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F1: Australian GP

Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:55 pm

So its the Australian GP this weekend - three races in already!

Whos your pic of the top 3 this weekend?

I think its going to be hard to predict the result - with all engines been unreliable its hard to guess, but, I would say if Mclaren can capitalise on their potential and luckless Kimi doesn't need an engine change he is a strong contender for a win.

I'd say the top 3 will probably include: Raikkonen, Alonso and Button/Schumacher/Montoya. Nico is one to watch out for again - I am most impressed with him this year.

I also noticed Stoddy has made a request for Minardi in 2008...if there are other teams competing for the last grid slot, I sure hope it doesn't go to Minardi - really, what have they done for F1? With the likes of Richards and Prodrive rumoured coming to F1 I would much rather see a team with a lot of potential than Minardi.

Prodrive F1 - could be very competitive. I am a great fan of Richards, its a shame BAR/Honda got rid of him.

Adam

Also, Bill142, enjoy the race!  

[Edited 2006-03-30 13:07:17]
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:12 pm

Quoting BA757 (Thread starter):
I also noticed Stoddy has made a request for Minardi in 2008...if there are other teams competing for the last grid slot, I sure hope it doesn't go to Minardi - really, what have they done for F1? With the likes of Richards and Prodrive rumoured coming to F1 I would much rather see a team with a lot of potential than Minardi.

As he is bidding for what is supposedly the last remaining team slot on the grid and no extra entrants will be allowed, I suspect he sees this as an asset that could be somewhat lucrative to sell in the future rather than a desire to reform a team which he has little chance of pushing up the grid.....

As for the race, Alonso (with a fresh engine) is of course looking good. Fisichella will be feeling confident on the back of his Malaysia win and having won in Australia last year, but I still feel that had Renault not had a problem that made Alonso's car very heavy with fuel he probably would have beaten Fisi in a straight fight. I think McLaren will come good and sort out their reliabilty issues - but not until they get back to Europe. Australia has often seen a lot of cars drop out and it could be a race of attrition. With that in mind you have to put your money on Renault at the moment....
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:25 pm

Quoting BA757 (Thread starter):
I also noticed Stoddy has made a request for Minardi in 2008

Stoddy should stay out of F1. He created havoc last year! Shameless publicity stunts at every opportunity that he got.

It should be a very strong weekend for Renault (will they ever struggle?), and the Michelin boys in general. I believe Bridgestone were betting on much warmer temperatures, and the cool weather is not working in their favor. B has the hard compound, and with temperatures as low as 20C, getting heat into the tires will be tough.

Hard luck for a Ferrari fan like me  Sad If they overcome this problem, then MS and FM will be at the top of their game  cool 
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:11 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 1):
Australia has often seen a lot of cars drop out and it could be a race of attrition. With that in mind you have to put your money on Renault at the moment....

Partly because Australian GP is the first race of the season normally but it was put back a few weeks later because of the Commonwealth games this year, but I agree about Renault.
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:45 am

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 2):
Stoddy should stay out of F1.

I agree with you there.

Quoted From The News In Brief, section in this month Airliner World Mag.

Former Formula 1 team owner Paul Stoddart will establish a third carrier after agreeing terms to acquire five McDonnell Douglas MD-82s from China Southern Airlines. The aircraft will be offered for lease by charter European SkyBus, which will operate as a separate entity to Mr Stoddart's existing Ozjet and European Air Charter businesses.

Why does he bother, with more new airlines.

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RE: F1: Australian GP

Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:44 am

You can put good money on Webber to finish 5th.
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Fri Mar 31, 2006 11:54 am

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 2):
and with temperatures as low as 20C, getting heat into the tires will be tough.

- Excuse my ignorance, but translate that into Fahrenheit, thanks. Why this country does not use the metric system is still a mystery to me.  confused 

Quoting Egmcman (Reply 3):
Australian GP is the first race of the season normally

- It is difficult to think that Austrailia is Round 3 of the Championship this year. Is it a one time thing?


