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Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:14 pm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-2101032,00.html

:D

I suspect a collective cringe across France at this one.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:49 pm

 rotfl   rotfl 
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:56 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 1):
Good old Jackie boy

Tres bon  Wink
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:02 pm

Time for the French opposition to get their act together to send Chirac where he belongs: On the accused's bench of a French court of law for the various allegations of corruption.

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Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:06 pm

What a childish man! Anybody who knows the history of the world knows that there is typically a Lingua Franca from somewhere. It just so happens that it is currently English. In the early 19th century it was French-how pathetic jealously is!
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:07 pm

Embarrassed French diplomats tried to explain away the walk-out, saying that their ministers all needed a toilet break at the same time.

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:22 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 5):
Embarrassed French diplomats tried to explain away the walk-out, saying that their ministers all needed a toilet break at the same time.

I thought it was only women that done that. Oh wait they are bunch of big girls blouses.  bigthumbsup 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:29 pm

considering how much the current English language owes to French after I am surprised that Chirac hasn't come up with the face-saving solution of declaring English to be a (badly spoken and hopelessly ungrammatical ) dialect of French
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:36 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 7):
considering how much the current English language owes to French after I am surprised that Chirac hasn't come up with the face-saving solution of declaring English to be a (badly spoken and hopelessly ungrammatical ) dialect of French

I thought that the Germans could have this claim more than the French. The only French term that every American nows is Menage a Trois.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:37 pm

Ok, they are batty.
They are batty.
They are batty.
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:39 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 7):
considering how much the current English language owes to French

Trouble was, the French of the mediaeval period considered the Normans to have spoken a bastardised, bowdlerised, lower form of French in the first place. Oops.  Wink
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:39 pm

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 8):
The only French term that every American nows is Menage a Trois.

You don't know "sacre bleu!"?  faint 
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:41 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 11):
You don't know "sacre bleu!"?

Nor soixante neuf?
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:42 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 11):
You don't know "sacre bleu!"?

Of course I do! It means "blue balls" , because French women are impossible!
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:43 pm

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 12):
Nor soixante neuf?

Or "Yer maws got baws and yer dad likes it"
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:45 pm

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 8):
I thought that the Germans could have this claim more than the French.

Yep, true enough. English is a Germanic language, in root and structure. The French element is layered on top of it, expanding the vocabulary, but doesn't affect the grammar or structure. Out of the 100 most frequently used words, something like 98 of them are Anglo-Saxon.

You can speak English quite happily without ever using a Latin based word.
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:47 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 15):
You can speak English quite happily without ever using a Latin based word.

Yes, but my favorite Ricky Martin songs wouldn't have the same emotional impact.
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 6:53 pm

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 16):
Yes, but my favorite Ricky Martin songs wouldn't have the same emotional impact.

Ah. You might have got me there.  Wink
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:01 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 17):

Ah. You might have got me there. Wink

Aww man. I can't believe how much you've been in agreement with me lately. I love acceptance. Just ask my my local MAMBLA chapter! Youse on my RU list.
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:05 pm

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 16):
Yes, but my favorite Ricky Martin songs wouldn't have the same emotional impact.

Oh dear, you have a favourite Ricky Martin song, I can't believe you've confessed to that on these boards.  Wink
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:07 pm

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 19):
Oh dear, you have a favourite Ricky Martin song, I can't believe you've confessed to that on these boards. Wink

Could be worse.
Cornish confessed his love of Elton John the other day  Wow!
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 20):
Quoting Gman94 (Reply 19):
Oh dear, you have a favourite Ricky Martin song, I can't believe you've confessed to that on these boards. Wink

Could be worse.
Cornish confessed his love of Elton John the other day

Yeah but what do you expect of a Cornishman. Big grin
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:10 pm

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 19):
Oh dear, you have a favourite Ricky Martin song, I can't believe you've confessed to that on these boards.

Well, I certainly live "The Vida Loca". If only it was set to Pantera, Radiohead, or The White Stripes. Oh what the hell, Tom Jones too!
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:11 pm

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 22):
Well, I certainly live "The Vida Loca". If only it was set to Pantera, Radiohead, or The White Stripes. Oh what the hell, Tom Jones too!

 rotfl 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:31 pm

Speaking of Tom Jones, one of the best albums I've purchased in the last year is "Paul Anka Rock Swings". He does the big band cheese versions of Its my life, Eye of the tiger, Wonderwall, Blackhole Sun, Smells Like Teen Spirit, Hello, etc, etc. It sounds cheesy, and it is, but I enjoy it!

To make this relevant to thread:
The French have no respect for popular music! The last good band that they advocated was the Doors and that was 30 years ago! Christ, you think that they might have some kind of attitude. Wink
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:38 pm

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 24):
The French have no respect for popular music!

Well, there's Johnny Halliday.  yuck  Mind you, to the disgust of the French, he's just taken Belgian citizenship. Big grin
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:41 pm

I have no problem with him walking out. Sure it was childish but so was the other guy for presenting in Eglish in the first place.

