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Expose 'radical' Ucla Teacher, Get $100

Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:07 pm

LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- An alumni group dedicated to "exposing the most radical professors" at the University of California at Los Angeles is offering to pay students $100 to record classroom lectures of suspect faculty.

The Web site of the Bruin Alumni Association also includes a "Dirty Thirty" list of professors considered by the group to be the most extreme left-wing members of the UCLA faculty, as well as profiles on their political activities and writings


http://www.cnn.com/2006/EDUCATION/01/19/ucla.radicals.reut/index.html


This is truely sick. What the F*&CK are these right wing looney birds so afraid of?
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:11 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
This is truely sick. What the F*&CK are these right wing looney birds so afraid of?

What is the left so afraid of? If I was a liberal member of the UCLA faculty, I WANT to be a member of the "dirty thirty" because I'd be passionate in defending my beliefs.

While I agree that to the extent that this alumni group urges students to violate university rules and regulations, they should cease this practice, the efforts by the chancellor to fight the alumni group seem to be just bit over the top. I see nothing wrong with discussions aimed at the promotion of respectful political discourse on any college campus, and I see nothing wrong with exposing "academics" who proselytize students - instead of educating them - from either side of the ideological spectrum, conservative or liberal.

Maybe the reason UCLA professors are upset and are angry at the publicity is because they aren't teaching, they are indoctrinating.....

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Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 1):
Maybe the reason they don't want to have the publicity is because they aren't teaching, they are indoctrinating.....

BS. The right hates the educated population. If you don't believe it, just listen to Rush.

They are teaching, teaching people to think, not just obey.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:17 pm

Is attempting to collect information on the people educating our youth sick?

Website in question: http://www.uclaprofs.com/profs/profsindex.html

If these profiles are true, quite a few of them are in need of ethics reviews
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:18 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
BS. The right hates the educated population. If you don't believe it, just listen to Rush.

Since I work for a living, I don't have time - or inclination - to listen to Rush.  biggrin 
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:56 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
BS. The right hates the educated population.

C'mon Clipper, please don't tell me that you buy into that. You're a smart guy, but I think your anger is getting the best of you. On most college campus', the left-wing propaganda machine is in complete control of most college and universities. Just visit them, and not just the Ivy League ones.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
They are teaching, teaching people to think, not just obey.

They're left wing agenda is ahrdly the reason behind that. Those who think for themselves, and not like robots on the campus of UCLA, are most likely conservatives.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 1):
Maybe the reason UCLA professors are upset and are angry at the publicity is because they aren't teaching, they are indoctrinating.....

That's thy way I see it. Using lectures to coerce the opinion of the academia in today's collegiate enviroment is what they're doing.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
What the F*&CK are these right wing looney birds so afraid of?

The same could be said for corndogs on the left
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:42 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 5):
That's thy way I see it. Using lectures to coerce the opinion of the academia in today's collegiate enviroment is what they're doing.

As someone who goes to school at USC (which I would assume is more conservative than UCLA, though I don't know for sure), I just don't see this. My professors generally don't even get into politics at all. And if they do, they have not preached a certain view. The vast majority of them have presented multiple viewpoints and encouraged debate.

The only professors who have somewhat skewed viewpoints are the ones who work in industry and teach on the side. But then again, their viewpoint is particularly useful (whether I agree with it or not), because I'll probably be in their shoes before too long.

Yeah, I suppose the liberals on college campuses tend to be more vocal. But who the hell cares? I'm 23, and I don't think I've had enough real-life (non-college) experience to really know my exact political stance. Personally, I wouldn't even listen to myself at this stage.

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Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:43 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 4):
Rush

You have piss poor taste in music if you hate rush.

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Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:55 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 5):
Those who think for themselves, and not like robots on the campus of UCLA, are most likely conservatives.

This was worth a good laugh.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 7):
You have piss poor taste in music if you hate rush.

Yes!

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 5):
That's thy way I see it. Using lectures to coerce the opinion of the academia in today's collegiate enviroment is what they're doing.