- If Fernando Alonso doesn't actually win it, he will at least be on the podium  checkeredflag 

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RE: F1: Australian GP

Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:25 pm

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 6):
- Excuse my ignorance, but translate that into Fahrenheit, thanks. Why this country does not use the metric system is still a mystery to me.

68 degrees.

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RE: F1: Australian GP

Fri Mar 31, 2006 3:01 pm

If ferrari can avoid engine changes between first practice and the race, I'd expect schumacher to be a contender, though Alonso and Fisichella must be the 2 favorites... renault has been the fastest and most reliable car thus far. Mclaren really hasn't impressed me, I know they will win races this year, but they have been unreliable AND not terribly fast thus far, while Williams has shown suprising speed, and I'd predict Webber will put on a stunning quali drive and hopefully end up in the top 3 or 4 at the end of the race.
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:32 pm

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 8):
Mclaren really hasn't impressed me, I know they will win races this year, but they have been unreliable AND not terribly fast thus far

Not really anymore unreliable than a lot of the other teams...

Not too fast? I don't know about that, I think Raikkonen would have blown them away at Malaysia if Klien hadn't taken him out...

I never expect that much from Montoya though - he hasn't shone at Mclaren like he should have done...

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 4):
Why does he bother, with more new airlines.

I have often wondered this myself, he seems to like pissing money away.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 1):
As he is bidding for what is supposedly the last remaining team slot on the grid and no extra entrants will be allowed, I suspect he sees this as an asset that could be somewhat lucrative to sell in the future rather than a desire to reform a team which he has little chance of pushing up the grid.....

Quite possibly, and this is just another reason why he shouldn't get the remaining grid slot - he has had his time in F1, and he has done nothing for it, apart from perhaps, bring a couple of good drivers into F1. Its time for another new team to have ago, a team that will do something for F1.

Anyone believe Super Aguri will be around in 2008? Maybe there will be two grid slots free?

Adam
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Fri Mar 31, 2006 7:48 pm

Quoting BA757 (Reply 9):
Anyone believe Super Aguri will be around in 2008? Maybe there will be two grid slots free?

Yes, Aguri will remain and will be funded by Honda. The rumor about "Dubai F1", i.e. McLaren's B team has been going around for a while now, so that may come to be pretty soon.

I am curious to see what Ghosn will do about Renault. It makes no sense to leave now, they are absolutely stealing all the television coverage.

I'm more interested in the driver shake ups for 2007, there is going to be a lot of moving around!
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:00 pm

For all you F1 fans, jump on frontwing.net and jin the fantasy league. You can still play despite missing two races already and you will even get the unspent funds from those races to put towards upcoming races. Do it quickly though, your picks need to be in before qualifying starts.

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RE: F1: Australian GP

Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:39 pm

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 6):
It is difficult to think that Austrailia is Round 3 of the Championship this year. Is it a one time thing?

Probably due to the Commonwealth Games.
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:25 pm

Yup, Oz was delayed because of the Commonwealth games. I think turnout at the European races may not be quite as high this year because of the Soccer World Cup.

It sucks that there will be no race at Spa this year, one of my favorite tracks. Eau Rouge flat out would be awesome.  Wow!  Angry
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Fri Mar 31, 2006 10:42 pm

News today is that as expected Prodrive have lodged an entry for the 2008 series.

They should certainly not be underestimated with their track record in other categories and will be interesting to see if they forge a partnership with a manufacturer if they do join.

Prodrive have been responsible for the following successful cars:

Subaru rally cars
Aston Martin DB9 GT racer
Ferrari 550 GT Racer
BMW M3 rally cars

and numerous others.....
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting Cornish (Reply 14):
News today is that as expected Prodrive have lodged an entry for the 2008 series.

Music to my ears this. Prodrive have to be granted a slot on the grid, the potential for success is huge.

Dave Richards back in F1 is a good thing.

