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Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:22 am

The president of my country has told the US to let Puerto Rico become independent so that they can free themselves from "U.S. Imperialism".

Interesting to note that this wacko wakes up every day demanding the US to stop interfering with Venezuela's and other countries' internal affairs and at the same time he tells the US to let go of Puerto Rico...

Source:
http://www.angolapress-angop.ao/noticia-e.asp?ID=412241

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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:26 am

Um, haven't the folks in PR voted on this very question two or three times? Seems they like it just the way it is.

I do find it interesting that Chavez spends a lot more time talking about the US than we do talking about him? I smell serious inferiority complex  Wink
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:27 am

Guy sounds more and more like a cross between Fidel Castro and Charles DeGaulle.  Silly
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
wacko

Interesting take on your president. Do a lot of people down Venezuela way think he's a nut job?
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:28 am

Awww sweet... in return, I demand the Isla Margarita!
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:29 am

angolapress??? WTF!

Luis, what are you reading old boy????
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and let me tell you that we love your wacko over here
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 8:56 am

Chavez spoke with his arms wrapped around shoulders of visiting American peace activist Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, and Elma Beatriz Rosado, the widow of slain Puerto Rican independence activist Filiberto Ojeda Rios. All three joined in condemning George W. Bush`s government.

We mostly know this guy is a nutjob. But WTF is Cindy Sheehan doing down there? I will say I can understand her frustration and think it would be nice of Bush to have sat down with her etc, and I admired her dedication to this. But going down to Ven and hanging with Chavez as he declares support for PR independance, not a smart move Cindy.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto R

Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:00 am

Quoting Scamp (Reply 3):

Interesting take on your president. Do a lot of people down Venezuela way think he's a nut job?

Yes, many people do. And we have hard times here. People that cannot prove that they support the govt, are fired from their public office jobs. When we had the presidential recall election in 2004, we had to first sign a petition to get the recall started. Someone in the Pro-Chavez corrupt electoral council gave a database with all the names of the people who signed the recall petition to the Govt. So that means that if you want to seek a job in govt. office they will first run a search of you to see if you signed asking for the recall election. Talk about discrimination....

Take a look of some anti-chavez protests ( I participated in all of them, the ones Im posting)


http://www.urru.org/11A/imagenes11D/LadoOeste4.jpg


http://www.urru.org/11A/imagenes11D/LadoOeste1.jpg

Quoting Macc (Reply 5):
angolapress??? WTF!

Luis, what are you reading old boy????

It was the first link to the story in English that I found in Yahoo!

Link In spanish: http://www.eluniversal.com/2006/01/30/pol_art_30106E.shtml

Quoting Macc (Reply 5):
and let me tell you that we love your wacko over here

Thankfully that you aren't Venezuelan and you can't vote for him. You can love him all you want from Europe, I don't care, as long as that doesn't affect the election results here.

Looks like many people around the world love Chavez because he joined the Bush-Bashing bandwagon... there's no doubt that bashing Bush earns you popularity worldwide. I think GWB is the worst president the US has had since I was born, but then again it is up to the American citizens to decide who runs their land, I respect them.

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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:04 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 7):
And we have hard times here.

Good luck to you then. If you want the guy out, I hope that you are successful in your endeavor.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:04 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 6):
Chavez spoke with his arms wrapped around shoulders of visiting American peace activist Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, and Elma Beatriz Rosado, the widow of slain Puerto Rican independence activist Filiberto Ojeda Rios. All three joined in condemning George W. Bush`s government.

We mostly know this guy is a nutjob. But WTF is Cindy Sheehan doing down there? I will say I can understand her frustration and think it would be nice of Bush to have sat down with her etc, and I admired her dedication to this. But going down to Ven and hanging with Chavez as he declares support for PR independance, not a smart move Cindy.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:08 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 7):
Quoting Macc (Reply 5):
and let me tell you that we love your wacko over here

Thankfully that you aren't Venezuelan and you can't vote for him. You can love him all you want from Europe, I don't care, as long as that doesn't affect the election results here.

I really hope that smiley  mischievous  was meant to represent Macc's irony... if not, I'll agree to diasgree with him - I certainly don't love la-la-land demagogues.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:16 am

At first glance, of the above photo it looked to me like Chavez has his arm around her with his finger doing the "fishhook!" but with a closer look it is her giving the thumbs up. But regardless as someone who before was not a Sheehan supporter, but lets say a "sympathizer" this has given me a bad taste in my mouth.
Luis when are the next elections down there? would he win again?

