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Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:01 pm

Now that we have those Best president threads ever! Who do you think is the worst dictator in the World History. Here are my votes
HITLER


STALIN



PINOCHET


FRANCO


MUSSOLINI


MUGABE(note his Hitler mustache)
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:11 pm

This one belongs in that row too

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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:12 pm

Stalin, without a doubt.

Mao as well.

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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:17 pm

Mohammad Reza Pahlavi



Augusto Pinochet



Francisco Franco

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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:27 pm

Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Kim 1 & 2
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 5:41 pm

My list includes the following:
  • Adolf Hitler (definitely the number 1 in my list of worst dictators)
  • Josef Vissarionovich Zhugashvilli, aka Josef Stalin
  • Benito Mussolini
  • Mao Zedong
  • Erich Honecker
  • Nicolae Ceaucescu
  • Slobodan Milosevic (not technically a dictator but still worth mentioning)
  • Saddam Hussein
  • Augusto Pinochet
  • Fidel Castro
  • Francisco Franco
  • Jorge Rafael Videla
  • Kim Il-Sung and his son Kim Jong-Il
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:24 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
Adolf Hitler (definitely the number 1 in my list of worst dictators)

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Out of all of them he definately gets my vote.
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:37 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
My list includes the following:

* Adolf Hitler (definitely the number 1 in my list of worst dictators)
* Josef Vissarionovich Zhugashvilli, aka Josef Stalin
* Benito Mussolini
* Mao Zedong
* Erich Honecker
* Nicolae Ceaucescu
* Slobodan Milosevic (not technically a dictator but still worth mentioning)
* Saddam Hussein
* Augusto Pinochet
* Fidel Castro
* Francisco Franco
* Jorge Rafael Videla
* Kim Il-Sung and his son Kim Jong-Il


no place for Pol Pot in your top 10?
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:50 pm

Quoting BR076 (Reply 7):
no place for Pol Pot in your top 10?

I hardly even know of Pol Pot. In fact, I didn't even remember him until you brought him up. But I just got up to speed on the guy and I agree, he's also worth mentioning in my list. It was never meant as a top 10 list or something similar anyway, just a list of brutal dictators I remember, all in no particular order except for Hitler, who was the worst of them all.
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:51 pm

Quoting BR076 (Reply 7):

no place for Pol Pot in your top 10?

Oh I definitely agree with Saloth Sar being one of the worst ever....what a genocide he committed !
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 7:28 pm

Stalin
Hitler
Mao
Pol Pot

in no particular order

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
Erich Honecker

If you include Erich Honecker, you should also incluede his worse predecessor - Walter Ulbricht, who has certainly to answer for more cruelty and dead.

BTW Didn't we have this topic before?

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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:39 pm

Quoting Pelican (Reply 10):
Stalin
Hitler
Mao

Yup
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Sun Mar 12, 2006 9:00 pm

Hitler (not only the worst dictator, also the most evil person who ever lived).

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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:47 am

The thread says worst dictator in World History -- but all the nominees are from the 20th century. No room for Ghengis Khan? Attilla? Any number of European monarchs? Tsar Nicholas? Hannibal? Nero? No popes on the list?
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:58 am

President Kim Jong II (North Korea)-responsible for as many as 150,000 prisoners doing forced labour.Hu Jintao (The President and the Gen. Secy of the Communist Party of China)- responsible for the gagging of all media and using 30,000 "Internet security agents" to monitor online use.President Robert Mugabe (Zimbabwe)- responsible for the killing, torture and displacement of more than 70,000 people.Prince Abdullah (Crown Prince Saudi Arabia)- responsible for the "slavery-like conditions" for the 8.8 million foreign workers in the Kingdom, with Saudi women being treated as second-class citizens.Omar Al-Bashir (Sudan)- responsible for the 20-year civil war that that has claimed two million lives and rendered four million homeless. He also routinely bombs civilians, tortures and massacres the non-Muslims.Saparmurat Niyazov (Turkmenistan)- eccentric in his behaviour with instances such as forcing all government workers to memorize passages of Niyazov's book to keep their jobs. His latest antic has been to crack down on religious and ethnic minorities.
President Fidel Castro (Cuba)- arrested 75 human-rights activists, journalists and academics, sentencing them to 19 years' jail on average.King Mswati III (Swaziland)- leads a lavish life with a fleet of BMWs, a host of palaces and frequent foreign trips, in contrast to the plight of Swaziland's 300,000 drought-stricken farmers.

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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:07 am

Well most dictators are pretty despicable, it's hard to to identify the worst one. I think it all boils down to how close to home each one was to you.

That said I think one of the better dictators was Banda in Malawi.

