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Record Heat In Texas

Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:15 pm

Summer has once again struck early in North Texas. Yesterday's high at DFW was 93*F, while it was a cool 90* at DAL. Just up the road from us in Denton it was 95, while a little further up the road in Wichita Falls (SPS), the temperature topped out at 100 degrees on March 1! If it's 100 degrees on March 1, I'm a little frightened thinking about what June, July, and August will be like!

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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:09 pm

Fear not, it was due to high pressure in advance of the front that just is passing throught the state right now. We tied our record for this date in Midland yesterday of 89, and it has been warm for a couple of days now. Today's high should be back to normal for this year, about 21 degrees cooler than yesterday (68).

It's not unusual to have big temp swings this time of year. When the airmass is dry, it's easily modified and it's not unusual to see a 50 degree dinural variation.
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 1):
It's not unusual to have big temp swings this time of year. When the airmass is dry, it's easily modified and it's not unusual to see a 50 degree dinural variation.

I know, it's just unusual for us to be in the mid-90s this early in the year. Second earliest we've been over 90 degrees as far as I can remember; earliest was back about 13 years ago when we hit 95 sometime around February 12!

Still remember going for a swim in Midland years back in mid-March because it was 96.

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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:52 pm

Man, you guys are right!

though, this temperature change certainly makes last year incredibly varied - I remember it being the first weekend of May in 2005, and the daytime temperature in Sherman (60 miles N of Downtown Dallas) being 40F! Of course, four years ago, during September, in College Station, I remember the temp reaching 112, with a wonderful heat index of 122! What on earth is going on here?

Quoting Texan (Thread starter):
I'm a little frightened thinking about what June, July, and August will be like!

I share your concerns for the summer. I work outside washing cars, and did so during this last summer, where the temp never really topped 100. I think I might need to find a new job so I'm not screwing around in 110 weather!

But, these weather changes are just part of the fun of living in Texas.
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:54 pm

Here are some records for early March in DFW:

March 3, 1902- 94
March 5, 1991- 96
March 8, 1911- 94
March 9, 1911- 100
March 10, 1911- 99
March 11, 1955- 93
March 12, 1955- 91
March 13, 1933- 92
March 14, 1989- 92

So it's not entirely unheard of, but you're right in that looking back at the last 5 years or so there haven't been many 90's or above in early March.

This is also an interesting observation from a "global warming" perspective too, since most of these records were from 50+ years ago.

Source: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/fwd/CLIMO/dfw/normals/dfw03nrm.html
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:03 am

Yeah, it almost reached 90 degrees here in Oklahoma City yesterday, and it snowed last week with temperatures in the teens. Today is a little cooler though. Sad Was looking forward to another warm and sunny day.

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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:20 am

Blech... heat. You can definitely keep it! We've got snow and I for one want it! Big grin The road got a bit slippery this morning at 5:45 though, but nothing you couldn't manage.
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:39 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 6):
Blech... heat. You can definitely keep it!

With pleasure! Anything below 70 is cold around here anymore  Wink Don't know what we'd do if it snowed again!

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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:15 am

Quoting Texan (Reply 7):
Anything below 70 is cold

 rotfl  Get back to me at -10°C/14°F, that's where "cold" begins!
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:22 am

The thing I'm concerned about the most is drought and wildfires. If we get rain earlier and later, as opposed to getting it during the summer, it could be very bad both for agriculture and wildfires.
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:31 am

And here in New York it's snowing today. (3-4 inches on the ground so far)
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:33 am

Wow! I hope it's not this hot when I get into town on the 11th. I saw how dry OK and TX was in January when I drove through. Give me 72 and sunny!  biggrin 
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:48 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 8):
Get back to me at -10°C/14°F, that's where "cold" begins!

Are you crazy?!? We had one day in December when the temp dropped to 16*F, and that caused half the city of Dallas to stay home from work  Silly

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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 5:51 am

Looks like we gave spring a miss again this year in Texas and went straight to summer.

Looks like another 1980/98/2000 type summer comeing.

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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:01 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 13):
Looks like another 1980/98/2000 type summer comeing.

Arrrgh! I remember '94, it got up to 116 here at MAF and 122 just west of here in Monahans, TX.
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:21 am

Its hot as hell in San Antonio today. I can't imagine what another month will bring in high's.  flamed 
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:24 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 15):
Its hot as hell in San Antonio today. I can't imagine what another month will bring in high's.

