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The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:08 am

Last weekend I visited a friend in Amsterdam, coming from Bonn... We drove the A-3, until Oberhausen traffic was intense, but we managed somehow to drive around 130-150 km/h. After Oberhausen, no traffic, average speed of 170 km/h, until... the dutch border...

Come on, 120 sucks, but not only that... Speed traps, section control all the time, even though there was no traffic. In Utrecht there were 4 lanes, but still, only 120. But even worse: Around cities, the speed limit often is only 80 or 100...

I really love the netherlands, I would like to have the usual liberal approach seen there also applied on cars... No wonder everybody is driving Kia there...
 
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving

Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:13 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Thread starter):
No wonder everybody is driving Kia there...

I don't know anybody who drives a Kia Big grin , for the rest I totally agree .
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:30 am

The worst Dutch export - the Gatso! Seems popular in its national home as much as in the UK.

I notice KLM don't have an aircraft called "Maurice Gatsonides"  rotfl 
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving

Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Thread starter):
The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Nope, not by a long shot! Drive in some of the South American countries and you'll pray you were back in the Netherlands.
 
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 3):

Nope, not by a long shot! Drive in some of the South American countries and you'll pray you were back in the Netherlands.

You got it!!!

Btw if ever you drive in england I guess its worst..just check these pictures out !









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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:05 am

Personally, I think the Netherlands is a terrible place to drive. Most tourists have a rough time distiguishing some of the bike lanes from the actual streets most of the time. Also, cities like Amsterdam, Den Haag and others (even smaller like Utrecht) are complete mazes- no driving in straight lines to be had.
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:12 am

LOL! You think driving in the Netherlands is bad? Come to an Arab country, especially Egypt, Lebanon, or Jordan. In Lebanon, a red light is a warning to slow down - nobody stops at traffic lights, and they are all maniacs. In Jordan, there is an unwritten rule that its every man for himself - nobody respects the other while driving. In Qatar, it is perfectly normal to find a Land Cruiser zooming past you at 160 on a normal road.

You guys have no idea what a bad place to drive is!
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Thread starter):
Come on, 120 sucks

On the other hand is smoking dope legal in the Netherlands. When they would make it legal here as well, I had no problems when they would introduce a speed limit of 120 (or even 80) because I would sell my car to buy weed from the money.  Wink

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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:18 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):

You're stoned, right?
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:21 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 8):
You're stoned, right?

Yes.

And by the way, I just realized that I can't sell my car since it is leased via my father's company.

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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
Yes.

I didn't think I'd ever be relieved to hear this.  duck 
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:23 am

The worst thing about driving in The Netherlands is that pedestrians and cyclists are equal road users in the built up areas and have to be accorded priorities. This makes driving very difficult and one must be alert all the time. During the driving test for the Dutch license, people are mainly tested for proper observation techniques, It is absolutely infuriating that you MUST look in the inside mirror-outside mirror-blind spot, two times in that sequence before you do ANYTHING.
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:27 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 10):
I didn't think I'd ever be relieved to hear this.

Actually did I only post it to annoy Jafa39.  Wink

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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:37 am

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 11):
It is absolutely infuriating that you MUST look in the inside mirror-outside mirror-blind spot, two times in that sequence before you do ANYTHING.

TWICE?!? Did you really say TWICE? One time is annoying enough, especially when you're doing a right turn and are going to cross a bike lane, whose user has right of way in that case - nevermind you've been driving along that same bike lane for the last minute or so, with no biker anywhere near you... where are they supposed to come from, nirvana? Or are bikers supersonic in some areas?

I'm so glad I passed both of my practical exams (licence classes B and then BE) first time, now I can pay attention to things that actually could become a danger - which still are enough. Want me to slow down when I see children playing on the pavement? Fine, and you'll get 300% of attention with that for free. Want me to pay attention to obviously inexistent threats? Try again, preferably when I'm not driving!
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:39 am

There are many worse places to drive than the Netherlands.

Vietnam: for every car there are about 12 bikes in Hanoi and they are fearless. Not to mention trucks bocking lanes to unload cargo and an accident on average every kilometre. On a great day, you MIGHT hit third gear - till then second is your only friend.

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Sana'a is a disaster. Cars openly driving in the oncoming lanes. Drivers chatting to each other two lanes wide, blocking the enitre road. Traffic cops sitting around smoking while carnage ensues at traffic lights and roundabouts. It is not uncommon to see children driving. When I say children I don't mean 16, I mean 10 year olds. I saw a 10 year old reversing a decent sized water truck!!

If you drive outside Sana'a be sure to know where the hell you're going, some parts of the country are not to friendly. Be prepared to stop quite freuently at army checkpoints.

There are many many places worse than the Netherlands.

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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Thread starter):
Around cities, the speed limit often is only 80 or 100..

Those speed limits usually are necessary to improve traffic flow during busy weekday-periods; it also adds to road safety in dense traffic.
And putting up a static traffic sign is cheaper than a flexible one (but IIRC there are stretches of NL motorways with flexible speed limits/signage).

When using NL motorways around cities, I found that during heavy traffic conditions, the flow is much smoother than in some other european countries.

OTOH, for some stretches of less travelled NL motorways, a moderate increase of speed limit from 120 kph to 130 kph could be a good thing.

