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Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 2:55 am

So Hugo Chavez, the self-appointed spokesman of Latin America took himself further off the deep end and stated that the UK needs to return the Falkland Islands to Argentina. When will this guy end it?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americ...10/venzuela.chavez.reut/index.html
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:00 am

He's just a gadfly.

I'm sure no one wants this pointless can of worms opened up again.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:01 am

Well, he does want to be the Mugabe of South America.

Just let him keep talking out of his arse.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:01 am

And this coming from Fidel's stooge, imagine that. Why doesn't he sail his navy down there and try to take them? Simple; he's so full of shit his eyes are brown.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
Well, he does want to be the Mugabe of South America.

No point of comparison whatsoever


and why do the Brits need the Falklands for? Nothing !

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 1):

I'm sure no one wants this pointless can of worms opened up again

At least he says what he thinks...other Lat Am presidents shut their mouths !
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:23 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 4):
and why do the Brits need the Falklands for? Nothing !

I fully agree! The empire dreams, dreams, dreams...  Wink - all prestige and dreams of the past
 
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 4):
and why do the Brits need the Falklands for? Nothing !

Because the people of the islands want it to stay that way. Simple.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:29 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 4):

and why do the Brits need the Falklands for? Nothing !

More importantly, why does Britain need Scotland? Everyone moans about Gibraltar and the Falklands...we'd gladly give away Scotland.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:30 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 6):
Because the people of the islands want it to stay that way. Simple.

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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:33 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 6):
Because the people of the islands want it to stay that way. Simple.

If they were the original inhabitants of the islands, they should have a say, but they are not, so they don't.

Chavez is a stooge, he should get out of other countries' conflicts and solve the big conflict he has in his own.

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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:36 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 9):
If they were the original inhabitants of the islands, they should have a say, but they are not, so they don't.

Really? I presume you apply the same conditions to all those in South America of Spanish descent?
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:37 am

Return? How about fuck off!

Seriously, just because they are closer to Argentina than Britain doesnt give Argentina any better claim to the islands than us.

They were invaded thinking that the British didnt care enough to retake them and it would be passed off as a mildly annoying diplomatic issue, boy were they wrong. Take the hint, they are ours, the people that live there want to stay British citizens.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 9):
If they were the original inhabitants of the islands, they should have a say, but they are not, so they don't.

So if the American Indians want the US and Canada back, the current population of the US has no say? How about the Incas and south america?

Ok then.
 
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:38 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 10):
Really? I presume you apply the same conditions to all those in South America of Spanish descent?

Different situation. Kelpers are in "borrowed" land. While the spanish are in and acknowledge the countries existence.

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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:43 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 11):
So if the American Indians want the US and Canada back, the current population of the US has no say?

Really, have you read how incoherent your comparison was? And they've claimed their land for years.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 11):
How about the Incas and south america?

Same with this one.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 11):
Return? How about fuck off!

It's a colony. And that's the same principle why the UK handed out Hong Kong to China.


Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 11):
They were invaded thinking that the British didnt care

The British didn't until we did. Just for your sake, the "Falklanders" live of OUR national economy, not the British. They have Tierra del Fuego's sanitary support, not British.  Yeah sure

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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 13):
It's a colony. And that's the same principle why the UK handed out Hong Kong to China.

Try checking your facts. The UK had a lease on the New Territories which expired, making it impossible to keep the remaining territory so it was all returned.
 
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:49 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 13):
The British didn't until we did. Just for your sake, the "Falklanders" live of OUR national economy, not the British. They have Tierra del Fuego's sanitary support, not British.

If I recall correctly, General Galtieri and his thugs opened up an awful large can of whoopass there.

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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:52 am

Quoting FlyLondon (Reply 14):
The UK had a lease on the New Territories which expired, making it impossible to keep the remaining territory so it was all returned.

Same with the Portugese, which is why they gave back Macau at the same time.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:53 am

Why does Chavez tell the USA to mind their own business when he can't do the same? I smell a hypocrite!
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:54 am

Quoting FlyLondon (Reply 14):
Try checking your facts. The UK had a lease on the New Territories which expired, making it impossible to keep the remaining territory so it was all returned.

Hong Kong was still a colony. It was on Chinese soil. The fact that they had a treaty, does not change at all that it was. Check yours.

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 15):
If I recall correctly, General Galtieri and his thugs opened up an awful large can of whoopass there.

What the military did was unforgivable. The Falkands are still feeding on the Argentine economy.

