrupt governments around.

No argument here. I'm talking Sweden, Canada, France, et al. Sure, corruption is a human trait, and has no borders. I'd still rather have health-care for everyone, corrupt gov't or not.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
That is patently absurd

I am far more clever than to be an idiot 24/7, although I have suceeded at being one many times. Your premise is marred.
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:19 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 15):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 14):
The Soviet Union was a socialist government

"Socialist" in most cases means social democratic, nothing like the stalinist / soviet model you seem to be thinking of.

Regardless of which model one talks about, the bottom line is the same. Corruption crosses party lines with ease. Here in the US, the democrats are making great hay with the Abramoff affair - as they should - but if they start suggesting that they are above the fray, I'll offer one Tony Coelho, a former congressman and power broker from California who at least had the common decency to leave office in advance of his nefarious dealings staining hte rest of his party.

For those that may have forgotten, Coelho is the father of the vast and ethics-flouting Democratic money machine in the 1980's. As head of the democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in the 1980s, Coelho set a new standard in fundraising and strongarming, becoming the very model of a political shakedown artist. He made the party rich, but in 1989 was forced to leave the House under a cloud of financial scandal.
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:30 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 16):
Arcano, I am surprised that, in accordance with your "ideology" you didn't vote for Piñera, I'm gratefully surprised, I must say.

jajajajaja, why is that? do I sound too "right wing" or because of LAN?
Actually, I'm pro concertacion, and I don't like Pinera. In fact, in first round, when I realizes that there would be a second round, I didn't voted for Bachelet but for Lavin, to prevent Pinera to advance. As you can see, I lost my vote...
Besides, as Lagos did, Bachelet will also support private capitals and open economy, as we all love!

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 17):
Arcano, please correct me if I'm wrong.

No my friend, you're right: Concertacion has ruled since the return of democracy in 1990 and Chile shows by far the lowest corruption level of Latin America, ranking about 15 in the world next to USA and Israel.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 11):
I always wonder why those on the left equate socialism with the lack of corruption, when it flourishes just as much in leftist governments as it does in right wing regimes.

Actually, it has more to do with political system than with left of right wings. You know, Pinochet regime had still some supporters, that even justified some of the human rights violations under the argument of a non declared civil war that prevailed in the country under Allende's government in 1973.
But know, after the Riggs Bank investigation the people realized that Pinochet stole money (about 20 millions dollars, almost nothing compared to other dictators), and that was it, most of his supporters just abandoned Pinochet. One thing is "war", but nothing, nothing justifies a president stealing in the eyes of Chilean.

Many people has said that this is probably one of the few countries were Presidents traditionally end their period poorer than they were at the beginning! We just don't tolerate corruption.
How many countries you know were police is one of the most respected and admired public institutions, as our police is?

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:19 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 17):
Mike, no. Fortunately there are only ONE pair of Kirchner's in the world. Unfortunately, WE have them.

I'll have to say that I'm not really very akin of him, but has been from the best we had lately , overall.I think I'll vote next time.
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Quoting Arcano (Reply 10):
.. maybe her mother will be in charge

 crazy Imagine!!!Poor chileans when the Govt house's phone bill arrives!!
You'll need a lot of IMF help.3 gals in the couch....(plus that daughter...)
Sorry for you guys!There goes your tax money.And to make up.And clothes.And that new juicer.And the new washing machine.... Big grin


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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:01 pm

There are reasons why Latin America is the way it is. The last thing we need is a left leaning Latin American socialist government.

God help us! And them!


I found this interesting. "A 22-year-old medical student at the time, Bachelet was also arrested along with her mother and later forced into five years of exile, first in Australia, then in communist East Germany. She married a fellow Chilean exile while in East Germany. Back in Chile, they separated, and she had a third child from a new relationship."

Hmmmm East Germany. Now I wonder what she learned there? Hmmmmm????
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:21 pm

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 21):
I'll have to say that I'm not really very akin of him, but has been from the best we had lately , overall.I think I'll vote next time.
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¿Vas a votar a ESO?  crazy  ¡Shemá Israel! Under your logic, you should have voted for Menem in 2003 because we already knew him. If you want somebody with about the same ideology but who is way more respectable, try former Rosario mayor Hermes Binner - that guy has my vote.

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:30 pm

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 22):
There are reasons why Latin America is the way it is. The last thing we need is a left leaning Latin American socialist government.

Yea, let me guess... And no I'm no socialist, unfortunately for the purposes of this thread. But as usual the same condescending attitude that 'the US can have a left', but Chile (in this case), can't, arises from Northamericans.

The Chilean left of what is called 'concertacion' (why it's called that I don't know), is not very different from the democratic party of the US. Chile and the US have had very good relations under this 'leftist' ruling period. Now you may not agree with their views, but from that to leap to 'East Germany', shows a bit of sensationalist zeal which quite frankly is unwarranted.

Is Chavez a worry? For sure, he needs to be dealt with. The best way would be for the world to end it's dependency on oil, so many problems would be solved (Iran).