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Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:44 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 26):
I have no problem with him walking out. Sure it was childish but so was the other guy for presenting in Eglish in the first place.

A person should be able to think or speak in whatever way they should feel fit, as long as it doesn't hurt anybody.
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:47 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 26):
Sure it was childish but so was the other guy for presenting in English in the first place.

Maybe, (shock, horror) he wanted everyone to be able to understand what he was saying.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 7:59 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 26):
I have no problem with him walking out. Sure it was childish but so was the other guy for presenting in Eglish in the first place.

If a British delegation has done that to someone speaking in French we would of been called the usual stereotypical things, like racists, xenophobics, little islanders etc etc.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:11 pm

Chirac is a pompous, self centred prat and not a good representation of the French people. Why is he still alive?

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Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:22 pm

Quote:
President Chirac has announced plans to start a French version of CNN to promote culture. He was furious when its managers disclosed that most of the output would be in English because otherwise few would understand it.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 20):
Could be worse.
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 grumpy  I did not  grumpy . Mind you Kirkie expressed his penchant for Pete Burns from Dead or Alive  Wow!

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 21):
Yeah but what do you expect of a Cornishman.

Wit, humour and some intelligence and common sense brought to the thread - so here I am  Wink

Quoting Banco (Reply 15):
You can speak English quite happily without ever using a Latin based word.

Kirkie being a prime example. However I'm not sure he uses many Anglo-Saxon words either  duck 
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:26 pm

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 8):
I thought that the Germans could have this claim more than the French. The only French term that every American nows is Menage a Trois.

I always thought it was "French fries", due to a number of things  Wink

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Fri Mar 24, 2006 8:39 pm

Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 8):
I thought that the Germans could have this claim more than the French. The only French term that every American nows is Menage a Trois.

English is sort of a bastard version both of French and German. It has a lot of French words but it's grammar does not have the complexity of either of those languages. One of the reasons of its widespread use is the simplicity of its grammar, practically anyone can learn it.

I have a theory that it is much easier for a Portuguese person to learn French if they already know english: the grammar is similar to Portuguese and most of the words (I would say 80-90%) can almost be taken directly from one of the two languages. When speaking just use Portuguese words pronounced differently and if it doesn't sound right just put in the English word.

Quoting Banco (Reply 28):
Maybe, (shock, horror) he wanted everyone to be able to understand what he was saying.

As the article says, there was simultaneous translation into 20 languages... people would understand anyway.
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:28 pm

Quoting Mika (Reply 32):
I always thought it was "French fries", due to a number of things

but French fries are Belgian , not French
 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:53 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 25):
Mind you, to the disgust of the French, he's just taken Belgian citizenship.

Ah, that's why Belgian Sarah Bettens moved to the US.

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 33):
English is sort of a bastard

Almost correct. The English are bastards.  Wink
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 9:55 pm

That guy is really stupid.

Time for retirement!
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:15 pm

Quoting Banco (Reply 15):
The French element is layered on top of it, expanding the vocabulary, but doesn't affect the grammar or structure. Out of the 100 most frequently used words, something like 98 of them are Anglo-Saxon.

You can speak English quite happily without ever using a Latin based word.

Tsss ...
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We all know your feelings towards France. It will be a great disappointment to you to learn that about half of the English words comes from old French.


Good day anyway.  Smile

List of English words of French origin
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A great amount of words of French origin have entered the English language. Many of those words in turn originate from Latin, and sometimes from Greek. It is via French that many Latin words have come to the English language. Most of the French vocabulary now appearing in English was imported over the centuries following the Norman Conquest of 1066, when England came under the administration of Norman-speaking peoples. According to different sources, between one third to two thirds of all English words have a French origin. This suggests that at least 30,000 words should appear in this list.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_French_origin
 
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:28 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 35):
The English are bastards. Wink

Finally a German says something sensible  Wow!  Silly  duck 
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:29 pm

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 37):
It will be a great disappointment to you to learn that about half of the English words comes from old French.

So why is Mr Chirac whingeing then? Man's a complete ass and has his head up his own bum! Big grin

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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:35 pm

Well, the French have been behaving rather badly of late.

And you can't just blame those disaffected French Muslim youth any more.

Between Chirac and rowdy French protesters who were busy burning cars in response to new labor laws this week, it feels like the storming of the Bastille all over again.
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Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:11 pm

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 39):
Man's a complete ass and has his head up his own bum!

True - sadly, he is a senile old fraud about 15 years past his sell-by date. He's hanging on, hoping that the CPE crisis will cause De Villepin to self-destruct so he can make Sarkozy the next PM, so that HE'LL self-destruct by association, leaving Chirac with a faint chance in the 2007 Presidential. The man's delusional.
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Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:29 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 7):
considering how much the current English language owes to French after I am surprised that Chirac hasn't come up with the face-saving solution of declaring English to be a (badly spoken and hopelessly ungrammatical ) dialect of French

That's great!  rotfl  Not sure how true it is with the amount of Franglaise in the language of the day, but it's freaking hilarious!