Lectures are to provoke thought and reaction, not absolution in thought. That's why you have so many assignments and papers where you are to either...

1. Argue for

or
2. Argue against
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:03 pm

These jackasses are modern-day Joe McCarthy's, nothing more. They don't want balance in education; they simply want conservatives in every position.
They want their own indoctrination to be the rule of the day, that's all.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:17 pm

The lectern is a bully-pulpit. A professor has a natural authority and thus can influence his open-minded charges. I had a great professor who happened to be a red feminist -- boy was she fun to tease-- and I called her out one day for repeatedly showering us, while lecturing, with her irrelevant political and feministic opinions. She herself agreed that it really wasn't appropriate. Funny thing was, that not only was she really a feminist, she was really hot too. And, as she would go off on her feministic/socialistic ramblings, all of us guys in the class would daydream about going off with her. I don't think she ever really swayed us, even though she certainly did move us. Professors should not preach their own political beliefs, unless it is relevant and adds to a discussion. It's a little subversive in a way, because I would bet most the students attending the top schools are coming from republican households--they are biting the hand that feeds them! And the hand, apparently, is not happy. So, maybe they better stop talking to those faces.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:17 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
These jackasses are modern-day Joe McCarthy's, nothing more. They don't want balance in education; they simply want conservatives in every position.
They want their own indoctrination to be the rule of the day, that's all.

That's not true and you know it, Falcon.
All most conservatives want is balance. In my day, those liberal professors tried to introduce pro-liberal political talking points in Calculus, Physics, and Organic Chemistry. What the hell does Organic Chemistry have to do with the Democratic party?

Academia is usually one of the most stifling areas of thought and marching lockstep with far left elements of society.

Cornel West, Ward Churchill, et. al are not the exception, ok?

I feel that colleges need to be de-politicized and not be instruments of either the liberals or conservatives. They need to be places where students study, discover themselves, and socialize, all without any political indoctrination of any kind whatsoever.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:20 pm

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 11):
All most conservatives want is balance. In

Bullshit. That's not they want. They want the control themselves. Isn't the way they cut off debate in the House of Reps and not allow minority participation enough for you to see that?

They're not interested in balance; they're interested in right-wing indoctrination.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:21 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
They don't want balance in education; they simply want conservatives in every position.

agreed.

free thinkers, particuarly left free thinkers, are such terrorists against the right wing agenda.

and remember, "We're either with them or against them."
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:04 pm

Is your hatred of the right so pervasive you are not willing or able to see the left wing politburo mentality of most college campuses, Falcon?

Ever visited Berkeley, Austin, Ann Arbor, or almost any state college?
Ever visited the Ivy leagues or other private campuses?

The left completely dominates the campuses with no opportunity for dissent.
There has been so many stories on TV and print about students who are blackballed, harassed and even given lower scores simply because they presented conservative views.

I have said above on my previous statements about how politics need to be taken out of public institutions such as colleges and let students come up with their own ideas. I guess that's not good enough for you, Falcon. To deny that the left wing herd mentality does not exist is simply a fallacy. To imply that conservatives want to take over the colleges is simply hilarious.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:09 pm

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 14):
To imply that conservatives want to take over the colleges is simply hilarious.

No, it'd be a dream come true for them.

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 14):
There has been so many stories on TV and print about students who are blackballed, harassed and even given lower scores simply because they presented conservative views.

Were these papers or stations owned by Sinclair?
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:17 pm

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 14):
Is your hatred of the right so pervasive you are not willing or able to see the left wing politburo mentality of most college campuses, Falcon?

If you're going to throw around words like "politburo" in your arguement, you can just stop arguing right there. Is your hatred of the right so pervasive that you look upon those who are liberal as communists? Give me a freaking break.

Truth is, many on the right want control of the intellectual direction of this country, which, basically means tossing science out the window, and getting rid of anything that is remotely liberal in academic life. Basically, it means taking education back to the dark ages.