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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:25 am

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 14):
President Fidel Castro (Cuba)- arrested 75 human-rights activists, journalists and academics, sentencing them to 19 years' jail on average.

I'm no fan of Castro, but this hardly compares with the genocidal mass murderers in history who have literally millions of deaths on their hands. I'm sure Castro has offed lots of people in his long tenure, but he wouldn't make the top 20 list using that as a criterion.
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:13 am

What about Bushitler?
I'm sure he's up there!!

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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:39 am

If we go by number of dead, the top three would be

1. Mao Zedong

2. Josef Stalin

3. Adolf Hitler
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:48 am

Idi Amin for the size of Uganda. He ate some of the dead.
Lenin for preaching that change had to be preceded by violence.
Most leaders, in all of history, who practiced human sacrifice for whatever reason.
Any leader, of any historical group, who practiced ethnic or territorial cleansing.
Any preacher of any faith at any historical time who preached that his or her devotees were chosen above another human because of birth-right or conversion.
The hidden money lenders or "legitimate" business leaders who financed monarchy, theocracy or any other superior race/nationality/spiritual war,police action or any other arms related profit motive action.
The masses who do nothing when their leaders practice armed conflict because they now can BIG and SUPERIOR. (Here one must consider that these kind are cultural small persons)
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:50 am

Quoting DublinLiam (Reply 19):
Idi Amin for the size of Uganda. He ate some of the dead.


How could I forget that Son of a B**H
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:59 am

I'm surprised that nobody has said Bush or Sharon yet.
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting DublinLiam (Reply 19):
Idi Amin for the size of Uganda. He ate some of the dead.

He what? If what you say is true that's really gross. Add to that his dictatorial abilities and he's one sick mofo.

Adolf "Small Penis" Hitler still takes the cake.

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 17):
What about Bushitler?
I'm sure he's up there!!

If you're serious then you're an absolute idiot. Go put your tin foil hat back on and dream for a Hildabest presidency.
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:48 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 10):
If you include Erich Honecker, you should also incluede his worse predecessor - Walter Ulbricht, who has certainly to answer for more cruelty and dead.

Good point. I actually thought of putting him in the list but then again, I opted for Honecker only.
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:27 am

There are dictators and then there are monsters. Too bad Hitler was not just a dictator.
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:36 am

All of these "Worst Dictator" threads, and no one ever mentions Johan  Wink

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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 8:09 am

1) Hitler
2) Robert Mugabe
3) Kim-Sun

Quoting BR076 (Reply 1):
Reply 1, posted Sun Mar 12 2006 09:11:32 UTC+1 and read 266 times:

Who is that ?

Quoting DublinLiam (Reply 19):
Idi Amin for the size of Uganda. He ate some of the dead.

HE DID WHAT  Wow!

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 22):
Quoting Texdravid (Reply 17):
What about Bushitler?
I'm sure he's up there!!

If you're serious then you're an absolute idiot. Go put your tin foil hat back on and dream for a Hildabest presidency.

 checkmark , you also forgot to put :
putting flowers in peoples hair, painting rainbows, growing long hair,wearing hipi cloths, siting in the road in front of riot police and the military, saying 'peace man' all day and siting in a circle 'feeling the force from above'  Wink.

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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 9:36 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 16):
I'm no fan of Castro, but this hardly compares with the genocidal mass murderers in history who have literally millions of deaths on their hands. I'm sure Castro has offed lots of people in his long tenure, but he wouldn't make the top 20 list using that as a criterion.

You're entitle to mention your list of dictators, so I am.
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:57 pm

Adolf Hitler.

Being a Jew, a German citizen and, most important, an inhabitant of this planet, let me just say that this guy was the closest encounter the humanity ever had with the Devil himself.

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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:00 pm

Hello all

Sorry, but my wife would be the Worst Dictator of all Times.

Cheers

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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:07 pm

A few that have failed to make any lists so far:

Mobutu Sese Seko


Haji Mohammad Suharto
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:30 pm

hilter number 1 as always
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:24 pm

Hitler #1 for causing the most numbers of dead, since he is probably very reponsible for WWII.

Mao and Stalin tied for #2 for they killed their own people.

Idi Amin gave monsters a bad name.

Mobutu gave thieves a bad name.

Pinochet and Castro did not cause much deaths at all compared to others.

So are we in agreement as to classify a dictator, shall we go by number of deaths caused?
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:34 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 22):
If you're serious then you're an absolute idiot. Go put your tin foil hat back on and dream for a Hildabest presidency.

Um, did you bother to look and see that it was a signed by post?

Quoting Swatpamike (Reply 29):
Sorry, but my wife would be the Worst Dictator of all Times.