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 30):
Chirac is a pompous, self centred prat and not a good representation of the French people.

I'd have to say that he's actually a fair representation of the average Frenchman when it comes to such issues and there will be plenty of French people who see the logic in his protestations ('manning of the barricades against the English heathens').

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 37):
We all know your feelings towards France. It will be a great disappointment to you to learn that about half of the English words comes from old French.

Ah, I don't know about that. It sounds like the crap handed out to me when I was a kid and other French kids were convinced that a Frenchman had invented the airplane, lightbulb, telephone, radio and television. Someone put that crap in their heads, and they like feeling superior as much as or more than the Germans!  duck   Wink
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Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:56 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 38):
Finally a German says something sensible

I knew it. I really saw it coming.  Silly
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Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:57 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 33):
I have a theory that it is much easier for a Portuguese person to learn French if they already know english: the grammar is similar to Portuguese and most of the words (I would say 80-90%) can almost be taken directly from one of the two languages. When speaking just use Portuguese words pronounced differently and if it doesn't sound right just put in the English word.

Very true...When I began learning French at the age of 10, I already knew English and Portuguese and I found the grammar very easy, because most of the words either resembled English or Portuguese.
 
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Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:14 am

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 37):
It will be a great disappointment to you to learn that about half of the English words comes from old French.

No, you're missing the point. English does indeed have a great infusion of Latin-based words, Something I would never ever deny (indeed would celebrate) both from Norman French post 1066 and directly from Latin from roughly the 16th century onwards. But it is extremely important to understand how this came about. Anglo-Saxon is notable for its lack of Latin originating vocabulary, and thus the structure of English is Germanic. The successive waves of Norse invaders added to the word-hoard, but did not replace the the Anglo-Saxon, with many terms acquiring slightly different meanings, e.g. "job" (Anglo-Saxon) and "skill" (Norse).

The Norman invasion subjugated English, with the population speaking what is recognisably English, and the nobility Norman French. If you were to describe the successive centuries as a battle between mediaeval English and Norman French, French lost, with English absorbing huge numbers of Norman French words but retaining its Anglo-Saxon structure, rather than the other way around. It's not purely a linguistic matter either. The pride in English as a definitively separate language to French increased amongst the nobility partly because of the way that the French nobility sneered at their "country bumpkin" cousins speaking Norman French.

The point about this (and it's a critical one), is that English became a layered language. Rather than one tongue displacing the other, one absorbed the other. So, we have "go" (Anglo-Saxon) and "proceed" (French) both meaning almost the same thing, but not quite.

It's for that reason that you can talk simple English with barely the inclusion of a French or Latin word, but as you use more and more complex English, the number of French and Latin words increases dramatically.

This is simple fact. The huge number of French words in English is easily acknowledged (why on earth would anyone deny it?) but French is not, and never was, the driving force behind the development of the language.

In everyday speech, people use Anglo-Saxon originating words vastly more than they do French ones. French and Latin are the "crowning glories" of English vocabulary, not its heart and soul.

IIf you're interested in the subject (and it is a fascinating one) I would recommend some of the more readable analyses of the English language, such as Bill Bryson's Mother Tongue, or Melvyn Bragg's The Adventure of English. Both designed for the general reader rather than the linguist, and both go into what I've stated above in infinitely greater detail. You might find them rather more illuminating than an entry in the notoriously unreliable Wikepedia.

Quoting Sebolino (Reply 37):
We all know your feelings towards France

Oh, really? Pray tell.
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Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 33):
I have a theory that it is much easier for a Portuguese person to learn French if they already know english: the grammar is similar to Portuguese and most of the words (I would say 80-90%) can almost be taken directly from one of the two languages. When speaking just use Portuguese words pronounced differently and if it doesn't sound right just put in the English word.

I happen to have thought exactly the same but in regards of a Spanish speaking person to learn German, as German has some grammar stuff from English but also some complexity things seen in Spanish like male, female articles and so on.
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:43 am

Perhaps our cher Jacques wants to retire from his job as president and wants to become a clown (he is already practising). Big grin Bonne chance!
 
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Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:48 am

"When President Chirac (who is fluent in English) had a one-to-one dinner last year with President Bush, he insisted on speaking his mother tongue the whole time, even though the US President could understand him only through an interpreter."

You may think is a silly behavior, and it might be, but I can't help to note the difference with the last Mexican presidents who were so eager to show the world that they were able to speak in English during their summits with their American counterparts.

I still remember the last meetings between presidents Fox and Bush. You could tell that Fox was very proud of his aptitude to talk with Bush in English and the fact that he didn't need help during the press conference to deal in their native tongue with the American press.
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RE: Chirac Walks Out Over Use Of English

Sat Mar 25, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 34):
but French fries are Belgian , not French

I know but i was trying to make a joke (far fetched maybe) about the fact that there are many obese people in the US. Big grin

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