As our former Foreign Relationship Minister said, "no importa cuántos años, cuántos gobiernos pasen, la Argentina NUNCA dejará de reclamar por algo que es suyo, las Malvinas"

"no matter how many years, how many governments pass through, Argentina will NEVER stop claiming for something that it's hers, the Malvinas"

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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:55 am

MD-11Junkie, wrong, wrong and wrong again.
The Falkland Islanders are the inhabitants, the only permanent inhabitants, ever.
They want to remain British, end of story, it's called democracy, which often has messy outcomes.

In 1982, you'd have us allow 1800 of OUR people, come under the dubious care of a Junta with an appalling human rights record?
The humiliating failure of this desperate enterprise, led directly to the fall of the Junta, so a triple result, Islanders allowed to be who THEY want to be, a message is sent to every two bit dictator out there, the Junta themselves fall.
So despite the Argentine loss of life in this conflict, those who had killed many, many more times as many Argentines since 1976, were out of power, some to face trial later.

Empire had nothing to do with it, what ignorant rubbish, CamAir, your ambassador here frequently rails against perceived British stereotypes of Germans, if you're view is anything like a common one in Germany (I expect not), then who is using lazy stereotypes now?
Work it out Sherlock, Argentina did what it did as they thought the UK had no interest in such a far flung place, hardly the actions of a UK still 'dreaming of empire'.

Chavez is actually towing a line similar to most S.American nations, then and now.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:56 am

Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

I think they did but to no avail. You see, Argentina has a No Return policy after 30 days.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
The Falkland Islanders are the inhabitants, the only permanent inhabitants, ever.

LOL, where did you get that WRONG fact? The British EXPELLED the inhabitants of the islands in 1833. I don't know what they teach you up there, but that's PLAIN wrong.

Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
you'd have us allow 1800 of OUR people, come under the dubious care of a Junta with an appalling human rights record?

No. The Kelpers would have gone back to the UK, where they belong. And NATURAL inhabitants of the Malvinas, Argentine people, would have been restored. The Junta's Human Rights record is out of the question here.

Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
They want to remain British, end of story, it's called democracy, which often has messy outcomes.

Good for them, go back to the UK if you want to remain British! The Malvinas belong to ARGENTINA.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:08 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 21):
Quoting GDB (Reply 19):
The Falkland Islanders are the inhabitants, the only permanent inhabitants, ever.

LOL, where did you get that WRONG fact? The British EXPELLED the inhabitants of the islands in 1833. I don't know what they teach you up there, but that's PLAIN wrong.

The islands were uninhabited when we took them, there is no one to give them back to, Argentina has no claim to them and Chavez should just STFU.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:09 am

Quoting Solarix (Reply 17):
Why does Chavez tell the USA to mind their own business when he can't do the same? I smell a hypocrite!

Because he's a moronic Demagogue, who can keep his gob shut

Just like these useless idiots:



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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:11 am

I understand that the penguin soup is delicious in the Falklands.

It goes rather well with toast and a dollop of marmite.

The penguin dulce de leche, on the other hand, is just a bad idea.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 22):
The islands were uninhabited when we took them, there is no one to give them back to

Sure there was people. Why is "Stanley" or whatever, called Puerto Argentino by us? Because we were there first.  Yeah sure

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 22):
Chavez should just STFU.

Agreed.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argent

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:12 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 13):
It's a colony. And that's the same principle why the UK handed out Hong Kong to China.

No, Hong Kong was ceeded to Britain under the 1842 after the defeat of the Chinese government in the first opium wars. Kowloon was leased under a perpetual license in 1860.

In order to protect these areas, Britain signed a 99 year lease on further territories which significantly increased the size of the British colony, but in order to do this all the currently held territories came under the 99 year limit.

Thats why Hong Kong was handed back, because it was agreed.

The Falkland Islands are ours by virtue of a British captain being the first to sight the islands (1592), the first to land on the islands (1692), the first to lay claim to the islands (1692), and the longest and largest occupation of the islands (1,800 people 1833 to present).

The Argentinians didnt lay claim to the islands until 1820, invaded the islands in 1828 and was driven off by a British force not long thereafter.

The British had an outpost on the island in 1765, 55 years before the Argentinians laid claim to it. Various other countries have tried settling on the islands but have always been driven off.

The Argentinians have no legal claim to the islands, they can bugger off.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 13):
Really, have you read how incoherent your comparison was? And they've claimed their land for years.

The comment was in reply to:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 9):
If they were the original inhabitants of the islands, they should have a say, but they are not, so they don't.

The Argentinians were never the origional inhabitants at all, they didnt even have a settlement on the islands until 55 years after the British, so by even your standards they have no claim.