The riverwalk is giong to dry up leaving you with stinky mud again.

Glad we don't have anything like that in Dallas... oh... damn.. Trinity River sewage park.
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
Glad we don't have anything like that in Dallas... oh... damn.. Trinity River sewage park.

Yeah, the Trinity smells bad enough when its full. I'd hate to see it when it dries up.

Still, I'd take Dallas anyday over San Antonio.
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 7:29 am

1627 in Houston and all is well. Can't wait for hot weather, it's what we moved here for.
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:17 am

okay first off, AMA normally is around 32F this time of year, today we got up to 84. Next, earlier this winter we got down to -4 F . what the hell is up with the weather this year?!?!
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:39 am

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 19):
okay first off, AMA normally is around 32F this time of year, today we got up to 84. Next, earlier this winter we got down to -4 F . what the hell is up with the weather this year?!?!

Normal maximum temp for March 2 in AMA is 59.

Source: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ama/climate/records_normals/norm_max.htm

You tied the record high of 84 for March 2 set in 1904. The maximum temperature ever recorded in the month of March in AMA was 96 on March 19 and 20th, 1907.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ama/climate/records_normals/recmar.htm

The -4 earlier this year is impressive, but still far from the record low of -16 set on February 12, 1899.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ama/climate/rec_norm_ama.htm

Sorry, but overall it looks like nothing "the hell is up" with the weather this year in AMA. It's March and as you know the temperatures are quite variable this time of year on the High Plains when you get strong high pressure and compression in advance of the cold fronts that are still strong in March.
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:42 am

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 20):
Normal maximum temp for March 2 in AMA is 59.

Where the hell do you live again?  crazy 

When you factor in the wind chill, Amarillo is damn near 32 this time of year. How do I know? I used to live there.
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:43 am

Another reason why the state of Texas SUCKS. Give it back to Mexico.
 
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:44 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 22):
Another reason why the state of Texas SUCKS. Give it back to Mexico.

They can have Austin back. Maybe Laredo too.
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:48 am

Quoting Garri767 (Reply 19):
today we got up to 84.

Actually, looking a little closer, I thought the 84 for the high today was a little warm since we only had 74 in MAF. Your high today in AMA was 58, so today was almost exactly average. BTW, yesterday's (March 1) high was 82 in AMA and February 28 was 83, so those were above-normal.

Source: http://www.srh.noaa.gov/data/obhistory/KAMA.html
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:56 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 21):
Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 20):
Normal maximum temp for March 2 in AMA is 59.

Where the hell do you live again?

When you factor in the wind chill, Amarillo is damn near 32 this time of year. How do I know? I used to live there.

I live in (surprise!) MAF. You can't factor in the wind chill with an average high temp of 59 because wind chill is only recorded at temperatures below 50. Even considering a temperature of 49 and a wind speed of 109mph (ridiculous), the wind chill is only 35.

"Note: Windchill Temperature is only defined for temperatures at or below 50 degrees F and wind speeds above 3 mph. Bright sunshine may increase the windchill temperature by 10 to 18 degrees F."

Source: http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/windchill/index.shtml
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 25):
You can't factor in the wind chill with an average high temp of 59 because wind chill is only recorded at temperatures below 50.

Thanks, smart ass. Now tell me your TAS at Mach 1.23 with that temp.  crazy 

I think you missed the point of what she was saying. It feels damn near 32, not that it was a boldfaced statement of fact.

You need to get out more.  yes 
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:06 am

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 22):
Another reason why the state of Texas SUCKS. Give it back to Mexico.

By no means is anyone forcing you to stay in Texas Wink A lot of Texas is nice, with Austin and Dallas topping the list for me in terms of cities. It warms up nice in the summer and cools down nice in the winter.

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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:11 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 26):
I think you missed the point of what she was saying. It feels damn near 32, not that it was a boldfaced statement of fact.

Yeah, I know.  Wink I'm a weather geek though, so I really like to keep up with that kind of stuff.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 26):
Thanks, smart ass. Now tell me your TAS at Mach 1.23 with that temp

Assuming 59F and AMA's elevation of 3607ft., Mach 1.23 would be a TAS of 718 knots.

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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:24 am

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 28):
Assuming 59F and AMA's elevation of 3607ft., Mach 1.23 would be a TAS of 718 knots.

