edka
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NBA Trades - Need An Explanation

Thu Mar 02, 2006 7:15 pm

I try to follow NBA as much as i can, which, being in London, basically means Internet and live game once a week on TV (Five or Sky Sports).
Anyway, one thing i have never fully got to grips with was the trade system in the NBA. I understand most things when it comes to trades, but would appreciate if someone can explain certain technicalities:

1) When teams are trying to work out the trade, they put various players together in the package to meet other team's requirements and salary caps. But it seems to me that the players are just like a commodity for the teams and not being consulted with. Can a player veto or decline the move, therefore break the potential trade? (Example: Antonio Davis, traded by Chicago to NY, didn't want to go, then traded by NY to Toronto). So, could Davis refuse to go to NY in the first place? I understand that NY inststed on Davis, otherwise Eddy Curry trade wouldn't happen.

2) Tim Thomas was acquired by the Chicago Bulls as a part of Eddy Curry trade to New York. He had one year $14m contract. So he and Chicago don't get along, and he has now been released by Chicago, with the Bulls paying him almost all of $14m. He looks like going to Phoenix. As a result of this mess, Tim Thomas is much better off (new team where he is wanted, $14m plus a new contract from Phoenix). And the Bulls, well, they have just lost $14m - at least this is what it looks like to me. Isn't it too high price to pay for the expiring contract? Or for Eddy Curry, for that matter??

Appreciate any comments.
Thanks
 
HOMER71
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RE: NBA Trades - Need An Explanation

Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:39 pm

Quoting EDKA (Thread starter):
Can a player veto or decline the move, therefore break the potential trade?

I think some of the star players might have a "no-trade" clause in their contract, therefore they need to be consulted with on any potential trade involving them.

Players are real crybabies sometimes, and teams have no choice but to bite the bullet and release them...
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KROC
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RE: NBA Trades - Need An Explanation

Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:43 pm

1.) Players can be traded on a whim, however, if the player is good enough, he can have a clause in their contract stating the team cannot trade them (Homer71 mentioned it). They can also have in their contract a select list of teams they would accept a trade too. In the NBA however, the players seemingly control the league. If a player is going to get traded and he doesn't want to go, he can throw a fit and usually force something else to happen (see Ron Artest).

2.) As for NBA contracts, like all professional atheletes, they are way over paid. Does Shaq really need to make 30 million a season? For the complete inability to handle a team and payroll, take a look at the NY Knicks. They are a complete debacle.
 
edka
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RE: NBA Trades - Need An Explanation

Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:56 pm

Quoting Homer71 (Reply 1):



Quoting KROC (Reply 2):

thanks guys
 
Mir
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RE: NBA Trades - Need An Explanation

Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:08 am

Quoting EDKA (Thread starter):
Tim Thomas was acquired by the Chicago Bulls as a part of Eddy Curry trade to New York. He had one year $14m contract. So he and Chicago don't get along, and he has now been released by Chicago, with the Bulls paying him almost all of $14m. He looks like going to Phoenix. As a result of this mess, Tim Thomas is much better off (new team where he is wanted, $14m plus a new contract from Phoenix). And the Bulls, well, they have just lost $14m - at least this is what it looks like to me. Isn't it too high price to pay for the expiring contract?

Well, if they couldn't trade him (in other words, they couldn't get anyone to give them enough value in return), and they really wanted him off the team, that's about all they could do. Releasing players is never a good option, but sometimes it's the only one.

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edka
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RE: NBA Trades - Need An Explanation

Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:43 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 4):
Well, if they couldn't trade him (in other words, they couldn't get anyone to give them enough value in return), and they really wanted him off the team, that's about all they could do. Releasing players is never a good option, but sometimes it's the only one.

I understand that, in the way its ironic that Knicks were stuck with him and then Bulls got him, but they didn't want him, so they pay $14m to get rid of him... Now, if Phoenix are interested, how come Bulls couldnt trade him to Phoenix, even if they have offered Suns to pay half of his contact, it would have still worked out cheaper for the Bulls...

This transfer system is fundamentally different to football (i don't mean American football  Wink), for example, where players also have a lot of power these days. If the team does not want a certain player, then trasnfer is arranged, if there are buyers, even if it is for a minimal value. The selling team does not pay anything to the player, however...

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