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Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:26 pm

Why didn't the UK join the Schengen cooperation? This makes quite some things inconvenient, so is there any particular reason why the UK didn't join this cooperation?

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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:38 pm

Because we want to control our own immigration and border arrangements.
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:41 pm

I think we'd prefer to stay out of the USE (United States of Europe).

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 1):
Because we want to control our own immigration and border arrangements.

Aye, agree with that
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:01 pm

Ireland to join either... a pain in the neck if you ask me, especially when I have to spend upto an hour in line at immigration (mainly if arriving at Pier A in DUB), and obviously vice-a-versa when we arrive in other Scengen countries. I love though travelling between Schengen countries, eg. Spain and France as the lack of passport control really speeds things up.
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:04 pm

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 1):
Because we want to control our own immigration and border arrangements

...and a damn fine job we are doing of it as well!  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:07 pm

Quoting Willo (Reply 4):
...and a damn fine job we are doing of it as well! Yeah sure

Would be even worse if those corrupt Eurotarts in Brussels got their hands on it.
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:08 pm

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 1):
Because we want to control our own immigration and border arrangements

Pardon me if I am wrong, but I think the UK has the same (if not worse) immigration problems as the countries in the Schengen Agreement. So what advantages concretely you have for this control?

(not criticizing, I am really just asking).

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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:19 pm

Since Schengen in fact is an international treaty, it has nothing to do with the EU, at least directly. Since the UK is actually participating in some areas of the Schengen cooperation, there aren't that many differences either. It just seems odd to me that some Non-EU countries are Schengen countries while the UK is not.
 
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 7):
Since Schengen in fact is an international treaty, it has nothing to do with the EU, at least directly. Since the UK is actually participating in some areas of the Schengen cooperation, there aren't that many differences either. It just seems odd to me that some Non-EU countries are Schengen countries while the UK is not.

I'll still blame the EU anyway  Wink
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:22 pm

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 6):
Pardon me if I am wrong, but I think the UK has the same (if not worse) immigration problems as the countries in the Schengen Agreement. So what advantages concretely you have for this control?

Yeah but at least it's out own mess and problem to sort out. If we were part of Schengen then we would have no control of our borders at all and be at the whim of some twat in Brussels; We have enough of our own twats without anyone else's giving us problems. Big grin

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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:34 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 7):
It just seems odd to me that some Non-EU countries are Schengen countries while the UK is not

Odd indeed, but there are only 2 non EU countries in Schengen: Norway and Iceland, which are both members of the EEA (European Economic Area).
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:57 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 5):
Would be even worse if those corrupt Eurotarts in Brussels got their hands on it.

do you have proof of your claim that the E.U.-officials in Brussels are corrupt. And do you have proof that there are no corrupt customs-official in the public service of the U.K. ?

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 7):
It just seems odd to me that some Non-EU countries are Schengen countries while the UK is not.

E.U.-membership does NOT mean automatically Schengen-membership. Schengen/Dublin-membership at the other hand is obtainable for NON-E.U. members who have necessary association treaties with the E.U.
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:02 am

On reason I would suspect that some EU countries like the UK are not part of the Schengen agreements, yet Switzerland is, is because the UK (along with Norway) apparently does not issue a national identity card to it's citizens or legal residents (nor does the USA for that matter as to citizens). Therfore, you need a passport for identity purpose as to citizenship or residence to travel outside of the UK.
 
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:50 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 12):
On reason I would suspect that some EU countries like the UK are not part of the Schengen agreements, yet Switzerland is, is because the UK (along with Norway) apparently does not issue a national identity card to it's citizens or legal residents (nor does the USA for that matter as to citizens). Therfore, you need a passport for identity purpose as to citizenship or residence to travel outside of the UK.

The Netherlands also don't issue ID cards, yet they are part of Schengen...

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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:57 am

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 1):
Because we want to control our own immigration and border arrangements.

As it is, the UK doesn't exercise immigration controls for EU citizens, because that would violate the treaty language on free movement. EU citizens simply flash their passport OR national ID and are on their merry way. Also, a Schengen member country can temporarily suspend Schengen an any time for simple cause.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 12):
Therfore, you need a passport for identity purpose as to citizenship or residence to travel outside of the UK.

