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Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:06 pm

Guys one of our local movie stores is shutting down and I picked up some DVD's that where 40% off-Mostly B movies and some older war flicks.

Anyway I was watching one of them, "Death Hunt" with Lee Marvin and Charles Bronson and it suddenly struck me that in this day and age we have a lack of actors and roles that are truely tough guys. We settle for these "metro-sexual" pussies such as Tom Cruise, Nicholas Cage, Mel Gibson, Brad Pitt and George Clooney.

Where are the Sterling Haydens? the John Waynes, Lee Marvins, Charles Bronson's and where are the good roles where men are shown to be the tough bastards we truely are. Even the roles that are written tend to get buried under some family side story.

Just think of the list, there are only really three actors that I can think of today that can pull this type of role off...... Clint Eastwood who is semi-retired from acting, Sam Elliot although he has had his share of sissied up western roles, and probably the most pure "Tough Guy" out there R Lee Armee.

Since so much of society learns it's values form the cinama, what these current pretty boy actors are teaching our kids about being a man is very disturbing.
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RE: Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:07 pm

Well, the "tough guys" are falling one by one. Now we hear that Marlon Brando was having it off with Burt Lancaster, as well as half of the rest of the Hollywood male stars of that era.

Who's the next "tough guy" to fall?
 
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RE: Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:37 pm

Yeah, pretty fucking sad when the likes of The Rock, Vin Diesel, and Bruce Willis are considered our current 'tough guys' on the big screen. I watched "The Dirty Dozen" the other night. Now there were some bonfide tough guys.
 
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RE: Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:54 pm

I've noticed the same thing.

Al Pacino and Robert De Niro are still going though -- hopefully they'll continue filming for a few more years. Al Pacino's relatively recent role as an LAPD Detective in Insomnia was excellent, and still had the tough guy in him.




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RE: Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:55 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 2):
Bruce Willis are considered our current 'tough guys' on the big screen

Bruce Willis is no tough guy in real life - did he not refuse to fly to Europe shortly after 9/11, fearing for his safety?

What about Russell Crowe? He comes across as a tough guy bot on screen and in real life.

As for Tom Cruise - he probably blow dries his hair before any action and then applies make-up, checking that his operated-on nose and false teeth are still picture perfect!
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RE: Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:59 pm

Quoting BCAL (Reply 4):
He comes across as a tough guy both on screen and in real life.

Well he is an Antipodian, and they're made that way down here.....
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RE: Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:22 pm

Well I thought Gyllenhaal en Ledger seemed tough in Brokeback Mountain.
 
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RE: Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:30 pm

Quoting BCAL (Reply 4):
Bruce Willis is no tough guy in real life - did he not refuse to fly to Europe shortly after 9/11, fearing for his safety?

Yes he did and that was due more to his ego than being a pussy. If I remember correctly, he said something like he feared for his safety because terrorists might begin to target actors who play bad asses (or words to that effect, anyway).

Quoting BCAL (Reply 4):

What about Russell Crowe? He comes across as a tough guy bot on screen and in real life.

I've only seen him in 3 films. "LA Confidential" in which he played a badge heavy cop who liked to bruatlize people. "A Beautiful Mind" in which he played a (mentally) sick brainiac, and "A Cinderella Man" in which he portrayed the true to life James Braddock who was a pretty mild mannered person. I guess he could be seen as a tough guy off the screen. After all, he did throw a telephone at a hotel clerk.

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 3):
Al Pacino and Robert De Niro are still going though -- hopefully they'll continue filming for a few more years.

I don't see them as tough guys, just very powerful actors who have been around forever and who have gained the respect from their peers and fans as being moguls in their field (same with Nicholson). Never was a Pacino fan (other than when he starred in A Dog Day Afternoon). I always thought he overplayed his roles. Deniro on the other hand, is just a fucking genius.
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RE: Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:43 pm

The stereotype of the 'tough guy' had died off, but there are still many in real life. Soldiers in a war zone, firefighters, urban police officers, all are 'tough guys'. In movies, we want to see more complex characters, with a more understanding personality, not one that shoots first and asks questions later.
 
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RE: Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting L-188 (Thread starter):
Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

...running the state of California.  Wink

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 3):
Al Pacino and Robert De Niro are still going though

Both amazing actors.
 
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RE: Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:22 am

Quoting L-188 (Thread starter):
Where are the Sterling Haydens? the John Waynes, Lee Marvins, Charles Bronson's and where are the good roles where men are shown to be the tough bastards we truely are. Even the roles that are written tend to get buried under some family side story.

See Brokeback Mountain.

Those guys were pretty darn tough. Certainly tougher than anything Lee Marvin ever showed in a Saturday afternoon western on TV. Certainly tougher than the "tough bastard" you claim to be.

And unlike those B-grade Westerns where they showed a pretty picture of what tough guys do (talk in aphorisms and shoot from a horse in front of a moving screen), this flick showed the brutal realities of being a cowboy.
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RE: Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 2:31 am

Yep. Movies like Commando with AS are not done anymore. A shame that is.
Cause unrealistic cheapish Action movies are just fantastic.

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PS: Instead we are watching shit like Brokeback Boobs and Queer as folk...
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RE: Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 12:50 pm

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 3):
Robert De Niro are still going though

Yeah but he started doing those comedies such as Showtime and the Anaylize movies with Billy Crystal...I think his stock went down a bit over that....

Then again Lee Marvin did do "Paint Your Wagon"

Quoting BCAL (Reply 4):
What about Russell Crowe?

Well he might count, but I don't see George Kennedy or Earnest Borgnine playing "A beutyful mind either"

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 7):
Quoting BCAL (Reply 4):
Bruce Willis is no tough guy in real life - did he not refuse to fly to Europe shortly after 9/11, fearing for his safety?

Yes he did and that was due more to his ego than being a pussy. If I remember correctly, he said something like he feared for his safety because terrorists might begin to target actors who play bad asses (or words to that effect, anyway).

Well I am going to have to stick up for Bruce a bit. Remember it wasn't that long before 9/11 when Bruce played in a movie called "The Seige" which was brought back into the news after the attacks because of the subject of the film...mainly the US response to a terrorist attack. Bruce played the villian general. After that movie was released there where several anti-us demonstrations and a couple of "Planet Hollywood" which Willis owned a piece of where bombed. So he did have a bit more reason to be cautious. Especially when people started to compare the US response to 9/11 and that movie.
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RE: Where Are The Tough Guys In Movies These Days?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:16 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 10):
this flick

Interesting! This is a term I remember from my childhood (and I still use it myself, along with the word "pictures") but I thought it was purely an Irish term as I don't remember seeing it used elsewhere. Is it used much in the States nowadays?

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