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Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:42 pm

This is sickening... do not read if you get upset easily.



http://www.news24.com/News24/South_A...ws/0,6119,2-7-1442_1884335,00.html
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:46 pm

This raises the question, are animal rights laws flawed. Time to get tougher?
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:14 pm

Many people will treat animals like shit so long as there are no serious legal penalties for doing so. I personally think that harming animals should be a more serious offense than copying a movie or music file, but here in the US you get a slap on the wrist for killing dozens of other people's pets while copying movies and music can get you several years of jail time and hundreds of thousands in fines. Money buys power and animals don't have any money. Thus, they will always be treated like shit and nothing will ever change that.
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:17 pm

Some people think that it's ok to torture animals for the fun of it. Those people should be dealt with extremely harshly. If it were up to me, the penalty for torturing an animal for fun would be the same as the one for torturing a person for fun.

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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:23 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 2):
here in the US you get a slap on the wrist for killing dozens of other people's pets while copying movies and music can get you several years of jail time and hundreds of thousands in fines

Exactly! So are the animal activists and animal rights groups weak? Is their lobbying falling on deaf ears?
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:32 pm

It sickens me to see that. I am a big time animal lover (dogs) and cannot figure out how someone could do that to a dog. I would love to tie that son of a bitch up to the back of my Tahoe and drag him around town with a smile on my face. Let's see if he likes it. I too believe that penalties should be tougher against cruelty to animals. The dog I have now came from a abused family, I was walking my niece and 2 nephew's over to the park a few years ago when I noticed a guy kicking a dog wearing a pair of Doc Martin boots. I will never forget the sound the dog made yelping in pain. The dog (Megan) was laying on the ground in pain and this asshole is standing over her talking down to her like he was some tough guy. Before he could kick her again, I caught his foot on the backswing of the kick and lifted upwards pulling his foot further towards his back until he fell to the ground face first. I then removed both boots and threw them in the pond, picked up the dog, and took her and the kids back to my house. The funny thing is the guy never made a move towards me. Man enough to beat up a dog, but ball less to fight another man.

Anyway here is Megan now at this past Christmas


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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:29 pm

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 4):
Exactly! So are the animal activists and animal rights groups weak? Is their lobbying falling on deaf ears?

The two most powerful groups in the US are Corporate America and Christian America. Neither of them seem terribly concerned about the issue and thus nothing has changed. The groups who do push the issue, such as PITA and the Humane Society, are routinely and unapologetically ridiculed in the media and are the butt of endless jokes at the water cooler. They don't have nearly enough money or power to interest politicians, and so nothing has changed.
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:42 pm

This is disgusting... how people can get themselves to do this to defenseless creatures (and even worse; get a kick out of it) is simply beyond belief... it just shouldn't happen..

and no, it's not "time to get tougher"! It's been time to get tougher for years now!!!

How about the dogs (mostly puppies) and kittens that are bought or picked up from the street, get hooked through their legs or even through their mouth while they're still alive to be dragged through water to attract shark for shark fishing? Yes, this happens.

How about the dog fights that still go on and that the police can do nothing about unless they catch the criminals in the act- even if there are obvious proof?

Puppymills?

It has been time to get tougher a looong time... I hope someone realizes that...  Sad
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:21 pm

Quoting SATX (Reply 6):
The groups who do push the issue, such as PITA and the Humane Society, are routinely and unapologetically ridiculed in the media and are the butt of endless jokes at the water cooler.

Have you ever dealt with P.E.T.A.? Have you ever taken your deer into the D.N.R. to have it inspected and have P.E.T.A. bombard you about how you are a murderer, and how you should be ashamed of yourself for taking an animals life? P.E.T.A. can go to hell as far as I am concerned, and they can take E.L.F. with them.
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:57 am

Unfortunately I see this as another example of how cheap life has become in this country. Make no mistake I am not making excuses for this bastard but when you can be murdered for 5 bucks it makes you wonder what society has descended to. I'm not going to say again how I felt after reading this in case some of the "men" here decide to take another pot shot at me for having feelings for animals but believe me I am very upset.

The SPCA here has had some successes in the past but it doesn't help this poor animal that has already suffered such terrible pain. I wonder what went through the dog's mind as its "master" was treating it so abominably. Hopefully this asshole gets what he deserves.
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:59 am

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 5):
I would love to tie that son of a bitch up to the back of my Tahoe and drag him around town with a smile on my face. Let's see if he likes it.