But you don't need a passport to get in if you are an EU citizen. I have seen several people at Heathrow in the EU line simply flash their ID card and enter into the UK.
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 10):

Odd indeed, but there are only 2 non EU countries in Schengen: Norway and Iceland, which are both members of the EEA (European Economic Area).

Soon three. Switzerland will join Schengen, probably effective from 2007 on. We even are not member of the EEA.
 
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:20 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
EU citizens simply flash their passport OR national ID and are on their merry way.

You can't have been through passport control recently. British or other EU, you don't just flash your passport and wander through anymore. You end up stuck in a bloody great queue and they check your passport properly.

As for Schengen, being an island changes things rather substantially. On the continent, border crossings are pretty arbitrary devices, and people could always go around them if they were even mildly inclined to. Historically, long before the advent of Schengen, border controls on the continent were pretty lax, often with no-one manning the checkpoints. Certainly they didn't check ever (or often, any) car! Britain and Ireland have always been different, because we both have rather a lot of water around us. You can't just wander over wherever you feel like it.

To put it into context, Britain and Ireland have long had a customs union - effectively a mini-Schengen in its own right - for each others' citizens, and for the same reasons.

Essentially, the British government doesn't trust other European governments to do the role of screening properly. The fiasco at Sangatte was evidence enough of that, when the French government didn't exactly discourage illegal immigrants from heading off to Britain, so long as they were off their hands. Not that I blame for that in the slightest!  Wink
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:32 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 15):
Soon three. Switzerland will join Schengen, probably effective from 2007 on.

I knew that was coming, good to hear Switzerland is entering the Schengen area, yet I must say I've crossed borders on the Austria/Swiss side by train (the only place I had my passport checked). On train from Switzerland to Italy, no checks, and while frquently crossing from/into France near Genava, I've only ever been stopped to by the motorway sticker when I didn't have one. Talking about that, your motorway system with that annual sticker is a brilliant idea, I so wish other countries would copy Switzerland.
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 17):
I knew that was coming, good to hear Switzerland is entering the Schengen area, yet I must say I've crossed borders on the Austria/Swiss side by train (the only place I had my passport checked). On train from Switzerland to Italy, no checks, and while frquently crossing from/into France near Genava, I've only ever been stopped to by the motorway sticker when I didn't have one.

You are right. I often cross the boarder to Germany and propbably in the last 100 times I didn't have to show any piece of identity, it is like Schengen already.
 
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 16):
Essentially, the British government doesn't trust other European governments to do the role of screening properly

This sounds illogical to me. How can the UK participate in a political and economic union with 24 other states, yet fail to "trust" the screening proceedures of those partner nations?

The UK has been a member state of the EU [at the time called EEC] since 1973, over 32 years.

How, after so many years, could the British people not offer their support for a policy designed to enhance economic efficiency and facilitate inter-state travel?

Here in North America, our NAFTA accord with Mexico and Canada is a mere economic treaty, without provisions for political unification. However, eleven years after its ratification by the three member states, NAFTA has proven to be a TREMENDOUS economic success for the US, Mexico and Canada. Trade volumes between member states have expanded beyond the dreams of even the most vocal NAFTA supporter.

Economic ties between the US, Mexico and Canada are stronger than ever before.

If the UK has the opportunity to join a multilateral system designed to greatly facilitate economic efficiency and international travel, it should JUMP AT THE CHANCE!
 
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:57 pm

Quoting Pdpsol (Reply 19):
If the UK has the opportunity to join a multilateral system designed to greatly facilitate economic efficiency and international travel, it should JUMP AT THE CHANCE!

Right.  Yeah sure

So we'll look forward to the US dismantling its borders with Mexico and Canada in the near future then, in the same manner?
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:17 pm

I think the primary issue is the Commonwealth - most Commonwealth citizens can visit the UK without a visa for 3 months or whatever, whereas most require Schengen visas for France, Germany etc. If the UK wished to join Schengen, it would be forced to conform to the Schengen visa requirements for non-Schengen countries, which would damage the nature of the Commonwealth.

