7LBAC111
Topic Author
Posts: 2427
Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:17 am

Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:27 pm

This is apparently taken from a National Newspaper. Where I do not know, but I think it makes rather interesting reading.

Quote:
IMMIGRANTS, NOT BRITS MUST ADAPT.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending
some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on the 7th
of the 7th we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of
Brits. However, the disgust about the attacks had barely settled when the
"politically correct!" crowd began complaining about the possibility
that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration,
nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by
coming to Britain, Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of
immigrants. (The Danes, Romans etc.)

However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This
idea of the Brits being a multicultural community has served only to dilute
our sovereignty and our national identity. As Britain's we have our own
culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.
This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and
victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Indian, Urdu, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese,
Russian, or any other language therefore; if you wish to become part of our
society, learn the language! "Land of Hope & Glory" is our motto.
This is not some Christian, rightwing, political slogan. We adopted this
motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles,
founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly
appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your
new home, because God is part of our culture.

If the 'Union Jack' flag offends you, or you don't like our QUEEN, or Christmas, or Poppy Day then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our Laws give every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so!

But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our
flag, our lifestyle our government, or our way of life, I highly encourage
you take advantage of one other great BRITISH freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

It is Time for Great Britain to Speak up if you agree -- pass this along;
if you don't agree -- delete it!

I have to say, I agree wholeheartedly.

7L
Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
 
KROC
Posts: 18919
Joined: Mon May 08, 2000 11:19 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:41 pm

Careful. The same people who bash the U.S. for the same views towards immigrants here will start to bash you. Wait, its usually the Euro's anyway.  Wink
 
7LBAC111
Topic Author
Posts: 2427
Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:17 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:42 pm

Quoting KROC (Reply 1):
Careful. The same people who bash the U.S. for the same views towards immigrants here will start to bash you. Wait, its usually the Euro's anyway

LOL - I'm ready for them.....  box 

7L
Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
 
gkirk
Posts: 23349
Joined: Thu Jun 15, 2000 3:29 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:47 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
LOL - I'm ready for them..... box

You couldn't batter a Mars bar  box  fight 
When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
 
diesel1
Posts: 1482
Joined: Sat Mar 10, 2001 9:11 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:49 pm

So 7L, what's the source of your quote, where did you get it from...?

Let me know and then we'll have a discussion...  Wink
I don't like signatures...
 
MattRB
Posts: 1358
Joined: Wed Apr 27, 2005 4:49 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:50 pm

Pretty sure I've seen this on snopes.com.. or at least an American variant.
Aviation is proof that given, the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible.
 
7LBAC111
Topic Author
Posts: 2427
Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:17 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 9:55 pm

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 4):
So 7L, what's the source of your quote, where did you get it from...?

No source, came from an email I received. However a simple search on Google reveals many other publications of this article.

7L
Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
 
ANCFlyer
Posts: 21391
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:51 pm

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:13 pm

Quoting MattRB (Reply 5):
at least an American variant.

I've seen the same thing - only with a US theme . . .
FOR THOSE THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW OR UNDERSTAND
 
User avatar
AirPacific747
Posts: 9395
Joined: Mon May 19, 2008 9:52 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:18 pm

I totally agree with the author of that article! same situation in denmark!
 
cornish
Posts: 7651
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:05 pm

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:26 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
LOL - I'm ready for them..... box

You couldn't batter a Mars bar

Well he did see off Orion Big grin
(so another fatty object shouldn't be beyond him)
Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
 
diesel1
Posts: 1482
Joined: Sat Mar 10, 2001 9:11 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:36 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 6):
No source, came from an email I received. However a simple search on Google reveals many other publications of this article.

So not a national newspaper...ah well, just not worth the effort.

From other posters, looks like it's just an anglicised version of something no doubt doing the rounds elsewhere, for any other number of other nations...

Might come back to this if it gets interesting, or if I have a bit more time...
I don't like signatures...
 
cfalk
Posts: 10221
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2000 6:38 pm

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:46 pm

Agree entirely. The UK has a very proud history and heritage that is rapidly getting smothered. If you plan to live in England permenantly, you should speak the language, and do your best to fit in, while teaching your kids that they are British, not Nigerian, Egyptian, or whatever.
The only thing you should feel when shooting a terrorist: Recoil.
 