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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:03 am

Wow,
after the pet thread this is the controversy...
Very sad...

Imagine that maybe only this event caught the news and many others are getting abused right now...

At least I know my dog is sleeping in front of the fireplace!
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:09 am

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 11):
Imagine that maybe only this event caught the news and many others are getting abused right now...

Unfortunately, no one will ever be able to stop animal abuse 100%...

There will always be furtraders in china, killing kittens and puppies inhumanely... there will always be people who're hitting their dogs and other pets.

Unfortunately... as the superior species of this planet, we really should know better and realize that we have a responsibility to protect creatures whose fate lies in our hands  Sad
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:40 am

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 11):
At least I know my dog is sleeping in front of the fireplace!

True, my dog is currently sleeping on his back, on my bed - his paws in the air, snoring away...
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:43 am

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the man was angry about the dog leaving his yard all the time and wanted to teach her a lesson by dragging her back home.

That is just f***ing sick!!! That man should be ashamed  ashamed  of himself! Who on God's earth wants to do that to an animal to treat her a 'lesson'. If I had my way with people like these I would have them stood up against a wall and shot. I know that makes me bad peson and all but the world could do without these people and it would be a deterrant to all animal abusers and the likes.

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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:58 am

I've seen some things like this... and worse.

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The worst I've seen was the skunk someone thought was expendible and unworthy of any decency. The kids trapped it in what was supposed to be a no-kill humane trap, doused it with gasoline and set it afire. When the humane officer arrived, the skunk had been doused with water, but was still alive and screaming in pain. She had to euthanize it on the spot. When she got the trap back to the shelter, the skunk had been burned so badly that as she removed its carcass, she discovered that its paws had "melted" to the cage.


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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:05 am

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 4):
Exactly! So are the animal activists and animal rights groups weak? Is their lobbying falling on deaf ears?

Because the largest animal rights group in the US (PETA) is unapologetic about their links to eco-terrorist and their advocating of violent activities against people they protest.

Until they change, they will have no mainstream credibility.
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:20 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 2):
Many people will treat animals like shit so long as there are no serious legal penalties for doing so...here in the US you get a slap on the wrist for killing dozens of other people's pets while copying movies and music can get you several years of jail time and hundreds of thousands in fines.

Many, if not most US states treat animal cruelty as a felony, with multiple years of prison time. There is legislation being passed all the time about this.
 
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:36 am

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 17):
Many, if not most US states treat animal cruelty as a felony, with multiple years of prison time. There is legislation being passed all the time about this.

There was a recent incident here. Some douchebags sprayed a possum with charcoal lighter and set it on fire. The worst part was that the possum was looking around like "WTF is going on here???" The fire part ofthe film wasn't shown.They made a video of themselves doing this terrible act and then sent it to some on line "humor" site-which promptly reported them to the local cops.

They were prosecuted and received some jail time. I believe animal abuse will ultimately be made a felony here.

Now, they've got criminal records. Imagine explaining THAT on your next job application. That won't be good.

For an interesting view of the kind of people that get a boot out of ebaums, take a look at their forum. This is proof that the theory of evolution is a damned lie.

http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=78585

I'd rather cop to an honest burglary, for Chrissakes. At least that's entitled to a little respect. Seems like anyone can become a criminal these days-no damn standards.
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 21, 2006 10:46 am

I agree dougloid...what some can do to animals makes me sick
 
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 21, 2006 11:53 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 2):
Many people will treat animals like shit so long as there are no serious legal penalties for doing so. I personally think that harming animals should be a more serious offense than copying a movie or music file, but here in the US you get a slap on the wrist for killing dozens of other people's pets while copying movies and music can get you several years of jail time and hundreds of thousands in fines. Money buys power and animals don't have any money. Thus, they will always be treated like shit and nothing will ever change that.

Unfortunate but true  Sad

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 5):
It sickens me to see that. I am a big time animal lover (dogs) and cannot figure out how someone could do that to a dog. I would love to tie that son of a bitch up to the back of my Tahoe and drag him around town with a smile on my face. Let's see if he likes it. I too believe that penalties should be tougher against cruelty to animals. The dog I have now came from a abused family, I was walking my niece and 2 nephew's over to the park a few years ago when I noticed a guy kicking a dog wearing a pair of Doc Martin boots. I will never forget the sound the dog made yelping in pain. The dog (Megan) was laying on the ground in pain and this asshole is standing over her talking down to her like he was some tough guy. Before he could kick her again, I caught his foot on the backswing of the kick and lifted upwards pulling his foot further towards his back until he fell to the ground face first. I then removed both boots and threw them in the pond, picked up the dog, and took her and the kids back to my house. The funny thing is the guy never made a move towards me. Man enough to beat up a dog, but ball less to fight another man.

