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Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:07 am

Anyone ever been a Boy Scout? What did you think of it?

Do you think that the Boy Scouts promote all-American values, or is it just another glorified youth group?

Thanks in advance for your answers.  Smile
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:12 am

Yes, I was a scout.

And yes, I thought that scouting taught me many valuavle lessons that remain with me to this day.

But, scouting isn't for everyone. You have to be willing to be physical. And you have to be willing to get some hazeing... and give some out. It's kinda like Jocks.. with ropes, and knives... in the woods.
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:16 am

I've always thought of it as camping writ large. That is, it would be what camping would be if camping weren't supposed to be fun.  Silly

I've heard good things about the Scouts and a lot of our leaders seem to have been Scouts. Maybe that's a myth, but there it is.
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:23 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 1):
But, scouting isn't for everyone.

Yeah, if you're gay, you're not good enough to be a Scout.
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:26 am

It's a pretty diverse world, and if you believe that everyone should be entitled to their own ideas about how to live in it, then I guess you would have to concede that the Scouts should be allowed promote the lifestyle they want to promote.  Smile
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:27 am

I was an avid scouter from 8 to 16, passing up through Cubs and into Explorers. I loved the fellowship, and learned many great skills from camping skills to leadership. It was my main extracurricular activity during those years. I left scouting 34 years ago when I had the nerve to ask girls out. I could not testify to how things are now. I would guess they are very similar.

If anyone is interested in joining the Boy Scouts, I suggest that they consider joining an active troop that has been in existence for several years, with solid adults leaders and older boys.
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:31 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Yeah, if you're gay, you're not good enough to be a Scout.

Someone could always start up a gay scouts organization.
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:33 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 4):
It's a pretty diverse world, and if you believe that everyone should be entitled to their own ideas about how to live in it, then I guess you would have to concede that the Scouts should be allowed promote the lifestyle they want to promote.

So, promoting intolerance is now a good thing? Uh, OK.
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:33 am

For a lot of people, it's a good way to learn about the outdoors and how to be independent, and yet part of a team. Or so I've heard. I personally missed out on the Scouting experience because I was such a bookworm at the time.  Smile
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:34 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
So, promoting intolerance is now a good thing? Uh, OK.

Well, all private clubs are intolerant to a degree. That's what makes them private.

If you have a club of friends who like chess but hate checkers, and some guy wants in who wants to play checkers, are you going to let him in?
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:39 am

Me and my brother were all in scouts in the mid-1960's-early 1970's(including Cub and Explorers), with one of my brothers acheiving Eagle. From camping including cooking, to summer camp, hiking, learning about nature and the enviorment, learing different things via the merit badges. We also learned the danger of illegal drugs, making good judgments in life and even religious related achievements. I can never remember any perverts approaching us within Scouts.
For a number of years, adult leaders have to be checked for any criminal record, especially involving sexually perverted beheavor with children. Yes, I am aware of their anti-gay stand (upheld by the US Supreme Court) of the Scouts, but that is probably due to 1) that many sponsor groups are affiliated with religious organizations or institutions and 2) liability fears and higher insuance costs if any known gays do ever attempt to apporach a minor scout.
 
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:42 am

^^Thanks for the positive stories about Scouting.

Also, it occurs to me that Scouting must be a good thing if so many people want in!
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:46 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 10):
2) liability fears and higher insuance costs if any known gays do ever attempt to apporach a minor scout.

meanwhile Mary Kay Letourneau gets celebrated in song

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 10):
1) that many sponsor groups are affiliated with religious organizations or institutions

gosh, Catholic priests?

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 6):

Someone could always start up a gay scouts organization.

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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:49 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 12):
Abba Lipsynching
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Theatre Performance of a role originated by Bernadette Peters
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Wouldn't this be considered stereotyping, though?
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:51 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 13):

Wouldn't this be considered stereotyping, though?

it's satire in a thread that otherwise will sound like this

1) the boy scouts are wonderful and teach manners and respect

2) the boy scouts are bigots
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:55 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 14):
it's satire in a thread that otherwise will sound like this

True; a little satire never hurt anyone. Well, maybe except for Lenny Bruce. (Come to think of it, I think he was actually technically prosecuted for obscenity, as I recall.)

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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Anyone ever been a Boy Scout?

Yes, Eagle Scout in fact.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Yeah, if you're gay, you're not good enough to be a Scout.

When recieving my Eagle rank I actually made a point of my disappointment in this BSA policy. One of the most influential man in my life, my college counselor, was gay and he would have made a better scout master than the old fart running our troop.

The problem is the old crusty men running BSA who change at a pace that would make Strom Thurmon impatient.

However:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
So, promoting intolerance is now a good thing? Uh, OK.