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 7):
I think GWB is the worst president the US has had since I was born,

As someone who was born two weeks after Reagan was inagurated, I couldnt agree with you more. I have gone back and said he was the worst president since Hoover, but thats just my opinion.
 
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:17 am

Thats simply idiotic. Considering that PR has had numerous votes on this AND voted to keep things status quo obviously means there is no "struggle" for independence. The mere fact that the US is allowing PR to decide for itself is anything BUT imperialistic. But I guess those that suck up the crap this guy throws out don't think about that.

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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto R

Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:18 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 6):
Chavez spoke with his arms wrapped around shoulders of visiting American peace activist Cindy Sheehan, whose son was killed in Iraq, and Elma Beatriz Rosado, the widow of slain Puerto Rican independence activist Filiberto Ojeda Rios. All three joined in condemning George W. Bush`s government.

He probably tapped that shit...

It's sad to see a Latin American country moving in the direction most of the continent has been moving away from for at least 25+ years.

On another note: Luis, is Internet access monitored under Chavez's regime?  Wink
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:29 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 11):
Luis when are the next elections down there? would he win again?

Presidental Elections are due in June/May. Would he win again? it is possible since he has complete submission of the Electoral Council and the Supreme Court of Justice. Surveys say that Chavez holds a 25% of hardcore supporters, the opposition has around 25% Chavez haters and the other 50% are people that might swing their vote at the last time. Of that 50%, most of them would vote right now for Chavez because there isnt a good opposition candidate or electoral promise. If the oposition manages to come up with a strong leader and gets the majority of those 50% of undecided voters, then Chavez's days in office are counted. Also the opposition will need to overcome the electoral dirty tricks played by Chavez's supporters who run the Electoral Council.

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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 9:39 am



Is he picking her nose?
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:04 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 6):
We mostly know this guy is a nutjob. But WTF is Cindy Sheehan doing down there? I

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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 10:45 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 1):
Um, haven't the folks in PR voted on this very question two or three times? Seems they like it just the way it is.

Of course they have. They recognize that to become independent would mean their economy and standard of living would take a nosedive.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 11:10 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 15):
Is he picking her nose?

No, she's giving him a reach-around, can't you see that? lol.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:46 pm



Nice to see Cindy down in Venezuela snorting cocaine with Hugo  Smile
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 2:57 pm


Either she's pickin' a piece of spinach between her teeth, or injecting anesthesia for a tooth extraction, or a thumbs-up with a wierd index finger, or...
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:37 pm

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 6):
But WTF is Cindy Sheehan doing down there? I will say I can understand her frustration and think it would be nice of Bush to have sat down with her etc, and I admired her dedication to this. But going down to Ven and hanging with Chavez as he declares support for PR independance, not a smart move Cindy.

That is why Bush did not meet her. She's a nut. Sorry about her son, but she's a nut. Sen. McCain found that out by meeting her, and she embarassed McCain to the press afterward. Why would Bush subject himself to her abuse?

Quoting L-188 (Reply 15):
Is he picking her nose?

It's more like "Smell my finger"
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Tue Jan 31, 2006 3:38 pm

LMAO! that's all I can say.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
Guy sounds more and more like a cross between Fidel Castro and Charles DeGaulle.

He just sounds more like what he is, a retard.


By the way, I heard the other day CHavez was changing the country's flag and some other national symbols? Wonder how the new flag will look like..
Will it include a sketch himself and Fidel hugging?

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 13):
It's sad to see a Latin American country moving in the direction most of the continent has been moving away from for at least 25+ years.

Actually Venezuela is just one of the many latin countries where the ignorant masses have voted a communist/idiot/drug trafficker into power because the candidate told them they would bring more equality for the poor. In this month alone Chile's president, a woman who is a socialist/communist took office. About two weeks earlier a native indian coca grower turned president took office in Bolivia. Fidel Castro has a playground full students he can indoctrinate and play with. Truly sad.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 14):
Presidental Elections are due in June/May. Would he win again? it is possible since he has complete submission of the Electoral Council and the Supreme Court of Justice. Surveys say that Chavez holds a 25% of hardcore supporters, the opposition has around 25% Chavez haters and the other 50% are people that might swing their vote at the last time. Of that 50%, most of them would vote right now for Chavez because there isnt a good opposition candidate or electoral promise. If the oposition manages to come up with a strong leader and gets the majority of those 50% of undecided voters, then Chavez's days in office are counted. Also the opposition will need to overcome the electoral dirty tricks played by Chavez's supporters who run the Electoral Council.