Good job  bigthumbsup 

Quoting Pawsleykat (Reply 14):
If I had my way with people like these I would have them stood up against a wall and shot.

I like that idea! Personally, I'd turn an angry rottweiler, pit bull, German Shepherd, or doberman (better yet, all four Big grin ) loose on this loser.

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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Wed Feb 22, 2006 5:16 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
Because the largest animal rights group in the US (PETA) is unapologetic about their links to eco-terrorist and their advocating of violent activities against people they protest.

I've always wondered why they call them terrorists. Have they ever managed to kill or torture anyone during their decades of known existence? Calling them terrorists sounds like a term that's more about ratings than reality.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
Until they change, they will have no mainstream credibility.

That would seem to imply that before 'eco-terrorists' existed there used to be a period of time when animal rights enjoyed mainstream credibility. That's certainly news to me.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 17):
Many, if not most US states treat animal cruelty as a felony, with multiple years of prison time. There is legislation being passed all the time about this.

Actual cases where people receive jail time for animal rights abuses tend to require dozens if not hundreds of infractions over a period of years. First time offenders that didn't have their actions recorded on camera rarely get any jail time or have to pay any serious fines.
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:27 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 21):
I've always wondered why they call them terrorists.

Because of their financial support for ALF, a recognized terrorist organization responsible for fire bombing attacks as well as openly advocating the murder of researchers, and statments by PETA president Ingrid Newkirk urgeing violence against people and property.

Between ALF and ELF, another recognized terrorist group recieving monies from PETA, there have been more than 600 crimes causeing more than $43 million (FBI) in damages.

Quoting SATX (Reply 21):
That would seem to imply that before 'eco-terrorists' existed there used to be a period of time when animal rights enjoyed mainstream credibility. That's certainly news to me.

Only if your reading comprehension is bad.

In order to be saying what you think it says, the sentance would have to be worded thusly: "Until they change, they will not regain mainstream credibility."

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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Wed Feb 22, 2006 8:31 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 21):

I've always wondered why they call them terrorists. Have they ever managed to kill or torture anyone during their decades of known existence?

You don't have to kill anyone to be a terrorist. The ELF has destroyed millions of dollars worth of property and merchandise through acts ranging from torching a housing development in Colorado to burning an entire car dealership lot full of brand-new SUVs. That's a type of terrorism.
The ALF has destroyed research laboratories suspected of using animals for testing, even when no animals or animal cages have been found on site.
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Quoting SATX (Reply 21):
That would seem to imply that before 'eco-terrorists' existed there used to be a period of time when animal rights enjoyed mainstream credibility.

They're called by various names: humane societies, SPCAs, Animal Protective Leagues, and they still exist. Animal rights organizations aren't all as extreme as PeTA.

Quoting SATX (Reply 21):
Actual cases where people receive jail time for animal rights abuses tend to require dozens if not hundreds of infractions over a period of years. First time offenders that didn't have their actions recorded on camera rarely get any jail time or have to pay any serious fines.

Not true. People get caught on film by strangers and humane officers alike. The aftereffects and testimony of witnesses can be just as damning as being caught in the act. If a humane officer finds a pit spattered with blood, dogs that are scarred about the head and torso, stimulant drugs and betting books, it's pretty compelling evidence that the property owner is guilty of dog-fighting, and that person will probably go to jail.

See pages 1-2 of the most recent Pet Patter, published by the Cleveland Animal Protective League:
http://www.clevelandapl.org/PetPatter022006.pdf

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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Wed Feb 22, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting Redngold (Reply 23):
You don't have to kill anyone to be a terrorist.

Don't you at least have to threaten to kill someone or perhaps even attempt it?

Quoting Redngold (Reply 23):
The ELF has destroyed millions of dollars worth of property and merchandise through acts ranging from torching a housing development in Colorado to burning an entire car dealership lot full of brand-new SUVs. That's a type of terrorism.

I thought such acts were still considered arson and vandalism? Certainly those are very serious crimes, but I didn't know they were called terrorism now. Even the guy who crashed his new SUV into a FL dealership and set the place on fire while people were still inside wasn't called a terrorist in the stories I read. The whole thing looks a lot like a double standard to me.