I think Schengen is great - travelling to Rome or Frankfurt is like domestic, no passports or customs (although in fact you have to present ID anyway, so it's not much different). That said, if you take the late BA flight from LHR to NCE, it gets in around 2300, and there's never anyone at passport control in NCE anyway, so it's like a mini-Schengen agreement !

Same is true getting off the ferry from Calais in Dover - 99% of the cars whizz straight through with no checks at all. Welcome to the UK, wandering Armenians !
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:32 pm

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 17):
Talking about that, your motorway system with that annual sticker is a brilliant idea, I so wish other countries would copy Switzerland.

You can't be serious!?!

They should copy Germany - the best Motorways and NO toll whatsoever...  Wink

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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:38 pm

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 22):
They should copy Germany - the best Motorways and NO toll whatsoever...

Be fair, Alex. Who on earth would pay to go through Germany?  Wink
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:41 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 23):
Be fair, Alex. Who on earth would pay to go through Germany?

Well, some people are looking forward to seeing England disqualified in the first round of the World Cup... and willing to see it live on stadium. Maybe those "few"?  Big grin

Besides... it is the fastest way to Sweden where it is REALLY nice.

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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:56 pm

Quoting LO231 (Reply 13):
The Netherlands also don't issue ID cards, yet they are part of Schengen...

Not really true, the legal foreigners are issued with a residence permit which is basically a plastic card with the photo of the bearer and other info. It can be used as an ID.
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:21 pm

Quoting ZRH (Reply 18):
I often cross the boarder to Germany and propbably in the last 100 times I didn't have to show any piece of identity, it is like Schengen already.

into Germany and into France is absolutely no problem, but the only non-problem way into Switzerland is on the motorway from Germany into Basel via Weil-am-Rhein, and by train from Milano to Chiasso. At most other Swiss customs stations, entry is awful most of the time, every second time they take your identity-card or passport for check-up and you have to wait. So that the actual coming into effect of the Schengen/Dublin-treaty will indeed make matters easier.
 
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:27 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 21):
Same is true getting off the ferry from Calais in Dover - 99% of the cars whizz straight through with no checks at all.

true, the controls of the ferries coming from Jersey to Britain are far stricter, but that apparently is a result of the traffic volume

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 22):
They should copy Germany - the best Motorways and NO toll whatsoever...

it was like in Germany for quite some years, until people in Switzerland realized that on some motorways, more than half of the traffic was "transit-traffic"
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:48 pm

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 25):
Quoting LO231 (Reply 13):
The Netherlands also don't issue ID cards, yet they are part of Schengen...

Not really true, the legal foreigners are issued with a residence permit which is basically a plastic card with the photo of the bearer and other info. It can be used as an ID.

I meant Dutch nationals don't have ID cards, only passports when travelling in Europe..

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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:51 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 27):
the other point being that the Italian motorways are better than the German ones whenever tolls are to paid

Possibly, yet you don't have to try to drive in a 2-lane motorway with 4 cars or 3 cars and a truck going side by side...

My wife says, an italian motorway is THE proof that 2 bodies can occupy the same place at the same time...  Smile
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:09 pm

Come on, lets turn this thread into a discussion about Autobahnen and other motorways Big grin

No doubt the German system is the best, no speed limits, 13000km long, mostly good quality (the A-8 and A-5 suck, though), and no toll...  Wink

Other than that, to get back on topic, there were a lot of things brought forward against Schengen in Germany and the other countries around, but I think it is so nice that you can just cross the border, it gives a much friendlier feeling of living together, especially in areas like Aachen - Eupen - Maastricht where crossing the border has become completely normal...

I think the argument with the commonwealth makes sense, but I wonder how the French manage to give Visas to people from their ex-colonies, does anybody know whether there are differences to the British procedures?
 
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:38 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 30):
I think the argument with the commonwealth makes sense, but I wonder how the French manage to give Visas to people from their ex-colonies, does anybody know whether there are differences to the British procedures?

Countries from Schengen issue "Schengen visas" rather than their country's, I think..

