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New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:18 pm

For the NRA member in your family, consider this beauty for the next birthday or holiday!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/02/lab.defense.ap/index.html
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:26 pm

Need to mount those on some Armored Hummers - or a couple C-130s.

Fifty rounds per second? I'd hate like hell to be the A-Gunner on that thing!!!  crazy 

Belt fed obviously, from a very deeeeep banana box!
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:28 pm

I think I could mount that to my truck  devil 
 
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:35 pm

Finally, something to deter those annoying dinosaurs from doing their business in my yard...
 
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:12 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Fifty rounds per second? I'd hate like hell to be the A-Gunner on that thing!!!

How did I know that the first reply was going to come from ANCFlyer?
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:35 pm

Quoting Pope (Reply 4):
How did I know that the first reply was going to come from ANCFlyer?



Quoting Pope (Thread starter):
New Gun

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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:38 am

Hooray, I'm going to go out to the woods today and bag me a brontosaurus...  crazy 

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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:42 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 4):
Pope From Vatican City State (Holy See),

I guess you'll be kitting out the Swiss Guard with them then?  Smile
 
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:45 am

Quoting Pope (Reply 4):
How did I know that the first reply was going to come from ANCFlyer?

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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:52 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Belt fed obviously, from a very deeeeep banana box!

Here's the link to the companies stat sheet on the weapon.

http://dillonaero.com/

As I thought it's electrically powered so hopefully they have back up power or it could easily be disabled. If you check out the pics, they do offer a Humvee mount. No longer will you have to talk about that "Buck" that got away! Interestingly they don't give a caliber. Wonder if you get to pick your favorite?

edited since I forgot to post the link!

[Edited 2006-02-03 17:16:14]
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:06 am

7.62 maybe? I would not like to be on the receiving end of it. I told the wife I wanted one. She asked what in Heaven I needed that for. Simple reply when it comes to my firearms...
"I don't have one, so I must need one!"

How can we get this smiley?

http://www.msnemotions.org/emoticons/1348.Machine-Gun.html

[Edited 2006-02-03 17:09:05]
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:19 am

Isn't 50 rds/sec (3000 rds/min) on the low end for gatling guns?
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:41 am

I think a man has to right to defend his family and property.

Remember it's people that kill, not guns.

It's a business too & they 're nice toys.

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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:16 am

Dillon also makes reloading equipment that I highly recommend.

http://dillonprecision.com

The Dillon XL 650, up to 1,000 rounds per hour:

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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 12):
Remember it's people that kill, not guns.

wrong, Chuck NOrris kills them.
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:40 am

The electronic gatling type guns that have been out for a while are generally capable of firing for short periods at extremely high rates. The problem with mounting a minigun is that it weighs alot, hence this one being made from titanium and lowering the weight, but the ammo also weighs alot. Then there's recoil.

The GE M-61 20mm has been in use for 40 years, and the A-10 uses a 30mm GAU-8, and the GAU-19 is the .50 minigun that is mounted on some helos nad is a complete badass as well.

They have a 5.56 minigun that has been mounted on plenty of smaller vehicles (including a badass GMC Suburban), but its drawbacks sometimes outweigh the benefits. You have to carry alot of ammo to make it last through most gunfights which is why you'll see them either in conjunction with another heavy weapon or on fixed mountings. You'll often see specops helos with a minigun and a traditional .50 cal on the other side.

It's pretty cool to see, and absolutely terrifying if you hear that buzzsaw sound and know that your own side doesn't have any.

Those things will shred what they hit.....as long as you don't run out of ammo too quickly.
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:02 am

The Gatling isn't a new weapon. I am not sure about it's application at Lawrence Livermore though.

The one advantage of any electrically function weapon such as the Gatling or the Chain gun family is that you can simply change the rate of fire, depending on how fast or slow you run the motor that powers it.