But instead of worrying about Bachelet, I'd worry about Ollanta Humala in Peru. Believe it or not, he might be worse than Chavez because he has radical nationalist views about Peru, and what in fact some would even consider 'racist' views about non-Incas.
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:32 pm

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 21):
I'll have to say that I'm not really very akin of him, but has been from the best we had lately , overall.I think I'll vote next time.
Mas vale malo conocido que bueno por conocer...

EEP! Vade retro! Sheezus, Mike - don't tell me you did vote for Menem in 2003.
Hermes Binner is a respectable guy, someone that does everything according to promised. He did a splendid work in ROS [you can't see it, you need to explore ROS a little bit], and he is acting up in accordance to a serious opposing party - not like when the Justicialista is not in office.
I am sure you are aware of all the achievements the government has reached, right?...

Quoting Arcano (Reply 20):
jajajajaja, why is that? do I sound too "right wing" or because of LAN?

Funny you asked ME that?   Yes, my friend - you do sound too right wing, that's why I'm amazed. I'm centrist right, but wouldn't have voted for Piñera, he just doesn't seem right.

Quoting Derico (Reply 24):
The Chilean left of what is called 'concertacion' (why it's called that I don't know),

It's because "Concertación" stands for "agreement" or a coalition between serveral political parties. Great post, Derico.

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:34 pm

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 25):
Mike - don't tell me you did vote for Menem in 2003.

Nope.I voted for lopez murphy.
But I don't know politics anyways, just have a vague idea....

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 25):
Hermes Binner is a respectable guy, someone that does everything according to promised. He did a splendid work in ROS [you can't see it, you need to explore ROS a little bit], and he is acting up in accordance to a serious opposing party - not like when the Justicialista is not in office.

Quien???


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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:50 pm

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 26):
Quien???

Here you are: http://www.hermesbinner.com.ar

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 4:02 pm

Quoting Marambio (Reply 27):
Here you are: http://www.hermesbinner.com.ar

gracias.Quite interesting, nonetheless....

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:01 pm

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 9):
Quoting Alphafloor (Thread starter):
First latin american female to be elected president.

Wrong.
Isabel Peron, Mireya Moscoso vda. de Arias were Presidents of Argentina and Panama.



Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 5):
BTW, she is not the first woman elected president in Latin America. Nicaragua and Panama elected women as presidents a few years ago.

They were also elected presidents by a democratic vote ?
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:07 pm

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 22):
Hmmmm East Germany. Now I wonder what she learned there? Hmmmmm????

Our chancellor Merkel is also from former East Germany...does that make her socialist?
 
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:04 am

Quoting Alphafloor (Reply 29):
They were also elected presidents by a democratic vote ?

Yes. Mrs. Martinez de Perón was Perón's Vice-president, until he died in 1974. Then she became acting president. Mrs. Moscoso, was elected in 2000 - I believe. Let's not forget Nicaraguan president Violeta Barrios de Chamorro.

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:12 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 31):
Yes. Mrs. Martinez de Perón was Perón's Vice-president, until he died in 1974. Then she became acting president.

But that sounds like she was not elected as president by the people with votes.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 31):
Mrs. Moscoso, was elected in 2000 - I believe. Let's not forget Nicaraguan president Violeta Barrios de Chamorro.

Ok, maybe I should have said "South America" instead of latin america.
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting Alphafloor (Reply 32):
But that sounds like she was not elected as president by the people with votes.

When you elect a President, you elect its vice-president too, at least in this country. The Formula as we call it here was "Perón-Perón". It was famous around the world, so, she was elected by popular vote.

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:19 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):
Regardless of which model one talks about, the bottom line is the same.

No, it's not. Social democrats are first and foremost democrats. The stalinist / soviet approach is authoritarian and absolutist. Economically, social democrats attempt to complement the market economy with a social framework, while the soviet-style approach is to preclude any kind of market economy.

When you're used to using "socialist" merely as a dirty word you're missing essential distinctions. The soviet model has crashed and burned, but social democracy is alive and kicking!

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):
Corruption crosses party lines with ease.

Agree in principle, although the extent and kind of corruption is usually different, depending on the respective local circumstances.

Quoting Racko (Reply 30):
Our chancellor Merkel is also from former East Germany...does that make her socialist?

Good point... although even being the chairwoman of the german conservative CDU still leaves her somewhat to the left of the US Democrats in many (but not all) respects.
 
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:21 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 33):
When you elect a President, you elect its vice-president too, at least in this country. The Formula as we call it here was "Perón-Perón". It was famous around the world, so, she was elected by popular vote.

I understand and I knew the process but... I'm not convinced about the explanation.
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting Alphafloor (Reply 35):
I understand and I knew the process but... I'm not convinced about the explanation.

Well, if she was to be president, like Mr. Duhalde was - elected by the Constitutional assembly, that took place when Mr. De la Rua, Rodriguez Saa, Puerta and Caamaño resigned to the presidency of the Argentine Republic, then she wouldn't be counted as the first elected president - but she WAS indeed elected to serve functions as the Vice President of the nation, therefore, if something happened to the president - as it did, she would be the president of the Republic. She is, all in all - elected to preside the nation, whenever the president is outside of the country or something has happened to him. That, and being the president of the Senate, is the main function of the Vice President in this country.