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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:56 pm

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 29):
you don't have to try to drive in a 2-lane motorway with 4 cars or 3 cars and a truck going side by side...
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My wife says, an italian motorway is THE proof that 2 bodies can occupy the same place at the same time..

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well, I much prefer the Italian way of driving to the German one, which is a strange combination of discipline, stubborness and outright aggressiveness. The Italians are not very strong in regard to discipline, but are flexible and friendly.
 
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:59 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 30):
Come on, lets turn this thread into a discussion about Autobahnen and other motorways Big grin

Why not ? as the Brits for the time being apparently are adamant NOT to join Schengen for the next few years.
 
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:09 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 26):
into Germany and into France is absolutely no problem, but the only non-problem way into Switzerland is on the motorway from Germany into Basel via Weil-am-Rhein, and by train from Milano to Chiasso. At most other Swiss customs stations, entry is awful most of the time, every second time they take your identity-card or passport for check-up and you have to wait. So that the actual coming into effect of the Schengen/Dublin-treaty will indeed make matters easier.

I have other experiences. I often pass the boarder from Germany into Switzerland at Jestetten (into Canton Zürich) or Neuhausen (into Canton Schaffhausen). I almost never ever have to show my ID or passport. Most of the times I don't even have to make a full stop.

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 30):
No doubt the German system is the best, no speed limits,

Yes no speed limits. The most dangerous high-ways in Europe. To drive on German Autobahnen is horror most of of the time.
 
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:49 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 34):
To drive on German Autobahnen is horror most of of the time.

I beg to differ. No way it is more dangerous than in Belgium (driving in the streets of Brussels is always a nightmare) or in Italy. Besides, the number of accidents is not so much different than in other countries.

What is different is the lethality. YOu cannot expect much of a person to be left after a collision @ 200 Km/h.
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:01 am

Quoting ZRH (Reply 34):
into Switzerland at Jestetten

to MY experience JESTETTEN is one of the worst

Quoting ZRH (Reply 34):
Neuhausen

Neuhausen is acceptable

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 35):
or in Italy

while driving in Italy is nice
 
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:13 am

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 36):
while driving in Italy is nice

Really? Try driving on the A2 or the A1 into Milan on a Sunday night after a holiday....

Or the Brennero during the holidays in Germany...

The views and sights are quite acceptable, though Big grin

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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:24 am

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 37):
Try driving on the

Most countries on earth have trouble-zones and trouble-times, and if happen to combine both, then it is hell everywhere. Beside the point that madmen can be met everywhere as well . I btw. in past have driven sometimes into Milano on the weekend and never found anything really special.

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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:27 am

It's just a strategic move by the EU to make it harder for all the british chavs and thugs to get into continental europe.  Wink
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:32 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 16):
You can't have been through passport control recently. British or other EU, you don't just flash your passport and wander through anymore. You end up stuck in a bloody great queue and they check your passport properly.

I flew on July 8th last year (day after the bombings) LHR-FRA-NCE and back to LHR 3 days later and the passport check I had LEAVING the country (by a racist a$$hole in a suit who acknowledged he had profiled me by the looks we exchanged) was significantly more strict than the ones I saw people in the EU line getting comming into the country.

Quoting Banco (Reply 16):
Essentially, the British government doesn't trust other European governments to do the role of screening properly. The fiasco at Sangatte was evidence enough of that, when the French government didn't exactly discourage illegal immigrants from heading off to Britain, so long as they were off their hands. Not that I blame for that in the slightest!

They were asylum seekers, not illegals.

Quoting Flyingbabydoc (Reply 22):
They should copy Germany - the best Motorways and NO toll whatsoever...

There are tolls on the Autobahnen, just not on private cars  wink 
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:11 pm

I'm kind of glad the UK is not a part of the Schengen system. Any system that issues visas only for 3 days (if that's what your itinerary is) is ridiculous. Any system that does not issue multi-year visas for frequent travellers is even worse. When you combine the 2 - you get the Schengen visa!!!

Much prefer the UK visa - I have a 5 year one, and on renewal can apply for another 5 year one. The max duration of a Schengen visa is a year (at least that's the max I've got), and if you apply to another country's embassy (say Sweden instead of Germany) for renewal, you start from scratch (3 days type of junk) Sad.
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:13 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 40):
They were asylum seekers, not illegals.