Quoting Redngold (Reply 23):
PeTA supports both groups.

PETA is certainly weird and overbearing, but I've not yet heard they support ELF/ALF?

Quoting Redngold (Reply 23):
Animal rights organizations aren't all as extreme as PeTA.

If you watch domestic news programming, many animal rights folks appear to be portrayed as either delusional nutcases or terrorists. Thus, it doesn't really seem to matter if any given group is less extreme than PETA; they all get lumped in together anyway.

Quoting Redngold (Reply 23):
If a humane officer finds a pit spattered with blood, dogs that are scarred about the head and torso, stimulant drugs and betting books, it's pretty compelling evidence that the property owner is guilty of dog-fighting, and that person will probably go to jail.

You have described a situation that contains far more evidence than most acts of animal cruelty will ever produce. How do I know this? Well, from the time I was a young kid through my teenage years I saw the results of all the reckless harm other kids did while having 'fun' with their pets and other people's pets. Besides dead and maimed animals, there was little if any evidence of who did what or when.

Personally, I would prefer that harm to animals be handled in a similar fashion as harm to children, since in many cases they both have a similar level of ability to protect and defend themselves.
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Thu Feb 23, 2006 5:57 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 24):
Don't you at least have to threaten to kill someone or perhaps even attempt it?

AFL and ELF are guilty on both accounts.
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 25):
AFL and ELF are guilty on both accounts.

Source?
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:19 pm

Perhaps MRockter would like to share his thoughts with us. Apparently dogs and cats shouldn't have rights, and should be allowed by humans to be tortured legally.
 
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 28, 2006 1:57 pm

This will get me flamed big time.......But here goes

I love animals as much as the next person...In fact to me my cats are like my children,,,BUt they are still just animals. They will never have the same rights as humans and nor should they. Killing an annimal is by no streach of anyone imagination the same as killing a human......same goes for abuse. The only thing is those who abuse annimals probabbly will abuse humans as well.

This guy should pay dearly for what he did....But for a society that allows rapists and murderers to walk free he should not pay more because it has a cute nose or likes to pur...

Stinging him up, gutting him ans skinning him.....shooting him....all those are totally ridiclous...

Prison time...yes...

BUt more importanly therapy to make sure that he does not take the abuse a step further and do it to humans....
Hell abuse worse than that occurs against humans every single day and we over look it...In the name of medical science...and because of that a lot of us are alive thanks to that research.

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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:08 pm

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We recovered our female dog Diane from a hunter in France who wanted to shoot her 'caus she didn't hunt well enough.....
There are thousands of dogs contained all year long in dark,cold and obscure garages and backyards in France - just to be released for hunting season.
Hunters can be a very rude breed of people (not all though -I must admit..),who consider dogs just a neccessary item for their favorite sport-killing !
Animal protection is in many counties the responsability of the same ministery that is in charge for animal -factories and breeding camps- the ministry of agriculture. This is ridicoulous and illogic !
Animal protection should be in the hands of the ministry of interior - since the ministry of envirenment usually has no power whatsover to implement laws or changes .
Police in many counties doesn't really care for animal protection -they are more concerned to corner speeding car-drivers,badly parked cars and installing radars ( well that's what brings in money..)
Animals are a part of our culture and envirenment- if we like it or not.
A world without animals would not exist though- since no fruit would grow without bees ,no compost be integrated into humus without bacteriae -and no human beeing would have survived !
To the same degree that we must protect our cultural heritage,we must protect animals rights with vigour and determination.People who torture animals should be treated the same way as if they torture humans.
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RE: Disturbing Animal Abuse Incident

Tue Feb 28, 2006 6:23 pm

Quoting AAFLT1871 (Reply 5):
It sickens me to see that. I am a big time animal lover (dogs) and cannot figure out how someone could do that to a dog. I would love to tie that son of a bitch up to the back of my Tahoe and drag him around town with a smile on my face. Let's see if he likes it. I too believe that penalties should be tougher against cruelty to animals.

Here here... and good job on your rescue AAFLT1871.

Sadly as the world's population (now at 6.5 Billion) jets towards 7 Billion.. I'm afraid the number of assholes on the increase as well. Apparently, tougher Animal Laws are needed and needed NOW! Why other waiting for incidents of this kind to increase, because they surely will!


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