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 14):
I have said above on my previous statements about how politics need to be taken out of public institutions such as colleges and let students come up with their own ideas

Fine, then you should be on the front line, telling these right-wing alumin groups to fuck off, and leave it to the students. And guess what? I went to a college that is fairly liberal, and guess what? I didn't see any ranting and raving against the right; Ronald Reagan visited the school, and I saw him speak; there were no "blackball" lists against students. Sorry, but I think a lot of that is in your own conservative mind, to be honest.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 15):
Quoting Texdravid (Reply 14):
There has been so many stories on TV and print about students who are blackballed, harassed and even given lower scores simply because they presented conservative views.

Were these papers or stations owned by Sinclair?

A good indication of what happens when the right takes over something. In the place of debate, you get censorship.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:32 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
Fine, then you should be on the front line, telling these right-wing alumin groups to fuck off, and leave it to the students

Yeah, the big problem is those rowdy, right wing alumni.

Don't you wish you could spell alumni as well as you spell your profanities?

Man, Falcon, you must be losing it. To completely deny that colleges and their professors have a left wing bias is incredible.

To state that the only thing to do on campus is to get rid of so called "right wing alumni" is hardly a solution. To state that conservatives are the boogeymen on campus is delusional and a complete falsehood.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:48 pm

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 17):
To completely deny that colleges and their professors have a left wing bias is incredible.

Wow, so now we're moving into a realm that colleges and their professors are automatically guilty of having a left wing bias and therefore are enemies of the state, just the same as our beloved terrorist cronies, and of course, those innocents who just happened to fit a "profile." I love what this administration and this way of thinking has done for our people. Just love it.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:49 pm

This is the most ridiculous argument I might have ever read on here (and though I haven't responded to most, I've read many).

Maybe colleges are more liberal than conservative. So what? There's never going to be a 50/50 split in ANY institution EVER. If colleges are more liberal than conservative (it might be true, but I won't definitely support it), maybe there's a reason for that. I'd postulate that a great reason for it is that people from 18-22 or so just outgrew their teens, are getting their first taste of real freedom, want to experiment, and therefore are more likely to be liberal. Like I already said, how much do you know about the whole world when you're in the cocoon of college?

It'd be interesting to hear from more people who are in college today. I, myself, have not been influenced politically at all by my professors, other than being influenced to have an open mind. An open mind....think about that one.

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Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:50 pm

Could the reverse work at Bob Jones U.?

I think this is another prime example of what happens when the USofA becomes a defacto one-party state. The right wing runs all branches of government, and now they are feeling their oats and attempting to consolidate their gains by snuffing out all opposition bit by bit.

If I was a prof at UCLA today I would instruct all my students to join this group, have them bring cameras and recording devices to class and then go off on the biggest rant against the Dear Leader. All this so that they could all collect the $100.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:33 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
If you're going to throw around words like "politburo" in your arguement, you can just stop arguing right there. Is your hatred of the right so pervasive that you look upon those who are liberal as communists? Give me a freaking break

Falcon, how are statements like yours any different? Statements like "These jackasses are modern-day Joe McCarthy's, nothing more" are mirror images of the statements you so loudly criticize.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 18):
Wow, so now we're moving into a realm that colleges and their professors are automatically guilty of having a left wing bias and therefore are enemies of the state, just the same as our beloved terrorist cronies, and of course, those innocents who just happened to fit a "profile." I love what this administration and this way of thinking has done for our people. Just love it.

Not at all. I wouldn't want a college campus to be all conservative any more than I'd want it to be all liberal. And the distribution doesn't bother me, either. What does bother me is that my tax dollars are being given to people who indoctrinate and proselytize their particular point of view, regardless of whether it is liberal or conservative. College should be a hotbed of education, not recruitment for the left or the right.

What's so wrong about asking college professors to simply teach their students HOW to think, instead of WHAT to think?
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:36 pm

Expose student who gets F and then blames teacher for "radical" views.

Feel really, really good about yourself !

Beats a lousy $ 100 any day.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):
What's so wrong about asking college professors to simply teach their students HOW to think, instead of WHAT to think?