If you think promoting intolerance of gays is the Boy Scout's first, second, or hundreth priority, you are sorely mistaken. It's an amazing organization that can have a tremendous influence on the formation of responsible, thoughtful young men, and more importantly, leaders.

If you're one who thinks the BSA is the KKK with neckerchiefs, you're too liberal for your own good.

It's an organization that needs change not an organization that should be written off.
 
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:40 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Anyone ever been a Boy Scout? What did you think of it?

I was a Scout for many years, starting as but a wee Cub Scout (gosh was I cute in my little uniform) and progressing up the "ranks" to Boy Scout. It was fun up until the Boy Scout stage. The older kids in my troop didn't seem to want us "children" around, but politely tolerated us none the less.

I earned one merit badge in Boy Scouts, Horsemanship. It wasn't my choice. There were other badges I wanted to earn, but no one else wanted to pursue them. I could have done them on my own, but where's the fun in that?

Overall, it was a good time. I had a lot of fun on the camp outs and even a couple of community service projects.
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:44 pm

I gather that one's experience can also depend on the composition of the troop one happens to be in. As with all large organizations, some groups within the Scouts might be better run than others.
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:21 pm

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Anyone ever been a Boy Scout? What did you think of it?

I was a Scout in the UK, they wouldn't let me do my Duke of Edinburgh's Award because I lived in State Housing and was therefore not considered "suitable"...so I left the Scouts and joined the Army Cadets and got to shoot things and blow stuff up!!!

I learnt some useful things as a Scout/Cadet and now my job is to promote the Duke of Edinbirgh's Award to kids from State Housing and other "unsuitable" young people...so I guess I win eh??

I think the new generation of Scouts are pretty good, there are some excellent young leaders coming through, same for all youth organisations really, you need young leaders, us old farts just don't have a clue anymore!
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:03 pm

I was i the scouts when i was at school.

I loved the camping trips Big grin



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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:57 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
Yeah, if you're gay, you're not good enough to be a Scout.

This must be a US thing. Here in the UK where we invented it there's no problem being a gay scout or leader.

http://www.scoutbase.org.uk/library/hqdocs/facts/pdfs/fs185082.pdf


http://www.scoutbase.org.uk/library/hqdocs/facts/pdfs/fs185081.pdf

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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:55 am

Quoting Highpeaklad (Reply 21):
Here in the UK where we invented it there's no problem being a gay scout or leader.

Indeed "Camping" being one of the major skills learnt in Scouts  Smile
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:04 am

I'm a scout too, but it's kind of different here in Switerland. It's more like the adventure scouts back in the US.

I learned a lot in the scouts, many social skills, being able to work with people you never met before or don't really like, being able to do great things just for the fun of doing something.... anyways, I can only suggest everyone to go there, I've had a great time and I made a lots of friends.....


Anyway, how about posting some pics of your scout time?

I'll start:



That's one of the tents we put up for a yearly state event, that time organized by us...



My camp. This year I was the boss, so I'm kind of proud of what we set up. We had 50 kids and it's a great thing being able to look back onto what one has organized...



That would be our whole team of leaders last fall. Here in Switzerland we're all pretty young, after the motto: Made for the young ones by young ones. Well, I'm turning 20 this year and it'll be my last year here as an active leader.


Now it's your turn

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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:25 am

I was in the program all the way from Cubs Scouts up through when I earned my Eagle Scout in May of 1978.

Although we had various issues with the local council and various Scoutmasters over the years, overall it was a great experience (going to summer camp each year in mountains of Southern California, Buckskin, general campouts, running the Colorado River (a story in itself), merit badges, the friendships, and how it helped me mature), and one I wouldn't hesitate to put my boys in (if I had any).

As an aside, my 7-year old daughter joined a Brownie troop recently formed at her school.

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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:38 am

I was not a scout, but suscribed to Boy's Life for years!

Now, however, my oldest son is a Cub Scout (Tiger) and has enjoyed it immensely. He joined late due to moving and stuff, but has caught up with electives and so forth.

I've found it to be a very diverse group, on both a Den and Pack level, and it has already made a difference in terms of self-discipline level of him.

Scouts aren't angels, that's for sure, but given the relative failure of our schools and, in many instances, parents, I believe the BSA to be an organization that is worthwhile, valid and one that fills the gap in terms of teaching values of citizenship, country and activities that lead to being better men.
 
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:08 am

My son is in boy scouts. He learns how to cook, and how to shop on a budget. He also has a lot of fun activities, like camping on the beach, high adventure trips like deep sea fishing, river rafting, winter camping in Minnesota, Philmont, trips to the space coast, bicycling and lots more. Sometimes I am jelaous and wish I could go. Furthermore, he learns responsibilty and leadership and he is in a great group and has fun under supervision.