Quoting TheSonntag (Thread starter):
Speed traps

My point of view: They are there for the safety of ALL drivers. Most fatal accidents happen due to excessive speeding.
Even on german motorways there are speed traps - just use the A7 from Kassel to Goettingen and watch out for them on the steep slope before crossing the river Werra (this used to be a apot of major accidents due to speeding downhill).
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:50 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 13):
One time is annoying enough

I don't find it annoying and I am always looking to the blind spot! Where is the problem? You only have to turn your head 2 centimeters more after you looked into the outside mirror.

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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 6:53 am

120km/h Bah...Everyone dies, you cant control you car and its reckless driving!

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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 16):
I don't find it annoying and I am always looking to the blind spot! Where is the problem?

I didn't mean to say there is a general problem with it - I check the blind spot before I leave a parking space, when I turn right at a traffic light (especially after having waited), when I'm in doubt I might endanger anyone... but one time is enough as a requirement, you seldom need a second glance and therefore it should be at driver's discretion. And you don't need that extra glance at all when you've been monitoring the part of the road where you're turning right for more than half a minute, with no one in sight.

Just imagine a perfectly clear junction where you're the only one arriving - is the mirror & blind spot procedure really necessary? I say no, but driving instruction requires it anyway. It's an unnecessary complication, and I like the KISS rule when I'm driving.
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 18):
Just imagine a perfectly clear junction where you're the only one arriving - is the mirror & blind spot procedure really necessary? I say no

I agree with you and say no as well, but I am doing it always, I don't know why, I am simply used to it (I am also used to switch on the lights all the time).

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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving

Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:46 am

India is a far more worse place to drive... although i find it funny that in Gelderland, the speed limit is 60 (?) or 80 kms op de snelweg... here in the US... my parents drive around 135-140 kmh op de snelweg.

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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving

Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:59 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 14):

Vietnam: for every car there are about 12 bikes in Hanoi and they are fearless. Not to mention trucks bocking lanes to unload cargo and an accident on average every kilometre. On a great day, you MIGHT hit third gear - till then second is your only friend.

I have to agree, Vietnam is one of the worst places to drive (or walk if you're a pedestrian). There is no sense of traffic rules, a one way street can quickly become two way, and the horn is you best friend. Large vans will swerve in and out of traffic, while pedestrians boldly walk across the street. AFAIK, international driving licenses are not valid in Vietnam, and with good reason.

Speed-wise, a distance of 300 kms will take you the entire day to cover. On so-called highways where the speeds are supposed to be around 80 km/hr, you'll be lucky with 50 km/h (especially if there are those pesky ox-pulled carts in the way...).

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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:05 am

Quoting QR332 (Reply 6):
LOL! You think driving in the Netherlands is bad? Come to an Arab country, especially Egypt, Lebanon, or Jordan. In Lebanon, a red light is a warning to slow down - nobody stops at traffic lights, and they are all maniacs.

True. I noticed this, esp on the highway between DXB and AUH. I couldn't believe how reckless people were driving.

Of course, try driving in India and driving head-on with a truck that swerves away with a few feet to spare.
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:02 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Thread starter):
Come on, 120 sucks, but not only that... Speed traps, section control all the time, even though there was no traffic. In Utrecht there were 4 lanes, but still, only 120. But even worse: Around cities, the speed limit often is only 80 or 100...

You think that's bad, you should come to Melbourne!

Freeways with 100Kmh speed limits & with lots of speed cameras (fixed & mobile) A favorite hiding place for speed cameras are on freeway overpass bridges & on overhead signs. You don't know you've been done until you get the fine in the mail 2 weeks later!
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:50 pm

I really like Netherland and that is not only coming from the fact that i live 1 mile away from the border and I'm there nearly every other day.
But driving is a pain there. And I reckon they slow you down to the speeds they have because they don't want you to realize that their country is that small  Wink
I mean if you could drive like 170 or 200 you'd be out of there in an hour or so  Wink from any given point.

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PS: Anyway a lot of other things work much better there. And I'm going to have a Frikandel Spezial today... yummy
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:54 pm

Netherlands?

Can't be worse than Italy!
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:55 pm

Main reason for the low speed limits is to get people to speed so they can be fined.
Second reason is to generate traffic jams which are used as excuses to increase road taxes.

But what really gets me is the terrible attitude of many drivers here. Everyone is constantly pushing and trying to drive others off the road, when they're not panicking and hitting the brakes for no reason that is.

If you don't tailgate you're cut off by someone thinking that a 10 meter gap between vehicles is too large when doing 100...
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:35 pm

Driving in the Netherlands is OK when you're willing to follow the speed limits. Inside towns (I admit, I've only seen Maastricht) the bike ways and roundabouts are often confusing. But from a biker's or pedestrian's view it is probably very good (so is Stockholm).

I think driving in Germany is worse. People just drive to reckless over here. Just yesterday two idiots passed me in a 50 zone after hanging a meter away from my trunk forever in a 30 zone. (If I'm doing 40 in a 30 zone and people still drive real close, I slow down to 30.) Those people should have a better time management, so that they don't have to break the rules and endanger themselves and others because they are late. In addition to that they should work as fast as they drive and drive as slow as they work. (Sorry, but I had to say that.)
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RE: The Netherlands, Worst Country For Car Driving?

Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:48 am

Who had the idea to put sign in the direction of the exit in a roundabout?

So you only know where the road is going if you have taken one round.

What about signs shortly before a roundabout showing all the directions and were it leads you to. I find that somewhat irritating.

BTW. The Frikandel Spezial I had today was great!

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