As a recent college graduate, I can attest with Vik that's how my experience was while I was there. I was a double major where one program had a strong lean to the right (almost every student there had a military connection, etc.,) but we all had tons of fun having our own intra-student discussions and debates about issues of this and that.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 10:45 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
This is truely sick. What the F*&CK are these right wing looney birds so afraid of?

Whoa.....dude, relax and think this through for a minute. There is an alumni group that wants to take issue with the substance of the material being taught by professors. That's what alumni do. They donate, they support, and they send their kids.....and they ought to take an interest in what the professors are teaching. There are plenty of examples of out of control college professors that demonstrate that the looneys are not necessarily all on the one side.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
BS. The right hates the educated population.

I take that as a personal insult, since I consider myself fairly well educated. You are insinuating that everyone on the right is uneducated and bigoted against those that are. Do you want to rephrase?

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
They are teaching, teaching people to think, not just obey

You don't know what they are teaching unless you either went there or have made a case study of the issue (which it appears that this group is attempting to do, albeit with unorthodox methodology probably forced upon them by a group of tenured individuals not used to having any form of real oversight).

Quoting STLGph (Reply 8):
Lectures are to provoke thought and reaction, not absolution in thought. That's why you have so many assignments and papers where you are to either...

1. Argue for

or
2. Argue against

Yeah, then how do you explain professors like my sophomore sociology prof who told me I could not write a paper on national health care because she did not think we'd agree? Seriously.

We aren't talking about all, or even most professors, but the most vocal and intolerant of the far left (or right if you can find one outside of Bob Jones U) who crush dissent by punishing students who voice differing views or ask uncomfortable questions. These are people who use their bully pulpit to sway the youth, and force them to accept as fact much which is opinion.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
These jackasses are modern-day Joe McCarthy's, nothing more. They don't want balance in education; they simply want conservatives in every position.

Stop it. Don't start making assumptions like that when you don't have all the facts. Do you really feel that there is balance in education today?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
They want their own indoctrination to be the rule of the day, that's all.

I don't think so, but if they are for indoctrination in one side of the matter only then I'm against them. I get the impression they are acting in response to what they see as one sided indoctrination and are as mad about that as you are about what you feel you understand on this situation.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 24):
They donate, they support, and they send their kids.....and they ought to take an interest in what the professors are teaching. There are plenty of examples of out of control college professors that demonstrate that the looneys are not necessarily all on the one side.

Sure enough. I've had my share of annoying lefty professors who remain trapped in Angela Davis' big ol' fro. However, many of these professors also taught electives that one could choose not to take.

However, sadly enough, however history has shown lots of conservative alumni groups who want no deviation from their own beliefs, and from the world that they grew up in. Many of the ivy league schools faced the wrath of such alumni groups when they began to admit Jews and women. When these groups discovered that their threats of withholding donations didn't work, they tried other modes of influence. Interestingly enough, UCLA and the UC system in general are so well funded, that they really don't need the $$$ from donors whose donations come with caveats. Having failed to influence the school through such threats, this group is trotting out this new threat.

Its interesting that many of the group's board members such as James Rogan have resigned in reaction to these tactics.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 24):
I get the impression they are acting in response to what they see as one sided indoctrination and are as mad about that as you are about what you feel you understand on this situation.

How do you get that impression without having studied the facts that you accuse others of not having done? You know no more than anyone else does. What goes for the goose, goes for the gander. Your assumptions are no more valid than the post that you decry.

I suggest you look in the mirror first.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:29 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 24):
Whoa.....dude, relax and think this through for a minute. There is an alumni group that wants to take issue with the substance of the material being taught by professors. That's what alumni do. They donate, they support, and they send their kids.....and they ought to take an interest in what the professors are teaching. There are plenty of examples of out of control college professors that demonstrate that the looneys are not necessarily all on the one side.

Sorry, I don't agree. This is a witch hunt by right wing activists.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 24):
I take that as a personal insult, since I consider myself fairly well educated. You are insinuating that everyone on the right is uneducated and bigoted against those that are. Do you want to rephrase?