Let me clarify, this is not undermine Ms. Bachelet, which I find a very intelligent woman, and superb human being. She's really qualified for this job, and I wish the best for Chile.
I'm just trying to get some word confusion, out of the way.

But YES - Michelle Bachelet was the first woman TO BE ELECTED PRESIDENT, in South America, but certainly not the first female president.

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:30 am

Quoting Derico (Reply 24):
But instead of worrying about Bachelet, I'd worry about Ollanta Humala in Peru. Believe it or not, he might be worse than Chavez because he has radical nationalist views about Peru, and what in fact some would even consider 'racist' views about non-Incas.

I was going to make this point before Derico beat me to it! Chile is not Peru or Venezuela or Bolivia and Ms. Bachelet is NOT Chavez or E.Morales. She has already served in two cabinet positions and is widely respected by her peers. Chile will continue the liberalization of its economy and hold its position as the most open, most transparent [as in, least corrupt] nation in Latin America affording the strongest institutional stability to its citizens and investors.

I believe the real danger lies in Peru's elections this April. Humala has been openly-supported by Chavez and holds strong nationalist views claiming the racial superiority of the Native American/Indian race. There is an interesting article in today's issue of The Wall Street Journal describing Humala and the risks he poses for Peru.

An Humala victory would be disastrous for Peru and its long-suffering people.
 
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:33 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 36):
But YES - Michelle Bachelet was the first woman TO BE ELECTED PRESIDENT, in South America, but certainly not the first female president.

OK, here we are ! That was my point here.

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 37):
I was going to make this point before Derico beat me to it! Chile is not Peru or Venezuela or Bolivia and Ms. Bachelet is NOT Chavez or E.Morales.

The US media talks about 'Latin America PLUNGES left', or things like that, when facts in fact are more ambiguous and not so fatalistic. But the US media is subject to propaganda (both left and right), so it's not a very trustworthy medium.

In fact, Chile has a free trade with the United States. So will Ecuador, Colombia, and Peru. Uruguay is seeking a Free Trade pact with the US, as is probably Paraguay which is allowing US troops in it's territory. Who knows, maybe even Bolivia. Central America now will have free trade with the US. Mexico ditto. Does that sound 'socialist' to anyone? Look how many countries seek relations with the US, and many of the ones above are being ruled by LEFTIST governments. How can that be? Well it is!

In reality, only Brazil & Argentina have historically been against free trade with the US. Brazil wants to be a world power to counter the US, and Argentina has always counter-balanced US policy in Latin America anyways, since the 1900s.

And both countries know that the US is not interested in free trade but only in selling it's products in the two largest South American economies, but not allowing the agricultural and industrial products of Brazil and Argentina to be sold in the United States. Is that FREE TRADE? That's why the US will never get free trade with neither.
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:55 am

Quoting Racko (Reply 30):
Our chancellor Merkel is also from former East Germany...does that make her socialist?

Haha. Only if she says she is!
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 9):
Oscar Arias Sanchez, Nobel Peace Price, is the favourite one. And of course my candidate.

none of them is good...come on if only we got new candidates, new faces..
Oscar Arias is unsing is nobel Prize to get elected...
you'll see if calderon is liberated he'll be the next one who will try to become president


By the way...Pepillo lives like 10 km away from me !
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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:26 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 22):
is. The last thing we need is a left leaning Latin American socialist government.

I hate how Americans are brainwashed onsocialists..they think they are communist!

As a socialist let me give you my definition of socialist(or at least what it is here in Switzerland )

Its one that gives priority on Education, health services and and help out those in needs with allocations as well as families...
Here right winged aprties think really only about Economics, money making more money

A good example is a debate there was about Euthanasia...well...both a right wing deputee and a left wing deputee were favourable to it
The leftist sais it was good to put an end to people's suffering, to let them rest in peace and not have to stand pain for a long time....
however the rightist said she was favourable to euthanasia because "They cost a lot to society"...that's not very human is it?

so please stop thinking Socialism is evill....its not...in the US everyone would have an insurance it it were a bit more left winged !!! and I'm sure they would be a lot less homless people

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RE: Socialist Bachelet Wins Chilean Presidency

Tue Jan 17, 2006 3:56 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 5):
As I have posted before, if he gets elected I will move back to the Bay Area way before I originally intended.

Ah yes! Moving to that hotbed of conversatism will solve all of your problems, won't it?  Yeah sure
What are you waiting for anyway? Why don't you - in the ways of your Lord and Master - preempt the possibility and move right away?

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 5):
TW, she is not the first woman elected president in Latin America.

You're right there.

But, I believe she is the first one who did not follow a husband or father into office. And that is even more commendable.

There have been very few women in the world's history who have made it to the political top of their country without relying on family connections.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 10):
It's not healthy, get some psychiatric check!

He he! What do you have to say Gaston?

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