My answer is perfectly fine, if the British have no claim because they arent the 'origional inhabitants' then the population of the US, Canada, the south americas dont have a say in who owns their countries, because they arent the origional inhabitants - you cant have it both ways.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 13):
The British didn't until we did. Just for your sake, the "Falklanders" live of OUR national economy, not the British. They have Tierra del Fuego's sanitary support, not British.

Yes we did, the British government was in talks about the Falkland Islands from 1965, when the matter was first raised in the UN, until the 1982 invasion. And the British Colonies on those islands have a main income from the British Armed Forces on the island and fishing and tourism - they derive little income from the Argentinian economy. I fail to see how some islands several hundred miles away can supply sanitary support?

You do not invade British territory.
 
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:15 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 25):
Sure there was people. Why is "Stanley" or whatever, called Puerto Argentino by us? Because we were there first.

Deutchland is called Germany by us. Doesn't mean it's British.  Yeah sure

I would suggest you go away and do some studying. Argentina's claim to sovereignty is largely predicated on the country's proximity to the islands and little more.

There were no "natural" inhabitants of the islands, British or Argentine.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:17 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 25):
Sure there was people. Why is "Stanley" or whatever, called Puerto Argentino by us? Because we were there first.



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 21):
LOL, where did you get that WRONG fact? The British EXPELLED the inhabitants of the islands in 1833. I don't know what they teach you up there, but that's PLAIN wrong.

You werent there first, you were squatting on Sovereign British territory.

Oh, and you know what claims Argentina are actually basing their ownership of the islands on? The Papal decree that gave the Americas to Spain. Thats it. Spain got half the known world from a decree by a religious leader who didnt even command Britain at the time, the papal decree holds no legal water.
 
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 4):
and why do the Brits need the Falklands for? Nothing !

Because their citizens live there, and they have repeatedly expressed theier own desire to remain part of Britian. That's reason enough. It's called (gasp!) SELF DETERMINATION!!

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 9):
If they were the original inhabitants of the islands, they should have a say, but they are not, so they don't.

The ARE the inhabitants now, so they DO have a say. And they said it over and over. And they asked the British to interceed on their behalf in 1982.

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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:18 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 21):
The Malvinas belong to ARGENTINA.

Try to take them back; Again. Round one had Margaret Thatcher; for Round two, Tony Blair is no panty waist either.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 26):
Hong Kong was ceeded to Britain under the 1842 after the defeat of the Chinese government in the first opium wars

Colony.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 26):
The British had an outpost on the island in 1765, 55 years before the Argentinians laid claim to it. Various other countries have tried settling on the islands but have always been driven off.

Prove this.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 26):
The Falkland Islands are ours by virtue of a British captain being the first to sight the islands (1592), the first to land on the islands (1692), the first to lay claim to the islands (1692), and the longest and largest occupation of the islands (1,800 people 1833 to present).

So America is all British, Spanish, French and Portuguese then?  Yeah sure

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 26):
The Argentinians have no legal claim to the islands, they can bugger off.

We do, it's inside our territory. Alien nation, inside another.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 26):
I fail to see how some islands several hundred miles away can supply sanitary support?

Here's where aviation comes to mind:

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This plane, a Learjet 60 is owned by the province of "Tierra del Fuego, Antártida Argentina, Islas Malvinas y del Atlántico Sur". It goes BACK and forth from the island carrying medicine, and pacients. Really, that's how you fail to understand the idea that Argentina is vital to their sanitation?

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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 31):
Really, that's how you fail to understand the idea that Argentina is vital to their sanitation?

I think you mean "health and well-being", not sanitation. Otherwise, I want a Lear jet to come collect my garbage, too!
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argent

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:28 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 27):
I would suggest you go away and do some studying. Argentina's claim to sovereignty is largely predicated on the country's proximity to the islands and little more.

That's ONE of the points.

Quoting Miamiair (Reply 30):
Try to take them back; Again. Round one had Margaret Thatcher; for Round two, Tony Blair is no panty waist either.

Sorry, I've had enough with that stupid attitude. They've caused enough deaths in families close to me. Your post is plain stupid.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 29):
The ARE the inhabitants now, so they DO have a say. And they said it over and over. And they asked the British to interceed on their behalf in 1982.

Well really, now. If they ASKED the British to interceed, that means that the British didn't have any "army" or whatever, to defend their territory. That's how you cared?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 29):
Note to Hugo Castro:

I take it you are joking, here.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 28):
The Papal decree that gave the Americas to Spain. Thats it. Spain got half the known world from a decree by a religious leader who didnt even command Britain at the time, the papal decree holds no legal water.