Don't be naive Luis, Chavez just like every other communist takes power with the intentions of not letting it go. This guy has changed the constitution, now wants to change the flag.. The story in latin america is corruption leads to the vote going to the nutty communists, which end up ruining a nation even more. People are ignorant and don't know what they're in for, to them the idea of socialism and communism sounds great! ..hmm bad decision
 
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 21):
Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 6):
But WTF is Cindy Sheehan doing down there? I will say I can understand her frustration and think it would be nice of Bush to have sat down with her etc, and I admired her dedication to this. But going down to Ven and hanging with Chavez as he declares support for PR independance, not a smart move Cindy.

That is why Bush did not meet her.

Actually Bush met her once - with a group of other moms who had lost their children. The controversy about Bush won't meet with Cindy was in response to HER request for an additional meeting.

I really hope she runs against Feinstein. What a circus that will be.....
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto R

Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:06 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 1):
I smell serious inferiority complex Wink

other Latam leaders I'd say being able to publicly diss the U.S is more of a proof of superiority and at least he's got the guts to do it and say what he realy thins...how many LatAm presidents wouldn't wish to diss the US
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 22):
Actually Venezuela is just one of the many latin countries where the ignorant masses have voted a communist/idiot/drug trafficker into power because the candidate told them they would bring more equality for the poor.

Democracy can be a bummer, eh? Ignorant masses can elect all manner of crackpots, some of whom can even take their countries to war on false pretenses.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:14 am

I think Chavez is starting to overeach. It's one thing to rant against the US and another to nose his faccia in the affairs of every single country in this hemisphere, including the US.

Support for Chavez is still strong in many sectors, but in countries like Argentina I can see it is beginning to wane noticeably. And Chavez has really not even said much about Argentina's internal affairs. Imagine in Colombia, Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Mexico, United States, where he has been very involved. Many people in those countries are starting to resent this as seen as in the various diplomatic incidents Venezuela has been involved with recently.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 3:53 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
Interesting to note that this wacko wakes up every day demanding the US to stop interfering with Venezuela's and other countries' internal affairs and at the same time he tells the US to let go of Puerto Rico...

He´s also interfering in Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia, Argentina and Chile... not to count some other Countries.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:52 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 24):


other Latam leaders I'd say being able to publicly diss the U.S is more of a proof of superiority and at least he's got the guts to do it and say what he realy thins...how many LatAm presidents wouldn't wish to diss the US

A foriegn leader can technically say what he/she wants, but there are always consequences. What comes out of this guy's mouth is often pure crap. Who is he to accuse the US of interfering when he is the one trying to instigate a "struggle" involving a US Commonwealth that seems to be comfortable with its political status?

What he doesn't have are guts, since he makes up ridiculous rhetoric just to curry favor with the Anti-American crowd over the world. Seems like many of the Venezuelans on this board show that he hasn't done anything worthwhile for his nation. Yeah, a real leader huh?  Yeah sure
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 4:57 am

Hugo better remember one thing: it's one thing to say he wants the "Independence" of Puerto Rico. But if it's ever found thathe's ACTIVELY working and funding groups to do this, and using illicit and violent means to do so, then he is, in essence, declaring war on the United States.

In that case, he should expect his nation TO BE at war with the U.S., and such consequences will not be pleasant for anyone involved.

But I don't think this loudmouth has the courage to do such a thing.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:00 am

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
The president of my country has told the US to let Puerto Rico become independent so that they can free themselves from "U.S. Imperialism".

Interesting to note that this wacko wakes up every day demanding the US to stop interfering with Venezuela's and other countries' internal affairs and at the same time he tells the US to let go of Puerto Rico...



Quoting Searpqx (Reply 1):
Um, haven't the folks in PR voted on this very question two or three times? Seems they like it just the way it is.

I do find it interesting that Chavez spends a lot more time talking about the US than we do talking about him? I smell serious inferiority complex

I couldn't agree more with both of you.