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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:15 pm

Quoting Wrighbrothers (Reply 26):
Who is that ?

Pol Pot

I see he's a nice red cros in a white box now  Smile
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:18 am

With all due respect, I think that Stalin was the worst dictator of all time, even more so than Hitler. Yes, Hitler murdered millions of people, mostly of other ethnicities, but Stalin butchered his own people by the millions without any regard to who they are and where they came from. They were both extremely evil.
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:54 am

Definitely not a dictator, but maybe worst than many mentioned here: Dr. Mengele. One of the most tortuous mind in the past century.
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:57 am

George Bush, for the following reason-

1. the first to use religion as a means of swaying his base
2. has killed more Arabs unnecessarily in Iraq with no end in sight
3. first dictator in a truly democratic state
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:01 am

I would add Hitlers right hand, Joseph Goebbels, to the list. He was extremely intelligent and used his brain to set the world on fire.

Other than that, I would say Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot and most of the people you have mentioned fit into the list.

Since the historical sources are not that precise, I cannot compare them, but I would guess Nero and some of the other roman emperors were bad, as well, while others were great statesmen.
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:04 am

Quoting Soylentgreen (Reply 37):
George Bush, for the following reason-

1. the first to use religion as a means of swaying his base
2. has killed more Arabs unnecessarily in Iraq with no end in sight
3. first dictator in a truly democratic state

wow i really hope you are kidding he wouldnt even come close to what hitler did.
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:27 am

I think that nobody mentioned before [sorry if I'm wrong] Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos.
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:04 am

Quoting Soylentgreen (Reply 37):
2. has killed more Arabs unnecessarily in Iraq with no end in sight


So are you saying that the Arabs who have killed other Arabs killed them because they had to? If you read the news, there are a lot of suicide bombings against Iraqis, and I may not follow your logic correctly, but are you saying that these suicide bombings are necessary?
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting Andessmf (Reply 41):

Estimates are that 50,000 collateral casualties have occurred as a result of dropped US bombs. That figure does not include Arab on Arab attacks or suicide bombings. Imagine calling the death of 50,000 Arabs, thusfar mind you, collateral damage?
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:15 am

Not a SINGLE person mentioned Saddam Hussein???
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:01 am

Quoting Soylentgreen (Reply 42):



Quoting KWI (Reply 43):

Estimates are one thing, there are such things as propaganda plus the fact that insurgents do not wear uniform, making it impossible to figure out who you killed. From a cursory search, there have been many media exaggerations regarding this whole episode, and perhaps history will later clarify what actually occurred, so I leave it at that.

But ask our friend KWI, originally 100,000 soldiers were believed to have been killed during the first Gulf War, and the latest figure is what...?

Now, as to your other claims, soylentgreen, is like, what?? Hugo Chavez was elected prior to Bush? Is he a dictator. What about Putin? Milosevic? Shoot, any president in Iran! Your claims are laughable, and frankly if that is what you believe, go right ahead.

But the perspective was number of people killed, and overall 50,000 is a drop in the bucket compared to what others have done. I mean, even in Rwanda, the biggest failure in the history of the UN, 800,000 people were massacred.
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:08 am

His Excellency Idi Amin Dada Oumee AKA 'Butcher of Africa', AKA 'Conqueror of the British Empire', AKA 'Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Sea'.

Bad news
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:46 am

Quoting Andessmf (Reply 44):

Yes there is propaganda, so when the US government says 50,000 in collateral damage, assume 150,000. I assure you 50,000 is on the low side. I use Bush for this thread since I am familiar with him; no doubt, others are worthy.
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:17 am

Quoting Soylentgreen (Reply 46):
I assure you 50,000 is on the low side

For any reassurances, give me your references. If none are provided, I will assume 50000 are on the high side.

But for Gods sake, Bush the worst dictator ever! Read the above posts and think about it again. If you still think the same, you need to get laid...
 
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:25 am

Quoting Soylentgreen (Reply 37):
George Bush, for the following reason-

1. the first to use religion as a means of swaying his base
2. has killed more Arabs unnecessarily in Iraq with no end in sight
3. first dictator in a truly democratic state

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Quoting KWI (Reply 43):
Not a SINGLE person mentioned Saddam Hussein???



Quoting LTU932 (Reply 5):
Saddam Hussein



Quoting NWADC9:
Saddam Hussein

Hitler
Hussein
Castro
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RE: Worst Dictator Of All Times?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:39 am

Quoting Andessmf (Reply 47):

A lovely comment indeed. Quite droll.

Pentagon issued statement on 50,000 dead after pressed by NY Times and AP for numbers. Do you think Pentagon would highball it after resisting the release of the report? If so, you need to go hunting with Cheney.

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