The Pope was ousted as a legal authority by this country, and even in Spain. I don't care what the Pope has to say about my country, he doesn't rule it nor he does rule Spain.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 32):
I think you mean "health and well-being", not sanitation. Otherwise, I want a Lear jet to come collect my garbage, too!

Thank you Westy! That's exactly what I meant  Smile

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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:30 am

Ah, the Falklands, any excuse for a punch up eh? Why the hell people can't let the islanders get on with the life they live without demanding this and quoting that I don't know.

It really doesn't matter any more what happened nearly 180 years ago. The people that live there now have decided they want the British to be their protectors and what have you. They also want to trade with Argentina. Why the hell would anyone want to make such a song and dance about such a desolate and isolated set of islands?

Maybe because it would look good to make the once Great Britain look weak? or maybe it's just like the Junta days when it is something to take the heat off the government.

Just leave them be. Be nice to them and maybe one day they'll WANT to come under Argentina's wing. But first, get Argentia's economy back on track, make that lovely country wealthy again and then see what happens.

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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:30 am

As Pink Floyd would say:

"Brezhnev took Afghanistan; and Begin took Beirut. And Galtierie took the Union Jack!

And Maggie, over lunch one day, took a cruiser with all hands, apparently to make him give it back."
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 33):
Your post is plain stupid.

You are seriously lacking a sense of humor.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 31):
Colony.

The fact that Hong Kong was a colony is not in dispute. But the Falkland Islands is not a colony, its a British Territory and not subject to local rule, indiginous population or treaty.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 31):
Prove this.

The British settled the West Falkland Islands in 1765, the Argentinians didnt have their first settlement on any of the islands until 1828. Why do I need to prove whats fact and historically correct?

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 31):
So America is all British, Spanish, French and Portuguese then?

Origionally they were, incase you havent read up on American history. It was a war of independance that made the US an independant country, and various other acts that made the other countries independant.

This hasnt happened to the Falkland Islands.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 31):
We do, it's inside our territory. Alien nation, inside another.

Its near your territory, its not inside. The islands are 300 miles from the nearest argentinian territory, and that falls outside territorial waters, fishing limits and every other definition of territory you can come up with.

Plus it was declared to be British before the Argentinians declared their interest.

Saying it should belong to Argentinia because its near is like saying Cuba should belong to the US because its near.

The Jersey Islands are also closer to France than Britain, but they are still British Crown territory.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 31):

This plane, a Learjet 60 is owned by the province of "Tierra del Fuego, Antártida Argentina, Islas Malvinas y del Atlántico Sur". It goes BACK and forth from the island carrying medicine, and pacients. Really, that's how you fail to understand the idea that Argentina is vital to their sanitation?

The British RAF fly regular flights several times a week to the Islands which includes the capacity for passengers and cargo, they arent exactly dependant on one single Learjet. Dont try and place too much on something that wouldnt probably be missed. Also several other countries fly flights to the islands, are you saying each of them have claim as well?
 
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:37 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 33):
Well really, now. If they ASKED the British to interceed, that means that the British didn't have any "army" or whatever, to defend their territory. That's how you cared?

NO they didn't, but since the Falkands IS British territory, Maggie sent the Royal Navy to kick the invaders out, and that's what THE INHABITANTS asked the British to do.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 33):
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 29):
Note to Hugo Castro:

I take it you are joking, here.

I'm dead serious. He's just a Castro Mini-me.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 33):

Well really, now. If they ASKED the British to interceed, that means that the British didn't have any "army" or whatever, to defend their territory. That's how you cared?

The first invasion occured on the 19th March, a British warship was dispatched to remove the camp on the 25th, but it was prevented from doing so by 3 Argentinian warships.

The invasion proper occured on the 31st March, and the British Marines on the island resisted until they surrendered on the 4th April. The Argentinian force consisted of 10,000 men verses a British force on the islands of a couple of hundred. You do the math.

Immediately a British taskforce was mustered and dispatched, resulting in a complete and utter defeat of the Argentinian invaders on June 14th with the loss of 655 Argentinian solders to 255 British soldiers.

If the British are to be scorned for having no army in place on the island to defend against a vastly numerically superior force, then hows the Argentinians supposed to feel about being defeated only a few hundred miles from their mainland, by a force several thousand miles from theirs?

Stay off our Islands.
 
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:44 am

MD11junkie,

I think British history is well documented, so the facts about the Falklands should be pretty clear to all those who wish to look. Thats both good and bad facts about Britain so you are not likely to find propaganda. Can you say the same about Argentina's history. You were fed a lot of false information at the time of the invasion I seem to recall. Are you sure you have your facts right now?
 
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:55 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 31):
So America is all British, Spanish, French and Portuguese then?