No, I don't care to rephrase this. Listen to FOX, RUSH, et. al. They are whipping up hate towards those in education, becuase many have not bought in to the right wing crusade.
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:30 pm

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 25):
How do you get that impression without having studied the facts that you accuse others of not having done?

well, since the posts to which I responded seemed to be purely reactionary and without much thought other than the one article I suggested balance and thought. I also pointed out...which you may have overlooked...that if this group is actually trying to force only one version themelves then they are wrong as well. If, however, they are looking for balance then hey....more power to 'em.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 25):
Sure enough. I've had my share of annoying lefty professors who remain trapped in Angela Davis' big ol' fro

 rotfl  Now, there's a picture I'll keep all day.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 25):
Many of the ivy league schools faced the wrath of such alumni groups when they began to admit Jews and women.

A shameful period of bigotry and discrimination which has been rectified to a large degree. It does not justify reverse discrimination or single track thought placement.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 25):
Its interesting that many of the group's board members such as James Rogan have resigned in reaction to these tactics.

I'm still reading on this so I can post my own opinion of these guys.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 25):
What goes for the goose, goes for the gander. Your assumptions are no more valid than the post that you decry.

My assumptions were that the posters were overreacting without much thought or consideration. They were may be crying rape at a wolf whistle, or they may be right, I don't think they know, or have done much research on the topic. Many here simply automatically assume the worst and make blanket statements such as DTW when he said that the right hates the educated. Do you automatically agree with that?

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 25):
I suggest you look in the mirror first.

What? And ruin my mental image of Angela Davis and her confused non-violent black panther 'fro?

Seriously, I do look. I also think that the number of automatic reactions people have to news is not based so much on facts as they are on preconceived notions that are based on sound bytes and what they hear from their favorite college professor........
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 12:55 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 18):
Wow, so now we're moving into a realm that colleges and their professors are automatically guilty of having a left wing bias and therefore are enemies of the state

Exactly what I was thinking. These right-wing nuts sound like they're trying to "expose" enemies. That's how it comes off. And I don't buy it. Obviously Txdravid does, and it's a bunch of crap.

Again, Txdravid, if you REALLY believe these nuts want balance, you're crazy. They want what they scream the left has-control of higher education. That's their goal. To them, and to many conservatives, those on the left aren't just people with different views-they're enemies. That's how far much of the right has moved. And that's what this is about.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):
Falcon, how are statements like yours any different? Statements like "These jackasses are modern-day Joe McCarthy's, nothing more" are mirror images of the statements you so loudly criticize.

Easy-these people are conductiong a witch-hunt, just like old Joe did in the 50's. He wanted to "expose" communists; these idiots want to "expose" what THEY call radical lefties. It's the same thing. It's going to become "guilt by association" all over again. That's the difference.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):
What does bother me is that my tax dollars are being given to people who indoctrinate and proselytize their particular point of view, regardless of whether it is liberal or conservative.

And now, it comes down to the almighty dollar.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 24):
Stop it. Don't start making assumptions like that when you don't have all the facts. Do you really feel that there is balance in education today?

Since when do conservatives care about "balance", Ian? And who are you to say there's something wrong with the way it is now? For the most part, Universities have ALWAYS been more liberal, but last time I looked, a lot of conservatives graduate from these universities, and don't come out liberal zombies or something.

This whole idea of indoctrination and left-wing brainwashing is a load of bull, and you know it, Ian. It's simply another grab by the far right to try and trash something they don't like. I went to a college 4 years, and never once did I feel there was any indoctrination, left or right. I was taught, and professors gave us their views, and urged us to respond. That's call learning how to think for yourself. And I think that scares many ultra-conservatives.

As far as I'm concerned, this is another made-up issue by the right to rally the troops and give them a battle cry for. Nothing else. If this indoctrination is happening on such a large scale over the last one to two decades, tell me why the GOP keeps winning national elections? After all, if we're graduating millions of mind-controlled left-wing zombies, you think the GOP would be getting wiped off the map, wouldn't you?

It's another conservative red-herring, nothing more.
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I went to UCLA as an undergrad and I find the tactics of this group sick. This person is a former member of the Bruin Republicans, who are now taking on the Hispanic group MeCha (which I actually agree with). Using money to "expose" professors is a low schoolyard tactic in my opinion.

When I was a student there I never experienced ANY political pulpiting by my professors. Yes UCLA may be a little more liberal than the average university, but as the poster from USC said, it's not THAT liberal.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 5):
They're left wing agenda is ahrdly the reason behind that. Those who think for themselves, and not like robots on the campus of UCLA, are most likely conservatives.

That has to be the biggest load of bullshit I have ever heard. If you truly believe that only the left have sheep-like followers, then I think you've been drinking the hard-right Kool-Aid a little too much.

Quote:
Jones told Reuters that he is out to "restore an atmosphere of respectful political discourse on campus" and says his efforts are aimed at academics who proselytize students from either side of the ideological spectrum, conservative or liberal.

And he's really pursuing respectful discourse huh?  Yeah sure

I predict there will be a lot of fallout from this crap thats going on.
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 28):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):
Falcon, how are statements like yours any different? Statements like "These jackasses are modern-day Joe McCarthy's, nothing more" are mirror images of the statements you so loudly criticize.

Easy-these people are conductiong a witch-hunt, just like old Joe did in the 50's. He wanted to "expose" communists; these idiots want to "expose" what THEY call radical lefties. It's the same thing. It's going to become "guilt by association" all over again. That's the difference.

I see you didn't understand the point of my question. Don't you see how your criticism of others for raising the "politburo" card is no different from your labeling them as "modern say Joe McCarthy's"? Or do you think your resorting to labeling is OK because only you can be correct?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 28):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):
What does bother me is that my tax dollars are being given to people who indoctrinate and proselytize their particular point of view, regardless of whether it is liberal or conservative.

And now, it comes down to the almighty dollar.

And why is it a problem for you that I as a taxpayer might be concerned how my tax dollars are spent? You aren't concerned about how government spends yours?
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:23 am

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 20):
Could the reverse work at Bob Jones U.?

Yeah it would-except that is a private school. A public one like UCLA has an oblication to be political neutral in its instruction. Private schools by definition should have a bit more leeway in teaching by their beliefs.

Besides the media wouldn't give it the negative press this one is.
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 31):
A public one like UCLA has an oblication to be political neutral in its instruction

They have no obligation whatsoever. They hire who they think can do the best job. Nothing says they have to hire as many conservatives as they do liberals.
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:28 am

This thread is hilarious because (and only because) some people refuse to admit that Universities and other places of higher learning are fortresses of progressive thought. Just LET IT GO. This will always be the case. Get over your anti-intellectual stances and accept the fact that your beliefs and values do not agree with academia. Conservative thought is and always will be a minority opinion in this context.

For those calling for balance:

We already have balance. Universities are balanced by more conservative institutions such as churches. There is a natural balance and order to society that allows it to make decisions and move forward. If we went ahead and elected all Democrats, we would effectively be a Soviet Union type communist state. Similarly, if we went ahead and elected all Republicans, we would have Fascist Italy on our hands. Our government is a compromise between different sets of values that must be reconciled with each other...values that for the most part are completely different. If we venture too far to one side of the political spectrum, that delicate comprimise will crumble and disintegrate into one-party rule.

Put another way: in almost every situation in history where intellectuals have been systematically supressed, the results have proven, shall we say, not good...the moment this starts to happen is the moment that free thought disappears and conformity becomes the norm.

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Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:36 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 32):
They hire who they think can do the best job.

It is amazing how many professors I have seen who where in there positions because they couldn't survive on the outside. One piece of advice I gave my siblings when they stated going to school was to seek out instructors who had worked what they taught in the real world or who only instructed part time, and worked outside the school. Most of the worst and most left wing professors I saw had never been outside acadamia.