7LBAC111
Topic Author
Posts: 2427
Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:17 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:48 pm

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 10):
So not a national newspaper...ah well, just not worth the effort

Okay the email says from a National newspaper, but also has a US autosignature. Nobody said it was a British national newspaper, and at no time did I claim to know the original source!

7L
Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
 
willo
Posts: 1331
Joined: Fri Dec 12, 2003 10:21 pm

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:16 pm

There are two brief items on the front of todays Daily Telegraph.

  • 5 million new homes will be needed over the next 20 years, 1.5 million of them to meet record immigration, says the Government.

  • Millions of homes in the South East will be subject to hosepipe bans from next month because of the worst drought in decade.

Can anyone else see a way of easing the severe water shortages that are inevitable in the South of the country?  Wink
 
luv2fly
Posts: 11056
Joined: Tue May 13, 2003 2:57 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:24 pm

I agree 110% you came to the country for a reason, better life, more opportunity, whatever.
You can cut the irony with a knife
 
Concorde001
Posts: 1186
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:53 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 11):
Agree entirely. The UK has a very proud history and heritage that is rapidly getting smothered. If you plan to live in England permenantly, you should speak the language, and do your best to fit in, while teaching your kids that they are British, not Nigerian, Egyptian, or whatever.

While I agree broadly with what you are saying, there are some problems.

Firstly, teaching children that they are 'British'. Try telling that to a supporter of the Scottish Nationalists, Plaid Cymru or Sinn Fein - I think we need a good, hard look at ourselves in Britain and once and for all define ourselves!

Secondly, the reason why some ethnic minorities in Britain don't feel British has alot to do with the established population many years ago. For example, when many people from the then British Empire first arrived in Britain to settle in the 50s/60s, for example from the Caribbean, they felt they were British first and foremost. Throughout their tenure as British subjects, the populations of the West Indian isles had been encouraged to think of Britain as home...the vast majority of Jamaicans and their Island compatriots regarded themselves as British in both name and substance. However what happened when they arrived in Britain? Signs on windows on houses available for rent reading 'No Blacks' didn't exactly foster a pride of 'Britishness', neither did discrimination at work etc. Don't get me wrong, Britain has come a long, long way since then - but the experience of their parents / grandparents and even their own experiences, especially in the 80s/90s with the Police may have done alot to discourage a sense of 'Britishness'.

Thirdly, when people thought of settling in Britain, but had little or no intention to assimilate, what exactly did the British government do to stop this? Not very much! For example, unlike the United States, Australia and many other countries, when a foreigner was granted British citizenship, he/she would be interviewed. If successful, their certificate would be send in the post - that is it, hardly a wonderful and proud moment to remember! The year 2004 was the first time ever we had 'Citizenship Ceremonies' and 'Citizenship Classes' to teach wannabe Brits our values, our languages and to instill a sense of belonging and pride. The Americans and Australians have been doing this for years. I remember watching a US citizenship ceremony many years ago, and I was impressed how the participants were so proud taking their oath of allegiance. They really did feel proud to be American.

Also, while some immigrants may be offended by the Union Flag, the vast majority are not! Most of the time it is politically correct councillors, MPs who go a bit too far - they think immigrants are offended because of British Empire etc etc . For goodness sake, they have moved on. Also, it seems that councillors and MPs can talk all day about the flag being offensive but I rarely see them claiming back the flag from the right.

Instilling a sense of belonging and citizenship is a two way process. Immigrants need to work hard to 'fit in', but the established population also has an important part to play. Meera Syal (Asian star of Goodness Gracious Me and other programmes) once said that when she grew up she felt Britain felt like home, where she belonged - she felt British. But her parents would always tell her she was Indian and the views of the established white population was that she was Indian and foreign - not British.

Personally, I feel that in an increasing globalised world, holding on to a British national identity is important. However I don't think identity should be exclusive. Many Scots for example are proud of their distinct Scottish identity and also their British identity (though an increasing number are not). So why can't a person of Indian / Jamaican descent have an Indian identity and a British identity? Britain has come along way, but I really think more needs to be done by both sides if we are to secure the future and integrity of the United Kingdom.
 
fraspotter
Posts: 1979
Joined: Sat May 08, 2004 8:12 pm

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:24 am

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Thread starter):
Christian men and women, on Christian principles,
founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly
appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God
offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your
new home, because God is part of our culture.