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RE: F1: Australian GP

Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:20 am

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 13):
It sucks that there will be no race at Spa this year, one of my favorite tracks. Eau Rouge flat out would be awesome.

It is an amazing track, but I'd imagine with the reduced HP of the new V8s and even higher levels of aero efficiency (more downforce, less drag) than when F1 last raced at spa, Eau Rouge would sadly be just another flat out corner like 130R has become at Suzuka   I wish they would change the aero rules to get rid of all those little wings and lips all over the cars and go back to the beautiful and simple look of the cars in the early 90's, with just a front and rear wing and big slick tires.


Just wanted to add: friday practice has been completed, and after the 2nd session the top 3 drivers are the Honda, Williams, and BMW test drivers, while the "real" racers are lined up right behind in this order- Button, Alonso, Schumacher, Raikkonen, all within a couple of tenths of each other. Should be another epic battle between 4 evenly matched teams and 4 fantastic drivers.

[Edited 2006-03-31 20:30:03]
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:39 am

22 teams have submitted applications for 2008. Those include the current 11 teams, although the GPMA 5 could still potentially split, Minardi and Prodrive. The other 10 remain unknown although the McLaren Dubai project wouldn't be unlikley. It appears now that The GPMA won't split and will remain and apparently if McLaren split from the current series they will loose Vodafone and Fernando Alonso.


I imagine that out of the list off those who have made it know that they have entered an application Minardi will probably loose out due to the relationship between Paul Stoddart and Max Mosley.

Quoting BA757 (Thread starter):
Also, Bill142, enjoy the race!

I most certaily will. Hopefully the weather is good and a McLaren wins the race with no Red cars on the podium!
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:56 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 17):
22 teams have submitted applications for 2008.

 Wow! That's alot of teams! Bizzare that as recently as a couple years ago people were worried that the grid would drop below the 18 car minimum as teams complained about cost, and now there's a huge bundle of teams willing to step up to the top level... reminds me of the '88-'91 seasons when they had so many cars they were forced to run pre-qualifying sessions on the fridays of weekends to bring the grid down to 28 (IIRC).
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Sun Apr 02, 2006 9:28 am

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 17):
Hopefully the weather is good and a McLaren wins the race with no Red cars on the podium!

That would most certainly be the ideal result. RD claims Mclaren have a winning strategy and look good, so lets just keep our fingers crossed!

Adam
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:00 am

Quoting TSV (Reply 12):
Probably due to the Commonwealth Games.



Quoting Tifoso (Reply 13):
Yup, Oz was delayed because of the Commonwealth games.

- So, will Australia be Round One in 2007?  checkeredflag 

- Are there still some teams this year that have a third car that practices during the week? And is that third car the back up the for team for the weekend? How does F1 decide what teams get a third car to practice and what teams do not?

David

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RE: F1: Australian GP

Sun Apr 02, 2006 10:10 am

Can anyone in Australia suggests an alternative commentary?
Murray Walker's commentary annoys me a lot.
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:09 pm

Well they're racing after some drama in the warm up lap, Montoya spun in the last turn (embarrassing!) and Fisichella stalled on the grid forcing a second warm up lap. Trulli spun on lap 1 after touching Coulthard and Massa has damaged his Ferrari, safety car out. Phew!
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Sun Apr 02, 2006 1:12 pm

Damn, I missed the Qantas FlyOver? Bummer.

It's the damn pink pages fault, Bring it down.
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:47 pm

Anyone see Button's engine blowing up, literally, on Fisichella's face?

Scott Speed gets a point thanks to JB's blown engine...

[Edited 2006-04-02 07:47:54]
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Sun Apr 02, 2006 2:49 pm

Yeah that was pretty wild, an eventful race overall and another good win for Alonso.
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:31 pm

Quoting Senorcarnival (Reply 24):
Scott Speed gets a point thanks to JB's blown engine...

No he doesn't - he has been handed a 25s penalty for overtaking DC under yellows, and fined $5000 for swearing at DC in the hearing!

