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Amazing Al Jazeera Broadcast

Thu Mar 23, 2006 4:10 pm

Check out this video of an interview with Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American psychologist. She hits the issues hard, and right on the head. I just hope the link stays active.

http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=null

I find it encouraging that Al Jazeera broadcast this. You think Ms Sultan is safe? Will people understand the message?
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RE: Amazing Al Jazeera Broadcast

Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:28 pm

Which bits were cut?

I think that to describe Islam as backwards and, by implication, the west as being better, does not do justice to the long standing traditional and respectful way of life practiced by _most_ muslims. The problem the islamic world faces is that it is primarily theocratic, not democratic/secular and how it operates is seemingly at the whim of how one Mullah or another interprets the Koran so there are many different standards within the different countries in the islamic world.
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RE: Amazing Al Jazeera Broadcast

Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:28 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter):
Will people understand the message?

I think, most people WILL understand. Some fundamentalist persons will reject it out of principle of course. While it is ok that she stressed the point to be a secularist, it was NOT necessary to state that she apparently is an atheist. THIS will lead many people to reject whatever she said outright without further consideration.
 
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RE: Amazing Al Jazeera Broadcast

Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:36 pm

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 2):
I think, most people WILL understand. Some fundamentalist persons will reject it out of principle of course. While it is ok that she stressed the point to be a secularist, it was NOT necessary to state that she apparently is an atheist. THIS will lead many people to reject whatever she said outright without further consideration.

True enough, but she had the right point. When that guy in the hat started asking "Are you a heretic?", it showed the gap in thought.

Her message was that You and I can have whatever religious beliefs we want, and it is none of anyone's business. Any society that still take the concept of heresy seriously is backwards and stuck in the middle ages. It is also the mark of a religion that is so insecure in its beliefs that it cannot tollerate any sort of challenge in the form of different beliefs.
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RE: Amazing Al Jazeera Broadcast

Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:45 pm

And I find it depressing that most think these kinds of things are as non existent as the mainstream western media would have you believe (not that I believed all she said). I can't wait to see Al Jazeera International in the west, its been a long time comming.
 
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RE: Amazing Al Jazeera Broadcast

Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:47 pm

We have discussed this before...

I agree with her.

ME AVN FAN, she touches on the religion and rightfully so, she mentions some of the malcontent Islam have, for us "people of the book".

I have personal dislikes with the following quotes:

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]

- Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101). Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90). "Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193). "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12).

So I see her effort, as a means to combat people who might use such words from the scripts, to justify murder or hatred.

I believe all humans are good, but people can get lost, and I think she has a point, when she emphasize of the of the intollerant aspects of Islam, or how it can be used for intollerance.

The Arabic word she use is Dhimma and explanation for it is here:

For Muslims, there exist two kinds of non-Muslim enemies... kafir (non-believers in Islam) and ahl al-kitab (People of the Book). Kafir, such as Buddhists and Hindus, must either convert to Islam or face execution. People of the Book include Jews and Christians. These people need only submit to Muslim authority to avoid forced conversion or death. Although they may keep their original faith, their status becomes dhimmi (a "protected," yet inferior non-Muslim status). So instead of outright forced conversion or slaughter, the Christians and Jews would be allowed to remain somewhat unmolested as long as they acknowledged the superiority of the Muslim.

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RE: Amazing Al Jazeera Broadcast

Thu Mar 23, 2006 7:51 pm

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 1):
the islamic world faces is that it is primarily theocratic, not democratic/secular

"the Islamic World" is a variety of widely different world areas. Most countries in the Muslim world are rather secular in practice but NOT democratic. The clerics however fairly often are neither.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
that guy in the hat started asking "Are you a heretic?", it showed the gap in thought. Any society that still take the concept of heresy seriously is backwards and stuck in the middle ages.

True, but you can neither take "that guy" as a representative of religious people nor the lady as a representative of the secular people. alJazeera quite on intent combined two "adversaries" in order to make it interesting.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
the mark of a religion that is so insecure in its beliefs that it cannot tollerate any sort of challenge in the form of different beliefs.

which religion as such DOES tolerate "challenge" ? Imams and referends DO so, but their "religions" ? insecure ? maybe in cases, while it usually rather is stubborness .

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