Same thing in the USA. This country was founded on Christian principles. If some person gets offended by the public display of religious material, pledge of allegiance, or the 10 comandments than they should maybe think of leaving and isolating themselves in some remote part of the world where "offending them" would be extremely difficult...  Yeah sure
"Taking off is optional. It’s landing that’s mandatory."
 
jaysit
Posts: 10186
Joined: Thu Jun 01, 2000 11:50 pm

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:36 am

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 16):
This country was founded on Christian principles. If some person gets offended by the public display of religious material, pledge of allegiance, or the 10 comandments than they should maybe think of leaving and isolating themselves in some remote part of the world where "offending them" would be extremely difficult...

Spare us the crap. Those of us who believe in a Constitutional separation of Church and State have no intentions of going anywhere else. If you want a religious symbol in public, put it on your lawn. I've driven by lots and lots of tacky homes with large plastic nativity displays with matching pink flamingos. You'll be in good company.

The United States is not the UK. We do not have an official religion. Worship as you please, but while you're at it, learn the principles inherent in the US Constitution, one of the loftiest documents ever written.

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Thread starter):
We speak ENGLISH, not Indian, Urdu, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language therefore

Lovely. There is no such language as "Indian." As for speaking English, some of the worst offenders of the English language are Brits themselves, starting with those beloved iconic chavs, Posh and Beck.
Atheism is Myth Understood.
 
AeroWesty
Posts: 19551
Joined: Sat Oct 30, 2004 7:37 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:38 am

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 16):
Same thing in the USA. This country was founded on Christian principles.

98% of the Founding Fathers were Masons, who had disdain for manipulative theologians of any stripe.
International Homo of Mystery
 
Concorde001
Posts: 1186
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:53 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:44 am

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Thread starter):
We speak ENGLISH

And our fellow countrymen and women also speak Welsh, Gaelic and Cornish.
 
7LBAC111
Topic Author
Posts: 2427
Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:17 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 17):
As for speaking English, some of the worst offenders of the English language are Brits themselves,

LOL - actually no that'll be the Americans.

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 19):
And our fellow countrymen and women also speak Welsh, Gaelic and Cornish

A tiny tiny minority of schools actually teach this in Britain now, and an even smaller minority use it in day to day conversation.
Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
 
cornish
Posts: 7651
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2005 8:05 pm

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 19):
and Cornish.

Hello. Did someone mention my name ?  Wink
Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
 
diesel1
Posts: 1482
Joined: Sat Mar 10, 2001 9:11 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:49 am

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 20):
Quoting Concorde001 (Reply 19):
And our fellow countrymen and women also speak Welsh, Gaelic and Cornish

A tiny tiny minority of schools actually teach this in Britain now

Can't comment on Gaelic or Cornish, but you're wrong on the Welsh element of your comment. You'll find every school in Wales teaches Welsh, as it has done for quite a few years now. The usage and understanding of Welsh is on the increase.

(And Cornish, you can go back to your afternoon nap now... you know how much you need it... Wink)
I don't like signatures...
 
senorcarnival
Posts: 1732
Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:05 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 16):

Same thing in the USA. This country was founded on Christian principles. If some person gets offended by the public display of religious material, pledge of allegiance, or the 10 comandments than they should maybe think of leaving and isolating themselves in some remote part of the world where "offending them" would be extremely difficult...

This mentality of "put up or shut up" is crap. I thought this was the land of the free, so while you are (arguably) well within your rights to put a 10 Commandments monument in front of your courthouse, I'm also within my rights to bitch and moan about it.
Oh no, she's getting impatient! Take a stab at it!
 
Daleaholic
Posts: 2654
Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:38 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:25 am

We were discussing this in Religion today at school. We all agreed that an 'immigrant' should adopt the way of life that the countries citizens have. For example immigrants in the UK should adopt the British way of life, immigrants in France should adopt the French way of life and so on.