Fantastic action packed race - roll on Imola!

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RE: F1: Australian GP

Sun Apr 02, 2006 8:42 pm

Action packed race; right to the end, specatular finish with Button blowing up his engine.

Webber was leading only to have his gearbox blow up;
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:00 am

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 6):
If Fernando Alonso doesn't actually win it, he will at least be on the podium

- He'll probably win the championship, again!  checkeredflag 

- I missed the race last night and was at work today during the rebroadcast on Speed. Everytime I looked up at the television, it seemed like they had the Safety Car out! Did they have any laps at speed?  sarcastic 

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RE: F1: Australian GP

Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:05 am

Quoting Tiger119 (Reply 28):
- I missed the race last night and was at work today during the rebroadcast on Speed. Everytime I looked up at the television, it seemed like they had the Safety Car out! Did they have any laps at speed?

A couple were at speed. Like the parade lap and the slow down lap at the end.
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:48 am

What a race! Fantastic action... and we were lucky enough in Australia to have Murray Walker commentating!

Actually, you could argue that Super Aguri performed better than Ferrari this weekend.

Sure Ide caused Q1 to be red-flagged, but Massa caused Q2 to be red flagged.

Sato never left the track, MS tried to penetrate the wall after mowing most of the grass. Ide always left the black stuff by himself, Massa decided to take poor brave Rosberg with him (on the subject of Nico, did everybody see him jump out of his car and sprint away when he saw the tiny fire on his Williams?).

And most importantly, Sato and Ide finished the race, While MS and Massa are flying back to Maranello with all 3 cars in bits. As if big Ross isn't agry enough anyway  silly .
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:06 pm

Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 23):
Damn, I missed the Qantas FlyOver? Bummer.

It's the damn pink pages fault, Bring it down.

I didn't and heres a picture I took



Here are some other GP Pics I took.







Quoting VH-KCT* (Reply 30):
What a race! Fantastic action... and we were lucky enough in Australia to have Murray Walker commentating!

I recoreded it and I'm watching it now and when it come to F1 Murray is a much better commentator then Leigh Diffey and Neil Crompton.
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:10 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 31):
I didn't and heres a picture I took

Awesome! - Wtf I thought it was shitty and overcast? I guess It was just overcast in the west

Did you catch the registration?
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:32 pm

Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 32):
Did you catch the registration?

It was VH-OJP

Quoting Brendan03 (Reply 32):
Awesome! - Wtf I thought it was shitty and overcast? I guess It was just overcast in the west

It changed fairly quickly. The beginning of the race was sunny but after a few laps the temerature droped and it came over fairly cloudy.
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:55 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 31):
I recoreded it and I'm watching it now and when it come to F1 Murray is a much better commentator then Leigh Diffey and Neil Crompton.

I think it was a mistake to have 3 people all commentating. Murray should have been given the main role and Neil should have had special comments, being the racer (but told to keep his V8 comparisons to himself).

It seemed like Diffo (he shall forever be known as such after he referred to "Trullo") was always talking over the top of Murray or Neil, and needed to be sent out for some trackside info alongside the Rust.

Anyway, it was fantastic to hear Murray again, and while I admire James Allen and think he's doing a good job, Murray is still better, and unlike Cromley, doesn't just describe dead-pan what we're all looking at  Smile
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:13 pm

was a good day out, we were camped out near turn 13 were Massa smahed the Ferrari on saturday, i tell you what the Merc safety car sounded better than the F1's! great race...got some nice shots and a bit of girl action too!  Smile so was a good day for me, if not a rather drunk one! as usual my Renault boy was on the money.
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:23 pm

Some nice photos Bill - did you have a GA ticket or a grandstand ticket?

Quoting Qantas077 (Reply 35):
I tell you what the Merc safety car sounded better than the F1's!

Jeremy Clarkson says that too!