There is a 3 barrel .50 gatling out there, I am not sure if that is an improvement over the M2 though.
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:19 am

Demonstration video of the 7.62mm Dillon minigun in action:

http://www.pureluckdesign.com/videos/Dillon%20minigun%20demo.wmv


*edit* Take two on posting the link.

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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:29 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 16):
The Gatling isn't a new weapon. I am not sure about it's application at Lawrence Livermore though.

They have a defense nuclear research facility there and they produce/handle weapons grade material on a regular basis. The application at LL would be one of defence against anyone who thought it would be good to attack the facility. The neighbors moved there after the place was built and don't need to be whining about security measures.....its like the noise whiners at airports who move in way after the airports built.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 16):
There is a 3 barrel .50 gatling out there, I am not sure if that is an improvement over the M2 though.

It's got a good compromise between ammo consumption and high rate of fire. It's fairly devastating.
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:33 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 18):
The application at LL would be one of defence against anyone who thought it would be good to attack the facility

True, but my thinking is more around the thinking the military did when they took the M16A1 which was full auto and made the A2 which only has a 3 round burst.

I think they spent a lot of money on something that will make a lot of noise, but won't be any more effective then a M249 or a 60.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 18):
It's got a good compromise between ammo consumption and high rate of fire. It's fairly devastating.

That and you don't need a battery to get the M2 to run.
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):

I think they spent a lot of money on something that will make a lot of noise, but won't be any more effective then a M249 or a 60.

Yes...it is much more effective as it has the same range, but a higher rate of fire. It will literally shred whatever it hits up to frontal armor on a BMP. The advantage is that you have multiple rounds hitting the same spot and achieving greater penetration in each hit. This is the way that the GAU-8 opens up MBT armor....the first strike doesn't do it. It's the 5 more that hit in the same spot that second that do it.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
That and you don't need a battery to get the M2 to run.

Well, most of them are hooked into power sources with continuous flow. They don't need batteries. That's one of the reasons that you don't see them hand carried.
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:56 am

You've got to have the right tool for the job.  thumbsup  to the Lab or whatever agency made the decision for the hardware, and many congrats to Dillon for their contract win! I know these are top-quality pieces if they are as well-made as their reloading equipment is!
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:12 am

I'd have one mounted on the roof above the front door to greet all the Jehovah's witnesses & co when they come a knockin'.
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:19 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 10):
How can we get this smiley?

Like this?
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting AerorobNZ (Reply 22):
I'd have one mounted on the roof above the front door to greet all the Jehovah's witnesses & co when they come a knockin'.

Better get your flame-proof suit on!
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:12 am

Quoting DL021 (Reply 15):
You have to carry alot of ammo to make it last through most gunfights which is why you'll see them either in conjunction with another heavy weapon or on fixed mountings. You'll often see specops helos with a minigun and a traditional .50 cal on the other side.

I talked with a guy at work who flew specops helos and he said it was one great weapon. Not only could he fire it as crew chief but he could push it forward into a lock position and then one of the pilots could fire it using a joystick. He also said the only drawback was it's rate of fire vs ammo carried. According to him you could burn through your entire basic load in just about a minute flat.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
True, but my thinking is more around the thinking the military did when they took the M16A1 which was full auto and made the A2 which only has a 3 round burst.

And that was a sad day for the M16. I was an auto rifleman for a while in the Ranger Battalion, that was fun. Even with the SAW I think they should have left the M16 alone. Wonder how quick the sear pin gets filed down once the trooper hits the combat zone?

Quoting L-188 (Reply 19):
I think they spent a lot of money on something that will make a lot of noise, but won't be any more effective then a M249 or a 60.

I don't know about that. Ammunition supply would not be a problem as it appears as though the weapon is mounted on the building. Should be able to store as much ammunition as needed nearby and link it all up.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 20):
Well, most of them are hooked into power sources with continuous flow. They don't need batteries. That's one of the reasons that you don't see them hand carried.

Remember Predator 1? Didn't one of the characters in that movie have a man portable version of this weapon? Same with T2?
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:26 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 25):
Remember Predator 1? Didn't one of the characters in that movie have a man portable version of this weapon? Same with T2?

Wasn't the character in Predator played by Jesse Ventura - isn't he a politician now across the pond? - who called his weapon "old painless"? Didn't stop the Predator ripping his chest out if I recall. The sound of the empty barrels spinning is class...........slightly off topic but what the hell!
 
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:27 am

Did anyone get the fact that there is a suburban area across the freakin' street from where they are mounting these things. WTF

Overkill really.

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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:28 am

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 10):
How can we get this smiley?

I use this one:



 bigthumbsup 

AFAIK, none of the M2s I ever used - groudn or vehicle mounted - had an electrical power source. On the Abrams, which mounts the M2 on the Commanders station, there is an electric trigger but it's simply a solenoid that when activated persses the left side butterfly of the M2s trigger. There is no electrical connection to the weapon. On the M85 .50cal, mounted on the M60 tank, there was an electrical connection and electric trigger mounted. It failed often.
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:45 am

They already have one that fires 16000+ a second: http://www.goyk.com/flash.asp?path=516
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:51 am

Quoting Ant72LBA (Reply 26):
Wasn't the character in Predator played by Jesse Ventura - isn't he a politician now across the pond?

Ventura was previously the Governor of Minnesota for one term a few years back...not sure what he's up to these days though...

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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:50 pm

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 25):
I was an auto rifleman for a while in the Ranger Battalion, that was fun. Even with the SAW I think they should have left the M16 alone.

I was issued an A1 in basic. I prefered the handguards and the sights of the A1 also. I felt the handguards fit my hand better, and the sights.....well I hate those multiadjustable cabinent hinges too.....too many adjustments.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 28):
AFAIK, none of the M2s I ever used - groudn or vehicle mounted - had an electrical power source.

Never saw one that wasn't recoil operated either.

Closest I can think of are those WWII navy versions that used water cooling delivered by the ship for the barrels, but I don't thinks those have been around since the Korean War.
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 2:12 pm

I just hope that Ann Coulter does not get a hold of one of those.
50 rounds/sec, she can kill off the Muslim race in a couple of
days. Why do we need such a gun?? What we need our government
to design is better bullet proof vest.

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Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:48 pm

If they were in our schools, we wouldn't have any violence.
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sat Feb 04, 2006 5:35 pm

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 32):
Why do we need such a gun??

Actually the gun was developed to get the maximum weight of shells onto a target during a fireing burst. Which is why it's big brother the M-61 was developed.
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sun Feb 05, 2006 3:41 am

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 32):
What we need our government
to design is better bullet proof vest.

I don't think there is a bullet proof vest anywhere in the world, short of an armored vehicle, that would save you from this weapon.
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sun Feb 05, 2006 4:23 am

50 rounds a second?
I call that "remote chainsaw"!
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:53 pm

Quoting TWISTEDWHISPER (Reply 36):
50 rounds a second?
I call that "remote chainsaw"!

I call it "Not bad, a good start!"
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:55 am

Quoting WrenchBender (Reply 27):
Overkill really.

Not really. Do you have any kind of idea what Livermore Labs builds? They are owned by Sandia. You know, the same one that does stuff in the New Mexico (Los Alamos) desert every know and then.

http://www.sandia.gov/mission/nuclear/index.html

http://www.sandia.gov/mission/mta/index.html

These are they guys who make toys that you never hear about for the military. There are people who would pay hundreds of millions of dollars for some of the weapons Sandia designs.

BTW, Dillon Precision tests those toys out here in the AZ desert. They used to have a RC corvette that they had shot up sitting outside their hangar.
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RE: New Gun Fires 50 Rounds / Sec

Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:05 am

I just remembered that Sandia also owns the fastest computer in the world. Hint-its not for chess.

http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/ne...comp-soft-math/redstormrising.html

Someday they may achieve fusion.

http://www.sandia.gov/media/zmachine.htm
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