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Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:40 am

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http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/02/11/Calif.execution.ap/index.html

Prosecutors: Kenneth Starr, lawyer sent fake letters

Lawyers: Bogus letters sent to governor asking to spare client's life

Saturday, February 11, 2006; Posted: 3:18 p.m. EST (20:18 GMT)

SAN FRANCISCO, California (AP) -- Lawyers for a death row inmate, including former Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr, sent fake letters from jurors asking California's governor to spare the man's life, prosecutors said Friday.

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Uhhhh, oops? His defense? That the jurors were intimidated when asked if they really sent the letters and thus denied it.

If this is true and Starr fabricated these letters, he should lose his license to practice law.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:41 am

Are you telling me Kenneth Starr is actually defending a death row inmate? I thought I would never see this day.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:46 am

Yes, Kenneth Starr is opposed to the death penalty. He recently was on the defense team for Michael Morales and tried to get the judge to overturn the death penalty for him, thus resulting in this mess.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:50 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 2):
Yes, Kenneth Starr is opposed to the death penalty. He recently was on the defense team for Michael Morales and tried to get the judge to overturn the death penalty for him, thus resulting in this mess.

Interesting. Is he Catholic or something?
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:52 am

His dad was a Church of Christ Minister. I don't know anything else about that.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:53 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 4):
His dad was a Church of Christ Minister. I don't know anything else about that.

Even more interesting. Is Evil Ken still the dean at Pepperdine?
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:59 am

Yes. He is still the dean.

I get the feeling that there are a number of details that we haven't heard yet.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:01 am

Hmmm, well since the CNN article wasn't enough for ya:

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-starr12.html
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:08 am

From the Sun Times article:

Friday, the San Joaquin district attorney's office sent Schwarzenegger new sworn statements from five of the jurors saying they not only still supported capital punishment for Morales, but had never spoken with the defense investigator who claimed to have secured their signatures.

Not Starr, not the other defense lawyer, but they investigator they hired.

Could Star and Co. been duped by their investigator.....I suspect it will turn out he is the villian.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:12 am

But what would the invesitgator have for this? What motive would he have to fake letters? Starr has served on anti-death penalty cases before and he was on the defense team for this case, the same team who hired this investigator. Could they have instructed this guy to create these fake letters?
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:22 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 9):
Could they have instructed this guy to create these fake letters?

He could have very easily, and it is a possiblity that the investigator was told by them to do it.

But you also can't discount the possibility that the investigator didn't do the work he was hired to do, faked some letters that the defense team sent on.

In my mind at this point, both are equally possible.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:26 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 6):
I get the feeling that there are a number of details that we haven't heard yet.

You say that for Starr. Had he had a (D) behind his name, you'd be cursing his ethical corruption, L-188.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:34 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):

You say that for Starr. Had he had a (D) behind his name, you'd be cursing his ethical corruption, L-188.

Knock it off.

I would be saying the same thing, wait until the story comes out, I would be wondering if he was scammed by the investigator that was charged by him to seek out these letters.

But he is also the ships captain responsible for the actions of those in his employ.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:19 am

Well my goodness, you can't expect a respected Special Instigator (oops! investigator) and Pepperdine Law School Dean to know every pesky detail of every little case he's working on.

(from the doubtlessly-slanted AP: "Morales' other clemency attorney, David Senior from Los Angeles, said he stood by the validity of the six sworn statements he and Starr sent to the governor. He suggested that the jurors might have gotten cold feet when they were contacted by prosecutors in the last two days.

"When the D.A. and A.G. show up with badges and guns and say whatever, they can intimidate a lot of people and that's their game," Senior said."

if there were shenanigans afoot, well, it's not Starr's fault. It's not his co-attorney's fault. It's not the hired investigators' fault. It's the gosh-darned District Attorney, and his hench-peoples' fault!

I'd wait for the definitive word from Fox News before I made any snap judgements here.
 
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:10 am

Well, at least he didn't shoot anyone.
 
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:16 am

Quoting Maury (Reply 13):
"When the D.A. and A.G. show up with badges and guns and say whatever, they can intimidate a lot of people and that's their game," Senior said."

I have no problem believing that statement, however I don't doubt there is a bit of arse covering there.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:18 am

L-188,

Sorry, I don't see why the investigator would have any sort of motive to fake these letters. And even if he did fake them, Starr should have made sure they were valid. He is ultimately responsible because his defense team hired this guy.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 16):
Starr should have made sure they were valid. He is ultimately responsible because his defense team hired this guy.

Agree with everything there. I made the comparison to a ship captain earlier.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:22 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 17):
I made the comparison to a ship captain earlier.

Woops, I just saw it now. Thanks for pointing it out.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 7:50 am

oh darn..looks like Cap'n Ken & Co. are blaming the investigator after all:

Citing no reliability, Morales lawyers withdraw juror statements

By DAVID KRAVETS, AP Legal Affairs Writer?Last Updated 2:00 pm PST Monday, February 13, 2006

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Former Whitewater independent counsel Kenneth Starr and a Los Angeles attorney said Monday they would withdraw unreliable affidavits from jurors submitted to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger as part of a bid to spare a murderer and rapist from execution.

The documents in support of clemency were purportedly made by six jurors interviewed by a defense team investigator. Prosecutors denounced them Friday as forgeries, but the defense team stood by them until Monday.

In a letter to Attorney General Bill Lockyer, Los Angeles attorney David Senior said he and Starr were "withdrawing any and all reliance on any exhibits generated" by one of their investigators.

Another statement taken purportedly taken from Morales' former Stockton roommate, and submitted to the California Supreme Court, requires "further investigation," Senior wrote.

In response, Keith Borjon, a state prosecutor, wrote California's justices that "I understand Mr. Senior's communication as a concession that forged and fabricated documents have, in fact, been presented to this court and to the governor's office."

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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:09 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 12):
Knock it off.

No way, hombre.  Big grin It's entertaining seeing a guy who wasted milions of American taxpayers money, not in hot water again.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:12 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
It's entertaining seeing a guy who wasted milions of American taxpayers money, not in hot water again.

Acutally it seems that Mr. Senior is working the point on this one.

Starr is not to be seen.
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RE: Kenneth Starr: Oops!

Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:29 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
Could Star and Co. been duped by their investigator.....I suspect it will turn out he is the villian.



Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 16):
Sorry, I don't see why the investigator would have any sort of motive to fake these letters.

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Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 16):
And even if he did fake them, Starr should have made sure they were valid.

It's a she, "Kathleen Culhane, the San Francisco private investigator who Starr and Senior said had interviewed the jurors, declined to comment." and why would Starr or Senior go back out and validate the letters? What would be the purpose in paying the investigator to get them originally then? That would be akin to the company commander going out and confirming what the reconnaissance patrol leader just told him.
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