I have only good things to say about our local troop, they have wonderful leaders and my son has so much fun!
 
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:00 am

Both my younger brother and sister were in the scouts (in Germany girls can join the groups as well). I joined the cadet section of the Civil Defense Technical Aid Service (THW) instead.

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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:11 pm

I spent one year as a Cub and hated it. Wrong type of group. Basically just a couple of mothers sticking the kids in a room to do a craft or two, no camping, no interaction with the older boys, etc. Later in high school a couple of friends invited me to join them and I'm sorry I didn't as I now have some idea of what Scouting can be.

I got this second chance through my son becoming involved. I wasn't really thrilled with the idea based on my prior experience but wanted to give him the chance and he did enjoy himself. After a bit I started helping a bit and somehow ended up being the Wolf Cub leader a little over a year ago and next month will be moving up to Cubmaster.

Our group is somewhat small, only about 20 Cubs/Webelos and a dozen Boy Scouts but we get out and do a lot and with the exception of extreme cold weather camping the cubs go along on almost all camping trips with the boys.

This next year will be very busy with Scouts. I'm leaving Thursday night for the first part of Wood Badge training and this summer another leader and I plan to start a local Venture Crew.

So, to answer your question I would say that by and large Scouting is very good but as with anything some groups do a better job than others as I found when I was a kid.
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:14 am

I was in the.

Beavers -(for 4/5-8yr olds)
Cubs- (8-12yr olds)
and
Scouts- (12+)

Earned a heap of badges and awards, even earn all 3 of the highest badges  Smile It was a good experience

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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:35 am

Quoting Highpeaklad (Reply 21):
This must be a US thing. Here in the UK where we invented it there's no problem being a gay scout or leader.

http://www.scoutbase.org.uk/library/hqdocs/facts/pdfs/fs185082.pdf


http://www.scoutbase.org.uk/library/hqdocs/facts/pdfs/fs185081.pdf

Chris

Why is it our British brothers and sisters are so enlightened regarding LGBT issues while US Scout leaders remain stuck in Neanderthal times?

The US Boy Scouts may be a private organization, but how many parents will want their children to associate with an institution that SPECIFICALLY bars openly-gay men from participating in their activities.

Also, why is a youth group associating itself with religion? What, pray tell, does religion have to do with becoming a Boy Scout?

Ridiculous...
 
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:20 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 14):
it's satire in a thread that otherwise will sound like this

1) the boy scouts are wonderful and teach manners and respect

2) the boy scouts are bigots

 Smile  Smile  Smile

Way to lay it out. And also: I am just fascinated by the tactic (the one that's shown up here, in the McKinney thread, and others) of stating in mock horror "Oh! But I thought you liberals were tolerant of diversity, yet here you are acting intolerant of my right to be intolerant!" I supposed the Scouts have a right to be intolerant and phobic (it would be better if they were not--argue that!), but we also have the right to call them on it (and hey, not to support them because of it, too.) It's a shame, really, when organizations that can do so much good work get corrupted by proponents of narrow-mindedness...and all in the name of...who, now?
 
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:31 am

Quoting Maury (Reply 31):
I supposed the Scouts have a right to be intolerant and phobic (it would be better if they were not--argue that!), but we also have the right to call them on it (and hey, not to support them because of it, too.)

Freedom of Association. Indeed, that knife cuts both ways.

Quoting Maury (Reply 31):
...and all in the name of...who, now?

Um, off the top of my head, traditional proven American values in teaching boys how to become solid citizens, better men, and contribute to society.

Not saying that's the residence of any one or group of demographic groups---not at all.

But live and let live. That's the way BSA comports itself. Move on.
 
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:48 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 32):
Um, off the top of my head, traditional proven American values in teaching boys how to become solid citizens, better men, and contribute to society.

Given that America is (was?) traditionally pretty liberal, I would assume 'proven American values' don't so as far as dimiscrimination based on sexual orientation?

Hitler also hated gays.
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RE: Boy Scouts: Good, And Good For You?

Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:03 am

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Anyone ever been a Boy Scout?

Yes. Got my eagle in Feburary  biggrin 

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
What did you think of it?

Best 6 years of my life. Had alot of fun. Learned too much to mention, espically that you DO NOT forget to bring your good old blue tarp for the tent when ts cloudy  Wink Furthermore, writing eagle scout on my Resume really helps  Smile well DL liked it....

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Do you think that the Boy Scouts promote all-American values, or is it just another glorified youth group?

Eh, fine line, IMHO. Today it really doesnt promote much but it does teach young men valuable lessons in leadership, the outdoors and life. But they are really a bit behind the times when it comes to gays and religion.
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