Well there is the theory that some chinese sailors may have made the west coast prior to all of the other countries listed.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 31):
This plane, a Learjet 60 is owned by the province of "Tierra del Fuego, Antártida Argentina, Islas Malvinas y del Atlántico Sur". It goes BACK and forth from the island carrying medicine, and pacients. Really, that's how you fail to understand the idea that Argentina is vital to their sanitation?

The choice of sanitation seemed a bit odd.

But I don't think that we should be calling a time-critical medivac aircraft a lifeline. Most routine supplies don't have to come in on that aircraft. And if push came to shove, a longer ranged aircraft could be used to fly pts to South Africa, Brazil, or even back to GB.

I am just saying that Agentina is the logical choice for those time sensitive missions, but they could go elsewhere....just a question of time.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:57 am

What right has the Venuzalen President to interfere in the future of the Falkland Islands?

As far as I am concerned, the Falkland Islanders want to stay British. End of Story
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:02 am

You know, I got tired of arguing this. This is getting NOWHERE. And I simply don't want to spend my time arguing with you guys. I'm stubborn as hell and your well proven points, will not change my mind against the islands. I do love Great Britain and don't hold a grudge against the UK because of this. It's just a matter of pride to fight for the islands.

You've made your well proven points - and I respect that, thank you all for this discussion.

Andy, thank YOU for that post.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 39):
Stay off our Islands.

Nice provoking line, smarty. You were doing really good with your post, but with a single line - you destroyed it.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 39):
If the British are to be scorned for having no army in place on the island to defend against a vastly numerically superior force, then hows the Argentinians supposed to feel about being defeated only a few hundred miles from their mainland, by a force several thousand miles from theirs?

This speaks loads from you. Are you really seriously comparing the world's 2nd superpower with a lousy army in the South cone? Are you really THAT clueless?
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:11 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 43):
It's just a matter of pride to fight for the islands.

Sometimes you have to fight for what is right. Look where pride got you. Look where what is right got us.

What use is pride when it causes death and defeat?
 
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 43):
This speaks loads from you. Are you really seriously comparing the world's 2nd superpower with a lousy army in the South cone? Are you really THAT clueless?

So what was the point of the invasion? It was unprovoked and uncalled for, thats why I say 'Stay off our Islands', because the Falklands demonstrates the resolve of the British Government when it comes to British Territory.

I have nothing against Argentina, its somewhere I plan to visit someday. The invasion was part of a failed attempt to boost a country by a military Junta, and while it was largely supported in a sense by the average person on the street it was by no means their fault. Ultimately it failed on all fronts and eventually led to the demise of the government.

However, to continually claim sovereignty of an island that has been repeatedly demonstrated to not belong to you is in my opinion insane.
 
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:24 am

The history of any area depends on who is writing it and for what reason,but the following site gives dates relevent to the island's history


http://gosouthamerica.about.com/gi/d...om%2Fvanished%2Ffalklands-war.html

Make what you want from it

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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 43):
You know, I got tired of arguing this. This is getting NOWHERE. And I simply don't want to spend my time arguing with you guys

Can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 43):
I'm stubborn as hell and your well proven points, will not change my mind against the islands.

Fine, don't change your mind. But they're Britian's. Won by both discovery, and with blood. It is theirs till the citizens there say otherwise. Self-determination is a bitch, isn't it?

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 43):
It's just a matter of pride to fight for the islands.

You did fight for them-led by a bunch of bandits like Galtieri. You lost. Until you can take them by force, they're the U.K.'s. Is it REALLY worth young Argentinians to die to get that rock back? Think about it.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 43):
Are you really seriously comparing the world's 2nd superpower with a lousy army in the South cone?

Britian stopped being a Superpower around 1944. They are a world power, but not a Superpower. And maybe the Junta should have thought about that before sending that lousy army to the Falklands in the first place.
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:33 am

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 4):
and why do the Brits need the Falklands for? Nothing !



Quoting CamAir (Reply 5):
I fully agree! The empire dreams, dreams, dreams... - all prestige and dreams of the past

Aside from the rest of the thread, what a very strange argument. Who cares what we need them for, they're ours. And just because someone decides we don't need them, doesn't mean we should have to surrender them.

I could argue why the Dutch need the Antilles, or indeed France needs Polynesia?

Attitutudes like that can be dangerous.
 
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RE: Chavez Says UK Must Return Falklands To Argentina

Sat Feb 11, 2006 5:35 am

Is it true many people incriminate Chile for having provided Brits with military bases ?

I'd like to know if that is true ? if yes...another damn for Pinochet !
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