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RE: F1: Australian GP

Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:46 pm

Well apparently BAR's problems can mainly be put down to the fact that they went completely against Michelin's advice on tyre compounds for the race. Apparently Michelin wanred them that they type they cohse was not going to work for the race, and seeing as they could get no heat inmto the tyres whatsoever, Michelin must have been right. Other teams suffered but none to the extent of BAR.

Seems a bad move to me. I could understand them gambling with tyres if they were way down the grid with nothing to lose - but on pole they had EVERYTHING to lose, and did.

As for Button not making it over the line, that was a quick decision by the team. Had he crossed the line he would have had to have an engine change for the next race and forfit 10 places on the grid. This way they gambled with the points for potentially better position in San Marino where it is hard to overtake. Lets hope for their sakes that his engine doesn't blow during qualifying next time or they will have dumped those points for nothing.....
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:18 pm

One more QF 744 pic


And a few of the race...

First is Klien right after he hit the wall at turn 9...It was worth getting there sooooo early!!!


Klien's car being removed...


And the pieces remaining of Massa's Ferrari right after the end of the race...
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting BA757 (Reply 36):
Jeremy Clarkson says that too!

it's the new CLK 63 AMG...awesome machine and it certainly had a strong presence on sunday!
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:57 pm

Quoting BA757 (Reply 36):
Some nice photos Bill - did you have a GA ticket or a grandstand ticket?

I had a GA ticket. I spent most of my time between turn 2 and 5. If I go next year I will probably invest in a grandstand ticket and maybe a better camera.

Quoting VH-KCT* (Reply 34):
I think it was a mistake to have 3 people all commentating. Murray should have been given the main role and Neil should have had special comments, being the racer (but told to keep his V8 comparisons to himself

They just don't know F1 as well as the ITV guys. I also think they don't get enough support from the media crew & director to commentate it properly as they only do one GP a year. Personally I think they should stick with the ITV guys for every race, even tho there are some downsides to it.

Quoting BA757 (Reply 36):
Some nice photos Bill

I took some video onthe parade lap and the opening lap which I must have deleted because it looked like one of the numerous images of nothing as I was too slow in hitting the button. Bit bummed about it but I think I got more of the concrete wall then I did of the cars.
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:58 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 40):
I had a GA ticket. I spent most of my time between turn 2 and 5. If I go next year I will probably invest in a grandstand ticket and maybe a better camera.

I am going to Imola, I have a granstand ticket and I am hoping that the crash fence won't interfere to much with any photos I would like to get. My first GP to!

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 40):
Personally I think they should stick with the ITV guys for every race, even tho there are some downsides to it.

F1 has never been the same on ITV since Murray stopped commentating. Granted I haven't watched F1 on ITV in about a year, so I don't know if its improved or not. ITV is better than Rai though!

Quoting QANTAS077 (Reply 39):
it's the new CLK 63 AMG...awesome machine

Sure is!

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RE: F1: Australian GP

Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:05 pm

Quoting Cornish (Reply 37):
As for Button not making it over the line, that was a quick decision by the team. Had he crossed the line he would have had to have an engine change for the next race and forfit 10 places on the grid.

I am of the opinion that Button should still be given the 10 grid spot penalty. He is classified in the official race results issued by the FIA, and does not have a DNF recorded against him.

If a driver "finishes" a race, with finish being classified for the race, then he gets the penalty.

It was not a very intelligent decision by De-Ferran. He should have had Button cross the finish line; he would have at least picked up 3 points. Now, he gets 0 points, and I think will be given the penalty. Remains to be seen what happens.  Smile Although, it is extremely difficult to make such decisions when you are travelling at 200 mph  Wink
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:15 pm

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 40):
They just don't know F1 as well as the ITV guys. I also think they don't get enough support from the media crew & director to commentate it properly as they only do one GP a year. Personally I think they should stick with the ITV guys for every race, even tho there are some downsides to it.

I don't like Ch.10 commentating the F1. I'd prefer James, Martin, Louise & Ted any day over Cromley, Diffo & The Rust. In ITV we have dedicated F1 journalists and a relatively recent F1 driver, compared to an ageing v8 driver and a bloke who yells a lot (Diffo).