But since it took you so long to work up the calculation, the temp changed to -35 F and you now have winds at 170/48 along a TC of 235. What's your new TAS, GS, and TH.  Big grin
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:28 am

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 29):
But since it took you so long to work up the calculation, the temp changed to -35 F and you now have winds at 170/48 along a TC of 235. What's your new TAS, GS, and TH.

We already landed, dude! Where were you?
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:32 am

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 30):
We already landed, dude! Where were you?

Chasing after Kelly McGillis.  Big grin
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:11 am

Quoting Hole_courtney (Reply 3):
But, these weather changes are just part of the fun of living in Texas.

Texans never change, so the weather has to take up the slack.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 23):
They can have Austin back.

Many people in San Antonio seem to think Austin is rather nice, if for no other reason than to party the weekend away. The few people I know who truly hate Austin haven't bothered to explore it. They just associated it with liberals and jumped on the hate wagon without giving it a second thought.

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 28):
I'm a weather geek though, so I really like to keep up with that kind of stuff.

A 'weather geek' who disputes the premise of global warming?
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:45 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 32):
A 'weather geek' who disputes the premise of global warming?

I never said I dispute global warming. I said I dispute that it is caused by man. If you'd have read my Reply#7 in the thread you quoted, you would have seen that. Consensus Grows On Climate Change (by SATX Mar 1 2006 in Non Aviation)#7

It's also quite easy to see in the data I have pasted into this very thread that temperatures very early in the 20th century were as warm or warmer than they are now. See Reply #4 for a good example. Of the 9 data points I placed, only 2 of them have occured in the last 50 years, with the warmest one being almost 100 years ago.

Don't get caught up in all the hype and rely on sources that are spoon-fed to you from the media. Go out and look at the data for yourself and you can see that the whole subject is far overblown. Go read this as a good start: http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/nowarm.htm

Then go to the website for your local NWS/NOAA office and check the climatology for as far back as records have been kept. It's very popular to say that "The earth is burning up at at an alarming rate", but those who are independent thinkers can easily see through most of what is hype.

Ever heard the phrase "everybody talks about the weather but nobody does anything about it"? It's a very old phrase and people have been complaining about the weather since time began. But weather has natural variations and occasional extremes, that's how records are set. Look at the data over time and you'll see that natural oscillations have always occured and will continue. People will continue to call the weather "extreme", but those of us who are familiar with how to look at the data will know that it's the media trying to sell more advertising (it's a business, right?)
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:06 am

Quoting SATX (Reply 32):
The few people I know who truly hate Austin haven't bothered to explore it. They just associated it with liberals and jumped on the hate wagon without giving it a second thought.

Funny........I spent most of my college days there and still don't like it. And yes, I do associate it with liberals, as does most of Texas.  yes 
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:12 am

I have driven through AMA in December and January for the last 5 years and have seen it all as far as wx. One January night in 2004 the temp dropped way below freezing! My car almost froze and made the a dickens of a sound when I started it!  cold 
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RE: Record Heat In Texas

Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:19 am

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 33):
Don't get caught up in all the hype and rely on sources that are spoon-fed to you from the media.

The media? Certainly you must be referring to the foreign media? Outside of the New York Times and NPR, I rarely hear much about global warming from the domestic media. As for Texas media, I've yet to see any of them take pollution very seriously, no matter what the context.

As for me personally, the only thing I get 'caught up' in is the premise that we should error on the side of caution. If there is something we can do to possibly help slow or prevent the eventual rise in temperatures, why not at least try to do it? Why just take whatever comes our way and refuse to do anything until we're already getting our ass handed to us on a plate? It's just too similar to the proverbial ostrich with its head in the sand. I don't understand it and I don't see any benefit to acting that way. Well, except we can be lazier and richer instead of cleaner and more self-sufficient.

Quoting StuckinMAF (Reply 33):
Ever heard the phrase "everybody talks about the weather but nobody does anything about it"? It's a very old phrase and people have been complaining about the weather since time began.

Environmentalists are certainly trying to do something about it. If that's all it took, we'd be on easy street. It's just too bad we all have to do our part.

The US is now funding cloud seeding programs to see if they could be used to lesson the impact of hurricanes. We're willing to spend time and money fooling around with cloud seeding, but not to help lesson our burden on the environment in the first place? What is that all about?
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