|Quoting Cfalk (Reply 7):|
Secondly, all these attacks on Easter etc. are clearly illegal. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." The state may not establish a religion (A Church of the United States), as was done in England, nor can it prevent religious practice.
The establishment of religion is more than just the hypothetical scenario of the President getting up one morning and proclaiming that, say, Scientology will be the official religion, namely because such a blatant act will never be done. However, the state can promote a religion in less blatant ways. Thus, the issue often boils down to the fact that state agencies and organizations funded by the State can't use their property/funds/etc. to promote or appear to be promoting any religion. Which means that putting a big statue of Jesus on a pedestal in a public building is out. However, when silly mid-level bureaucrats ask their underlings to remove boxes of easter egg chocolates from their desks, that is just zealotry or foolishness or poor taste (or being a big bore). Unfortunately, thats the kind of nonsense we hear in the press. It is also stray incidents such as these that are used as fodder by the usual cabal of fundies in their perpetual whining on how they're being fed to the lions.
|Quoting DL021 (Reply 12):|
Well, to be fair it does seem that the only non-Christians we hear from are the ones screaming bloody murder.
And in some instances they're right - for example, those who challenged Judge Roy Moore. As for the rest of us, we're too busy decorating our Christmas trees and buying gifts (and hopefully, if falcon's wife's business takes off, we can just sit at home and do that) and hoping that the Tivo doesn't crap out when its time to record the Charlie Brown Christmas special.
|Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 25):|
To say that we are in the middle of a war on Christianity goes too far, but the agenda against Christian values is painfully real.
What exactly is that agenda against Christian values? What values are we talking about here? The last time I checked, Churches were full, 90% of Americans still called themselves Christians, and Billy Graham (the father, not his rancid son) is still revered. And you can still be a practicing Christian while favoring legalized abortion, contrary to what the anti-abortion faction says. But for the Christian right, any division between Church and state is deemed a war against Christianity because social conservatives have always believed in using the power of the state to advance their messianic agenda.
The fact that some idiot calls a Christmas tree a "holiday" tree is no agenda against Christian values, because lets face it - we all know its really a Christmas tree. If some people choose not to celebrate Christmas as a religious festival, but as a big holiday, so be it.
Atheism is Myth Understood.