Aren't immigrants moving away from their country for a better and different life? The immigrants here don't seem to do that, many group together and carry on their lives as if they were still in their home country.

Just my input  Smile
Religion is an illusion of childhood... Outgrown under proper education.
 
ussherd
Posts: 322
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2000 8:01 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:50 am

There is no reason why immigrants can't maintain their own language and culture and also fully integrate into society. I know something about this, since my parents emigrated from Northern Ireland to Venezuela, so I'm an immigrant's kid. I’m equally at home in the UK as in Venezuela, and while there are aspects of both cultures and ways of life that drive me crazy, I just shrug and accept that that's the way it is. I'd ever accept being discriminated against because of my ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, etc, but I believe the onus in on the immigrant to adapt to the host culture and it's ways, just as there is the requirement for the host culture to treat the immigrant as if they were a member of the host culture.

I guess the trick is to achieve the balance between the demands of the two cultures you're a part of, and the key to this is to be immersed in both cultures. Hence the danger of ghettoisation, which probably is as much a result of prejudice on the part of the host community as it is a result of the immigrant's desire to be with his own folk.

I think the Jews are an excellent example of integration whilst maintaining a distinct cultural identity.
Cada loco con su tema...
 
mdsh00
Posts: 3968
Joined: Mon May 17, 2004 11:28 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:11 am

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 16):
Same thing in the USA. This country was founded on Christian principles. If some person gets offended by the public display of religious material, pledge of allegiance, or the 10 comandments than they should maybe think of leaving and isolating themselves in some remote part of the world where "offending them" would be extremely difficult...

Ok so I'm born and raised in the US, but I'm not a Christian/Jew and I would rather not see the 10 Commandments displayed on public property. But the question is, where do I "go back home" to?

This attitude is an example of nationalism getting in the way of the true founding of the US, which is the constitution.
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
 
7LBAC111
Topic Author
Posts: 2427
Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:17 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:48 am

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 22):
but you're wrong on the Welsh element of your comment. You'll find every school in Wales teaches Welsh, as it has done for quite a few years now.

Fair enough - you are better placed than I to comment on that.

Okay back to the tiopic - all I wanted to know, as per the last line of the quote, is Do people agree or Disagree.

7L
Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
 
BR076
Posts: 1032
Joined: Mon May 02, 2005 4:10 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:07 am

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 24):
Aren't immigrants moving away from their country for a better and different life? The immigrants here don't seem to do that, many group together and carry on their lives as if they were still in their home country.

If it was only that , ok , we don't bother you, you don't bother us , but it now even come so far that there are immigrant workgroups that want us to give up some several hundred years old typical Dutch traditions (Sinterklaas for example) because it happens to be that the helper of Sinterklaas is black  Yeah sure
ú
 
skidmarks
Posts: 6614
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:51 pm

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:15 am

I do agree immigration does erode the base fabric of whatever society the migrant arrives in. However, that's how societies evolve and progress.

But, what should NOT happen, and I think this is what 7L is getting at, is that the people currently in-situ should not have to be forced to abide by the rules and traditions of the incoming people. It really is up to the incomers to adapt to the "indiginous" population. And that is whether the "indiginous" population is an original or, like GB, an amalgam of other cultures and races.

Eventually the customs and beliefs of the incoming people will get absorbed into the current culture, but it should never be made into an issue that actually divides cutlures. Of course other cultures and religions should be respected and accepted, but it is not right for one person to move to another country and proceed to insist that his beliefs take precedent and must be adhered too.

Just my ten-bob's worth.

Andy  old 
Growing old is compulsory, growing up is optional
 
7FTwinOtter
Posts: 169
Joined: Sun Jul 03, 2005 10:24 pm

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:16 am

I believe that article is mostly correct but I also think most Brits don�t realise that Britain is where it is today because we fucked over a lot of the world for 400 years. I also think far too few people who complain about immigrants realise that this country could not survive without them, sure there are wasters who I have no time for but most immigrants are extremely hard working and are truly an asset to this country.
 
travelin man
Posts: 3204
Joined: Tue Mar 14, 2000 10:04 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:04 am

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Thread starter):
If the 'Union Jack' flag offends you, or you don't like our QUEEN, or Christmas, or Poppy Day then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

Wait, if you don't like QE2, you need to move? Do all Brits like the queen? And what the hell is "Poppy Day"? Do you all have to like that as well? And Jews have to like Christmas? What?