No. Asylum seekers are welcome, illegal immigrants are not. Hence the differentiation.
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:32 pm

Quoting Nimish (Reply 41):
I'm kind of glad the UK is not a part of the Schengen system. Any system that issues visas only for 3 days (if that's what your itinerary is) is ridiculous. Any system that does not issue multi-year visas for frequent travellers is even worse. When you combine the 2 - you get the Schengen visa!!!

Much prefer the UK visa - I have a 5 year one, and on renewal can apply for another 5 year one. The max duration of a Schengen visa is a year (at least that's the max I've got), and if you apply to another country's embassy (say Sweden instead of Germany) for renewal, you start from scratch (3 days type of junk) Sad.

My non-EU citizen (3dr world country) girlfriend (with permanent residence in Ireland) has at the moment a multi-entry Schengen visa valid for until her Irish residence visa or her passport expires, whatever happens first. Renewal of her Schengen visa is not a problem and she never had a problem entering or leaving the Schengen area.


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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:49 pm

Doing about 50.000km/year on Italian highways and other 20000km/year abroad, I think to be eligible to give an opinion backed up by fact...

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 27):
the other point being that the Italian motorways are better than the German ones whenever tolls are to paid

Maybe there are legs of each motorway that are better, just because they were maintained recently. But the Italian motorway network is, basically, unbalanced. You have motorways that are far undersized in respect to their volumes of daily traffic and others that are almost never used (the A26 between Alessandria and the junction with the Milan-Turin A4 is a speeder's paradise!).

Usually I like most traffic and roads in Switzerland, Germany and Austria.

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 32):
I much prefer the Italian way of driving to the German one. The Italians are not very strong in regard to discipline, but are flexible and friendly.

To me, it's easier to understand German drivers (maybe because I developed my driving skills in Milan and on its freeways, where traffic rules are only personal opinions).


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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:26 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 43):
a multi-entry Schengen visa valid for until her Irish residence visa

As she's got an Irish Residence visa, she's already "a resident of" Europe, and not treated like a "3rd world country" citizen.

Apples and Oranges really...
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:30 am

Because the're too darn stubborn!!!
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Thread starter):
Why didn't the UK join the Schengen cooperation? This makes quite some things inconvenient



Quoting Nimish (Reply 41):
I'm kind of glad the UK is not a part of the Schengen system.

Michael, I agree with Nimish here. The UK has compared to many Shengen Countries, especially to Germany, a far more liberal system (Students can work, staying on is MUCH easier, tourist visas are granted much more easily than for Continental Europe).. For Indians, it would be a nightmare if the UK adopts some of the silly Shengen screenings. When I studied in London, many oversea students worked, were really part of teh society, and could stay onwards without much hassle (visa was 3 months longer than university enrollment, sponsoring was easy --> 10 yr visa etc)....

This does not answer the question as to why, but I belong to the entity who says: UK, stay out of Shengen and remain as liberal as you are  Wink (unfortunately, they adopted the ID card thingy)..

P.S.: Greetings to all fellow Brits.. had an EXCELLENT weekend back in London a week ago.. such a hybridity and absorbation of teh strenghts of immigration, be a little proud of yourself!
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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:22 am

Quoting LO231 (Reply 28):
I meant Dutch nationals don't have ID cards, only passports when travelling in Europe



I beg to differ. On the left a Dutch passport.

On the right a Dutch Indentiteitskaart or ID card. This card can be used to travel to all EU countries (including the UK !!) and the non-EU nations of Norway, Iceland, Switzerland and Turkey and the mini-states (Andorra, Monaco, San Marino, Lechtenstein and the Vatican City). These ID cards have been around for about six years.

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RE: Why Isn't The UK Part Of Schengen?

Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:50 am

Quoting Banco (Reply 42):
No. Asylum seekers are welcome, illegal immigrants are not. Hence the differentiation.

They were considered illegal going into the UK because they already were awaiting asylum in France. They were trying to get into the UK because asylum seekers are treated better there
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