Chavez seems to like to preach "do as I say not as I do."

And Yes Puerto Rico has had numerous votes on Statehood, or Independence. The people of Puerto Rico have been heard, and they like the status quo.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:29 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 29):
Hugo better remember one thing: it's one thing to say he wants the "Independence" of Puerto Rico. But if it's ever found thathe's ACTIVELY working and funding groups to do this, and using illicit and violent means to do so, then he is, in essence, declaring war on the United States.

Chavez is clearly an idiot, full of himself, and his comments about Puerto Rico are just typical anti-American bluster. But the US's hands are not clean. Past US governments have done exactly what Falcon84 is now warning Hugo not to do, and they've done it in South America and Central America. In fact, they've tried to oust Hugo recently, and of course the attempts to get rid of Castro are the stuff of legend. There's a certain pot-kettle-black to all this.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 30):
And Yes Puerto Rico has had numerous votes on Statehood, or Independence. The people of Puerto Rico have been heard, and they like the status quo.

Of course they do. They get an assload more federal dollars than they contribute. Why wouldn't they want to stay?
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 18):
No, she's giving him a reach-around, can't you see that? lol.

That would explain the expression on Hugo's face
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 31):
There's a certain pot-kettle-black to all this.

Fully aware of that, and in no way apologizing for it. It was another idiotic move by the U.S. in a region where we've screwed up over and over again.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:08 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 6):
I admired her dedication to this

Admire he for nothing! She has disgraced her family, and her late son.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 6):
not a smart move Cindy

Nothing will happen to her, we Americans will forget this in a week, she'll be in Clear Water protesting this time next month.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 29):
In that case, he should expect his nation TO BE at war with the U.S., and such consequences will not be pleasant for anyone involved.

With Bush as Prez Americans would say he was wrong to go into P.R., wait unless we say he has WMD's?  scratchchin  This just might work!
 
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 24):
other Latam leaders I'd say being able to publicly diss the U.S is more of a proof of superiority and at least he's got the guts to do it and say what he realy thins...how many LatAm presidents wouldn't wish to diss the US


Other Latin American leaders frequently criticize the US and often harshly. But when one leader spends so much time and energy, frequently making blatantly false accusations and claims, it goes from speaking your mind to posturing. I just noted that posturing of this magnitude is frequently associated with small penis syndrome. . .
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:10 am

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 35):
She has disgraced her family, and her late son.

Not to mention her country. She is siding with a communist dictator.

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 35):
Nothing will happen to her, we Americans will forget this in a week, she'll be in Clear Water protesting this time next month

Well, to give her credit, she will banging pots and pans outside of the capitol building.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:03 am

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 28):
Who is he to accuse the US of interfering when he is the one trying to instigate a "struggle" involving a US Commonwealth that seems to be comfortable with its political status?

An unbelievable hypocrite, of course. But you need to remember that while we in the US are never supposed to interfere with the internal politics of another country, it is perfectly acceptable for other countries to interfere in our domestic politics.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:35 pm

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 37):
Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 35):
She has disgraced her family, and her late son.

Not to mention her country. She is siding with a communist dictator.

What should happen to her? It's not treason, she is a cow.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 37):
Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 35):
Nothing will happen to her, we Americans will forget this in a week, she'll be in Clear Water protesting this time next month

Well, to give her credit, she will banging pots and pans outside of the capitol building.

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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting IceTitan447 (Reply 39):
What should happen to her? It's not treason, she is a cow.

Nothing, just let her keep doing it. She's just the flavour of the week.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:02 pm

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
Interesting to note that this wacko wakes up every day demanding the US to stop interfering with Venezuela's and other countries' internal affairs and at the same time he tells the US to let go of Puerto Rico...

Let the loud mouth speak. He will screw up his country even more than it is and then come begging the U.S. for some sort of aid.

As usual, it's the good people of Venezuela who will suffer.
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RE: Hugo Chavez Calls For Independence Of Puerto Rico

Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:07 pm

Reminds me pf the old -Gilda Radner/ Emily Litella (the hard of hearing guest reporter):



"What's all this fuss I hear about making Puerto Rico a steak? Let me warn all of you: if you make Puerto Rick a steak, the next thing they'll want is a baked potato-with sour cram and chives and little bacon bits. And then they'll probably want a salad bar! Why, they'll be lined up for miles!"
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