I always miss ITV coverage at the Australian GP. Was Murray with Ch.10 better than the ITV crew? For me I think it probably was as a once off, but of course I'd rather have Murray & Martin on ITV!

Quoting BA757 (Reply 41):
F1 has never been the same on ITV since Murray stopped commentating. Granted I haven't watched F1 on ITV in about a year, so I don't know if its improved or not.

Hearing Murray reminded me just how good that man really is because his passion for the sport is indisputable and his command of words is (to use a phrase of his own) fantastic!. Although James Allen has been settling in well, the dynamic between him & Martin vs. Murray & Martin is quite different. With James in the hot seat Martin talks a lot more and is less just special comments but rather the second commentator as well as special comments.
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:54 pm

Quoting VH-KCT* (Reply 43):
I don't like Ch.10 commentating the F1. I'd prefer James, Martin, Louise & Ted any day over Cromley, Diffo & The Rust. In ITV we have dedicated F1 journalists and a relatively recent F1 driver, compared to an ageing v8 driver and a bloke who yells a lot (Diffo).

Diffo gets excited over everything.

I really wish we could get a live feed through Fox Sports or something which has all three days of practice, qualif and race. And with Foxtel Digital now, theres nothing stopping the user from being the director and selecting camera angles.
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:45 pm

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 42):
He is classified in the official race results issued by the FIA, and does not have a DNF recorded against him.If a driver "finishes" a race, with finish being classified for the race, then he gets the penalty.

87) a) Each driver may use no more than one engine for two consecutive Events in which his team competes. Should a driver use a replacement engine before the end of the qualifying practice session he will drop ten places on the starting grid at that Event each time a further engine is used. Unless the driver fails to finish the race (see below) the engine fitted to the car at the end of the Event must remain in it until the end of the next. Any driver who failed to finish the race at the first of the two Events for reasons beyond the control of the team or driver, may start the second with a different engine without a penalty being incurred.

Jenson was classified because he had completed greater than or equal to 90% of the race distance covered by the winner (article 158). However, he did not finish the race because he did not cross the control line at the 305km mark (or the line at the end of the lap on which 2hrs race time was reached). As he did not finish he is free to change engines.

For another example of classification vs. finishing, watch the on-screen standings as a race goes on. When somebody retires, they will continue to be listed with, 1. a place (21st, 22nd etc.); and 2. a time difference (+1.037) which will quickly be replaced with a lap difference (+1 Lap, +3 Laps). Once this difference exceeds 90% of the distance covered by the leader at that time (and it will increase fairly rapidly if they have retired) our retired driver is stripped of his place (he is no longer classified) and stripped of his time/lap difference which is replaced with Not Classified.

EDIT: I guess that you could argue that the reasons that Jenson did not finish were under the control of Honda, in that they told JB to break in order to avoid finishing, and he would have rolled over the line had he not interfered. But gee that's a fairly long bow  

[Edited 2006-04-04 14:52:07]
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:37 am

Quoting VH-KCT* (Reply 45):
Jenson was classified because he had completed greater than or equal to 90% of the race distance covered by the winner (article 158). However, he did not finish the race because he did not cross the control line at the 305km mark (or the line at the end of the lap on which 2hrs race time was reached). As he did not finish he is free to change engines.

That is not correct. Consider all the cars that finish a race 2 laps down. They certainly have not completed 305 km. If your argument were to hold true, then all those cars should be able to change engines as well, because they did not "finish". Of course, we know that this is not true.

"finish" refers to being classified at the end of the race. If a driver is not classifed, he has not finished the race.
 
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RE: F1: Australian GP

Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:00 am

Quoting Tifoso (Reply 46):

There is no definition of finish in the FIA Sporting Regulations. What I assume to mean finish is that your car is still under its own power when it crosses the line after the race has been declared finished.

However, nowhere in the regs does it say that classification is in any way comparable to finishing.
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