tbar220
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Buying Record Players

Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:00 pm

Hi everybody, I've been interested in record players, LP's, and EP's. Now I just listen to CD's but I like the idea of getting a record player and starting to purchase records.

What should I look for when I buy one? I want to stay simple and cheap, but still get good sound out of it. Is it possible to get good quality from a used record player? My main problem now is I don't have much money to invest in this right now.

Any suggestions would be great, thank you!
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RE: Buying Record Players

Fri Mar 03, 2006 2:02 pm

Lets get ready for MattD's and Superfly's crap input about how record players are the best thing out there.
 
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RE: Buying Record Players

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:49 pm

Tbar22:
Glad to see you growing up.  Smile
ArmitageShanks hasn't.
His comment's were totally unecessary.

I would suggest buying a used direct-drive Technics turntable. They are bulletproof and are almost always well under $100. MAKE SURE IT HAS THE HEADSHELL that screw on to the tonearm!!!!
You may pay just as much for a phono cartridge though. You MUST buy those new. My suggestion is that you go to a high-end audiophile shop and buy there bottom line cartridge which can go as low as $45.
It's better than the junk at Circut City or Good Guys.

Also, you are going to need a decent reciever and speakers to plug your turntable in to.
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RE: Buying Record Players

Fri Mar 03, 2006 4:57 pm

Fly,

I can't afford much right now, I've been thinking of bidding on an item such as the following:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

How's that look to you? Not making a big investment in this yet, just would like to delve into it.
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Fri Mar 03, 2006 6:10 pm

Tbar220:
That turntable is junk!
It's belt-driven and unless you are willing to pay $600+ for a high-end belt driven turntable, I'd stick with direct-drive.

Look for a Technics 1300 turntable.
Not to be confused with the 1200 which is all manual and what DJs use.
The 1300 is the same chasis as the 1200 but is fully-automatic.

Ask your sister for teh extra cash. She owes you anyway.
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RE: Buying Record Players

Fri Mar 03, 2006 9:13 pm

Quoting ArmitageShanks (Reply 1):
Lets get ready for MattD's and Superfly's crap input about how record players are the best thing out there.

Sorry, but the only crap supplied so far came from your very own post. Have a nice day.


It's been quite a while since I stopped looking into it, but as far as I remember you'd need a special pre-amplifier for a turntable pickup, with its de-emphasis matched to the pickup you're using (moving magnet and moving coil needed different ones);

Did the later turntables have integrated pre-amps? And for which pickups? The newer amplifiers / receivers usually appear to don't have integrated ones any more nowadays...

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RE: Buying Record Players

Fri Mar 03, 2006 10:57 pm

I picked up a used dual 503-1 for for £5 ( about $8) on ebay and a new Audio Technica AT-3600L cart (audiophiles please don't laugh) for about $10, certainly not the best setup but pretty damn good for around $20.

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RE: Buying Record Players

Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:20 pm

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
It's been quite a while since I stopped looking into it, but as far as I remember you'd need a special pre-amplifier for a turntable pickup, with its de-emphasis matched to the pickup you're using (moving magnet and moving coil needed different ones);

Wouldn't an integrated amp with "phono" inputs suffice? I use a Dual 502 with an Audio Technica cartridge through a Pioneer amp. Still have to play the vinyls occasionally as some great stuff from the 70's and early 80's has not gone across to CD (yet).
 
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RE: Buying Record Players

Fri Mar 03, 2006 11:34 pm

Yes, the "phono" input means the set has exactly such a pre-amplifier stage built in. As far as I know, that one is usually matched to moving magnet cartridges, which were the most popular ones.

If I remember correctly, moving coil cartridges were supposed to have better treble response (due to lower moving mass) and a somewhat higher signal quality, but they also produce a lower signal and require a different frequency range correction (de-emphasis). Unless the built-in pre-amp can be switched between the two types, you'd probably need a separate pe-amplifier for this kind of pickup.

In any case, the direct cartridge output is not suitable for a high-level line in input.
 
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Sat Mar 04, 2006 6:01 am

Tbar220:
That looks like a good find. I just hope the final bid doesn't go over $100.
Get rid of that Stanton cartridge if you do win that bid. They sound very treblly (not sure if that's a word) and poor low-end response.
A lower priced Sumiko or Grado should sufice.

What kind of reciever do you have?
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RE: Buying Record Players

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:45 pm

Tbar220:
It's at $15.50 with two days left. Will you bid at the last minute or use a bidding software? If I were you, I'd snag it. They are durable, last forever and ideal for a college student that often moves around. It's an 18-wheeler Peterbuild truck of turntables.  Cool
Best of all, parts are easy to get when needed and are interchangable with other Technics & Panasonic turntables.

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
Did the later turntables have integrated pre-amps?

Nope.  no 
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RE: Buying Record Players

Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:53 pm

I recently bought a Denon from "One Call" on line. They have the best prices, EXCELLENT service and super fast shipping. I received follow up emails and a phone call to assure everything was OK. They have a very good selection too. Retail stores are close to useless when it comes to phonographs.

www.onecall.com or tele. 1-800-340-4770.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:02 pm

Kevinl1011:
Which Denon did you buy?
I am currently listening to Quincy Jones 'Sounds' (1978) on my Denon DP-47 which was made in 1987 and still works like new. The DenonDP-47 is still in production today, The only difference is that the newer models have chrome & cherrywood instead of black & cherrywood like mines.
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Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:21 pm

It's a 500M. My vinyl albums are precious to me so I went all out. I was a little disappointed that it didn't have "queing" for the tonearm. It has both pre-amp and RCA line outputs. The platter is cast aluminum but the cabinet was veneer, unlike the maplewood on your sweet DP-47.
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RE: Buying Record Players

Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:36 pm

HOLY $h!t!
Here is my turntable on eBay with the same Blue Point cartridge that I am useing going for $244.00!  Wow!
It has 6 hours left and I am wandering what the final bid will be.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=5873648157&fromMakeTrack=true

I should have clarified that mines is the DP-47F model just like the one in the photo.
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RE: Buying Record Players

Tue Mar 07, 2006 7:59 pm

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
Hi everybody, I've been interested in record players, LP's, and EP's. Now I just listen to CD's but I like the idea of getting a record player and starting to purchase records.

How very odd! It wasn't but this Saturday that I decided to buy some LP's, and I'm thinking about buying a new turntable. What a coincidence!

Since then, I've checked http://www.circuitcity.com and found that they have a very reasonably priced unit under $100.00, made by Audio-Technica.
What's fair is fair.

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