I thought part of being "British" was being able to turn your nose up at just about anything, not having to "like" certain things? I was wrong?
 
777236ER
Posts: 12213
Joined: Sat Aug 18, 2001 7:10 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:06 am

More jingoistic nonsense. The vast majority of people on benefits are white people. The teenage girls you see walking down the street with pushchairs are white. The kids who hang around on street corners spitting at people on a school day are white. Ask any employer to compare the productivity of a white British worker vs. a Polish or Chinese worker. The result may be surprising to you.

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Thread starter):
If the 'Union Jack' flag offends you, or you don't like our QUEEN, or Christmas, or Poppy Day then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet.

This is ridiculous for a few reasons. Firstly, you won't find the Union Jack inland, because the Union Flag is the flag of the nation. If you're offended by the Union Jack, is the author advocating moving away from the sea? There are countless white Brits who hate the Queen with a passion. There are countless white Brits (me included) who isn't a Christian and who don't celebrate Christmas. Because I don't celebrate Christmas, is the author demanding leaving my nation? The nation I was born in, raised in and am a citizen of?

The author is a reactionary, right wing idiot...the type that sells papers to those who aren't bothered enough to think for themselves.
Your bone's got a little machine
 
jafa39
Posts: 4320
Joined: Wed Mar 23, 2005 2:14 pm

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:14 am

I have lived in 3 other countries apart from the Uk, in every case I made an effort to learn the language and the culture and fit in as best I could...there is no other way if you have repect for your host country.
We, the undersigned, do hereby consent.....
 
Concorde001
Posts: 1186
Joined: Fri Jan 21, 2005 12:53 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:40 am

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 33):
have lived in 3 other countries apart from the Uk, in every case I made an effort to learn the language and the culture and fit in as best I could...there is no other way if you have respect for your host country.

Absolutely correct. That is why I find it hypocritical when some of my fellow countrymen and women can lecture immigrants all day about fitting in, but when they go to Spain or other European countries simply refuse to. I remember watching the BBC's 'How Euro are You' live programme about the relationship between Britain and Europe. In one of the feature films there was a British couple who emigrated to Spain. While they made the effort to learn Spanish, Spanish culture and did their very best to interact with the established population, they talked of how the influx of other Britons made their efforts negligible.

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Thread starter):
However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to
our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This
idea of the Brits being a multicultural community has served only to dilute
our sovereignty and our national identity. As Britain's we have our own
culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.
This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and
victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

This really gets me angry! Why don't people realise that national identity and culture are always changing and evolving, and they do so because of many reasons. For example, 'British' meant one thing in the 18th century, then changed to something else in the 19th century during the high noon of empire. It again changed in the 20th century and will again in the 21st. So all this talk about British culture being developed is nonsense as it implies that our nation's culture has reached a point where it is set in stone. It has not - for example who would have thought 50 years ago that 'curry' would be our national dish? Every nations' culture and identity is not set in stone - in the early twentieth century Australians were first and foremost British to the boot. Today Australia is a proud, mature nation and unashamedly Australian.
 
Dougloid
Posts: 7248
Joined: Tue Jul 05, 2005 2:44 am

RE: Immigrants, Not Brits Must Adapt

Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:34 am

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Thread starter):
This is not some Christian, rightwing, political slogan. We adopted this
motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles,
founded this nation, and this is clearly documented.

In a word, malarkey. Horse feathers. Bull pucky. Horse doodoo.

If that's so, what was all that blue woad about, and who built Stonehenge?

Pagans, that's who. Worshipers of Wotan, Druids, the occasional worshiper of the Roman Pantheon and who knows what else?

Christianity quite simply had nothing to do with the founding of Britain other than being along for the ride and thinking it was more important than it turned out to be. Oh, sure, the influence of the church was important, and Henry VIII wanted a divorce and couldn't get one so he started his own church....
If you believe in coincidence, you haven't looked close enough-Joe Leaphorn

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Eagle15, einsteinboricua, flyguy89, GrahamHill and 26 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos