airworlda320
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Class 47 Locomotives

Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:33 am

To all you GB rail enthusiasts what is your opinion of the Class 47 locomotive, mine is, good looking and great sounding workhorse. http://www.class47gallery.co.uk/gall...gesphoto/47477-newport-070392.html
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:40 am

I must be predisposed to American designs, because that unit doesn't look very good to me. Also, how come those units have bumpers (for lack of a better term) and US units do not?
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:42 am

I love the old diesel locomotives as you say great sounding but my all time favourite is the Class 43, Intercity 125. http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=57423
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 1):
I must be predisposed to American designs, because that unit doesn't look very good to me. Also, how come those units have bumpers (for lack of a better term) and US units do not?

We do have American designs here in the UK

http://www.miac.btinternet.co.uk/66003.htm
http://www.class67.co.uk/main.htm

Both built by GM in Canada and the US

[Edited 2006-01-27 00:04:33]

[Edited 2006-01-27 00:06:08]
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:11 am

Sorry, NOTHING has the rugged good looks and brute pulling power of the GE AC6000CW!

http://64.246.11.82/images/2/2003_1013_130326AA.JPG.70921.jpg
http://64.246.11.82/images/m/MVC-010F.JPG.41160.jpg

Except, perhaps, the good old Dash 9 in AT&SF colors!

http://64.246.11.82/images/s/SF_659_Kingman_Canyon_Wed_050495.jpg.65189.jpg
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:17 am

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 4):
Sorry, NOTHING has the rugged good looks and brute pulling power of the GE AC6000CW!




Except, perhaps, the good old Dash 9 in AT&SF colors!





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Gotta admit cannot beat that!!!!!!
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 1):
Also, how come those units have bumpers (for lack of a better term) and US units do not?

They are like shock absorbers that match up with train carriages and the buffers at railway passenger terminals in the UK. You can just make out the red buffer in the bottom right hand corner of this picture.
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting AirworldA320 (Reply 5):
Gotta admit cannot beat that!!!!!!

Hey, those 47's are good ol' power units, too! And they'll keep you out of the rain if you have to work on them! I'd love to see one of them working some day! From what I've read, they have a very unique sound.
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:36 am

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 7):
Hey, those 47's are good ol' power units, too! And they'll keep you out of the rain if you have to work on them! I'd love to see one of them working some day! From what I've read, they have a very unique sound.

http://www.brdw.co.uk/sounds.html
Just look under Class 47!!!!!
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:45 am

Quoting AirworldA320 (Reply 8):
Just look under Class 47!!!!!

Looks like the stuff I read was correct! They sound a lot like a radial aircraft engine idling. It's also really easy to hear the turbo spooling up!

Have you seen this site? See if it looks familiar!
http://www.railpictures.net/
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 9):
Looks like the stuff I read was correct! They sound a lot like a radial aircraft engine idling. It's also really easy to hear the turbo spooling up!(Sulzer diesel)

Have you seen this site? See if it looks familiar!
http://www.railpictures.net/

Nothing can beat the CL47 but give me your GM SD-70MAC and I might be pursuaded!!!!

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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:50 am

The Class 47's looked best in the two tone BR green with the yellow panels.

Unfortunately I can remember when they all looked like that.
 
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Fri Jan 27, 2006 7:39 pm

Maybe Americans would be more familiar with the sound of a class 57 (which still retains the good looks of a class 47 of course)
 
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:55 pm

Quoting VC-10 (Reply 11):
The Class 47's looked best in the two tone BR green with the yellow panels.

Unfortunately I can remember when they all looked like that.

... and they had easy to remember 4 digit numbers. My favourite and the one that always seemed to be at Paddington when I went was D1661 "North Star". A quick check revealed that although no longer in traffic, this loco has so far avoided the cutters torch. It will be 41 next month.
 
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:38 am

Your research isn't quite correct, D1661 became 47077, then 47613 and is now 47840 and was noted only two days ago taking some scrap slam-door trains from South London to Essex for scrapping.

The locomotive has become something of a celebrity in recent years since it was repainted in the old 1970's style BR Blue.



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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:02 am

I used to live in Glasgow and travelled to Edinburgh pretty regularly in the early 80s. The service then was a 47/7 coupled to a push-pull set with a driving cab on the other end, pretty unique at the time. It was fast too.

That was a great ride! So with the diesel hauled trains I used to catch from Manchester to Preston (electric to Glasgow) I got to ride behind a lot of Classs 47 locos.

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 7):
From what I've read, they have a very unique sound.

The 47 has a Sulzer engine, nice sounding power unit. They were the workhorse for the old British Rail, and the American-owned EWS inherited quite a few too. Nowadays some have been reborn with a GM power unit and classed as the 57, but with the same box shape.

There were also a lot of engines at the same time which had the classic 'American' profile such as the 40, Peaks, 37s and Deltics. But the 47 was truly the workhorse of the network.
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:56 am

I'm curious as to why Diesel (and Electric) locos aren't streamlined like their coal-burning predecessors, and instead present a blunt profile. Is it because that the overall aerodynamics of the train set makes this a small gain? Even the Amtrak Metroliner loco, a 120+ mph train, has a blunt nose.
 
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RE: Class 47 Locomotives

Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:12 am

Quoting Comorin (Reply 16):
I'm curious as to why Diesel (and Electric) locos aren't streamlined like their coal-burning predecessors, and instead present a blunt profile. Is it because that the overall aerodynamics of the train set makes this a small gain?

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