They got their jobs because the school was short professors and they where favorites of some advisor.

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 33):
This thread is hilarious because (and only because) some people refuse to admit that Universities and other places of higher learning are fortresses of progressive thought. Just LET IT GO. This will always be the case.

I get a laugh every time somebody calls leftist thinking as progressive. It isn't. Besides, more then one great conservative mind actually went to college.
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 5:40 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 34):
It is amazing how many professors I have seen who where in there positions because they couldn't survive on the outside

That's a rather narrow view of things. Let's take a field that's predominantly theoretical. How do you propose that a political theorist "survive on the outside?"
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Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:31 pm

Well, I thought I would post the epilog to this story.

Conservative Alumnus Pulls Offer to Buy Lecture Tapes

- A 24-year-old conservative alumnus who announced earlier this month that he planned to pay students at the University of California, Los Angeles, to tape-record the lectures of left-leaning professors backed down after U.C.L.A. officials informed him on Monday that he would be violating school policy

The university sent Mr. Jones a letter last week stating that the taping of lectures for political purposes violated school policy and could be subject to claims of copyright infringement by professors.

"He had gone over the line legally, but in terms of the repugnance, the sorts of things he said, the attempts to engage in character assassination and defaming people who have earned positions as tenured professors, that really hasn't changed," said Sondra Hale, a U.C.L.A. anthropology professor who is No. 6 on Mr. Jones's "Dirty Thirty" list.

The Bruin Alumni Association is essentially a one-man operation run out of Mr. Jones's apartment in Culver City. The organization's advisory board includes some prominent conservative names, but it has received only about $22,000 in donations since its inception last May.


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/24/national/24ucla.html?_r=1
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Tue Jan 24, 2006 11:40 pm

Anti-intellectualism is a dangerous trend in this country, and the sad thing is that it is being labeled as a bias and "liberal" issue. Areas in the sciences don't generally have bias, there is a tried and true method and it is scientific method not bias. Even historical study aims for as many different new and alternative viewpoints, this doesn't make it biased. This is what we should WANT for our students, they should be exposed to new ideas that will make them think, not stay with the same old stuff in the name of having a "balanced" education. We should keep this diametric view of the world that has invaded everything in our life out of the college campus, and groups like this "investigating" professors do nothing to help.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 5):
On most college campus', the left-wing propaganda machine is in complete control of most college and universities.

You know, you sure do go to prove DTW's point. He says the right doesn't like educated and intellectuals. Then you say, "That's not true..... but I do hate the left-wing propoganda machine", automatically connecting the universities to "left-wing propoganda" as you not so subtly put it.
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Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:00 am

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 33):
Conservative thought is and always will be a minority opinion in this context.

No one is suggesting that it should be the majority OR in balance with liberal thought. At least I'm not. I want an education that exposes me to both liberal and conservative tenets. What I DON'T want is indoctrination of either liberalism or conservatism, which is sadly what passes for education in many instances.

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 33):
We already have balance. Universities are balanced by more conservative institutions such as churches.

You are kidding, right?
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Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:06 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
Isn't the way they cut off debate in the House of Reps and not allow minority participation enough for you to see that?

It's the Senate not the House. But that just goes to show you which party wants an uneducated following.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 1):
What is the left so afraid of?

Precisely. Why do liberals fear that their own words will be exposed? Hell, if they really are proud of what they have to say publicize it. The professors should make tapes of their own lectures and give them away.

Weren't some of you same liberals who are complaining about this also all up in arms when Scalia had the US Marshall seize the tape recorder of a reporter who was taping his speech without authorization. Just one more example of liberal hypocrisy.
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Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:24 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 39):
Why do liberals fear that their own words will be exposed?

They don't.

Quoting Pope (Reply 39):
Hell, if they really are proud of what they have to say publicize it

Publishing your own work, with editorial control is one thing. Having a nut job alum, mangle your words and take things out of context (a la Fox) is another.


One more thing: Liberal is not a dirty word!
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Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 40):
Publishing your own work, with editorial control is one thing. Having a nut job alum, mangle your words and take things out of context (a la Fox) is another.

Then why don't they do it? Additionally, there is no evidence that any edits have occured. In fact, the website only allows full class unedited recordings to be submitted.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 40):
Liberal is not a dirty word!

then why do you guys hate to be called liberals?
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Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:47 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 41):
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 40):
Liberal is not a dirty word!

then why do you guys hate to be called liberals?

I most certainly do not mind being called liberal.
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Wed Jan 25, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 41):
Then why don't they do it? Additionally, there is no evidence that any edits have occured. In fact, the website only allows full class unedited recordings to be submitted.

And how would you know if it had been edited.

The entire thing smacks of a witch hunt!
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Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 42):
Quoting Pope (Reply 41):
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 40):
Liberal is not a dirty word!

then why do you guys hate to be called liberals?

I most certainly do not mind being called liberal.

Nor do I, if it's in the proper context, but Pope, you and I both know you don't use the word liberal to try and describe someone mainstream on the left. Like many righties, you try to conjur up the specter of someone who is radically left, then hope that interpretation is enough to stick to all people who are even liberals near the center. It's a word game to you, but fortunately, it's been losing it's luster over time. It worked fine 10 years ago, but nowadays, it isn't as effective.

I am liberal, but I am center-left. I am not a radical of the left. That's the image you try to instill in people.
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Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:49 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 39):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
Isn't the way they cut off debate in the House of Reps and not allow minority participation enough for you to see that?

It's the Senate not the House. But that just goes to show you which party wants an uneducated following.

You're wrong, pontiff. It is the House that can more easily shut out the minority from the legislative process. This has been discussed at some length in the media recently. The Senate actually allows, through its constitutional design, for stronger minority participation.
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Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:06 am

Quoting Dvk (Reply 45):
You're wrong, pontiff. It is the House that can more easily shut out the minority from the legislative process. This has been discussed at some length in the media recently. The Senate actually allows, through its constitutional design, for stronger minority participation.

The House has never had a tradition of free debate. Therefore, when Falcon says:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 12):
Isn't the way they cut off debate in the House of Reps and not allow minority participation enough for you to see that?


he's confusing the House with the Senate. The GOP hasn't been critized about controlling the debate in the House, they have been attacked from threatening the nuclear option to limit debate in the Senate - where have you been for the last two years?

Anyone who knows anything about Congressional history knows that the power to cut off debate and control what comes up for consideration is biggest power that the Speaker of the House wields.
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Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:17 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 46):
The GOP hasn't been critized about controlling the debate in the House, they have been attacked from threatening the nuclear option to limit debate in the Senate - where have you been for the last two years?

Actually, the GOP has been criticized a good bit lately specifically for preventing debate in the house. Where have YOU been for the past two years?

Quoting Pope (Reply 46):
he's confusing the House with the Senate.

No, he's not. If you think he is, you haven't been listening closely enough recently.
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Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting Dvk (Reply 47):
Actually, the GOP has been criticized a good bit lately specifically for preventing debate in the house. Where have YOU been for the past two years?

Preventing debate in the House is part and parcel of the power of the majority party. When Tip O'Neil ruled with an iron hand and repeatedly kept anything not on the DNC agenda from coming up was anyone whining? Hell no. Why because that's how the House is run.

So are you now telling me that the same liberals who argued that the rules of the Senate are sacred and can't be changed now want the rules of the House to be changed? Liberal hypocrisy at its finest. All we have to do is let you guys speak and the hypocrisy just spews out.
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Wed Jan 25, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 48):
So are you now telling me that the same liberals

Perfect example of your use of the term "liberal". Please in the future substitute Democrat or opposing party

Quoting Pope (Reply 48):
When Tip O'Neil ruled with an iron hand and repeatedly kept anything not on the DNC agenda from coming up was anyone whining?

Hell yes, they did complain

Quoting Pope (Reply 48):
Liberal hypocrisy at its finest. All we have to do is let you guys speak and the hypocrisy just spews out.

Again, poor use of the term Liberal.

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