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Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:05 pm

WASHINGTON - Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, a Texan touched by a lobbying scandal that ensnared some of his former top aides and cost the Republican his leadership post, won't seek re-election to Congress, officials said Monday.

They said DeLay also is likely to resign his seat and leave Congress by the end of May.

DeLay was expected to disclose his plans Tuesday, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the congressman had not made that announcement.

Several officials said DeLay called Texas members of Congress to tell them he is dropping out of his re-election race.

"He'll resign," a former senior DeLay aide said.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...ies/040406dntexdelay.8dc0e867.html
 
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:07 pm

Well, i know I am not a resident of Houston, so this is not my decision. But all the same, based on what i've seen of this guy over the last couple of years, I think this decision will be the best thing for everyone!

Amen!

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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting DeltaFFinDFW (Thread starter):
They said DeLay also is likely to resign his seat and leave Congress by the end of May.

Is this before or after he's convicted????

Or is this before or after his plea agreement is announced????
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:10 pm

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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:17 pm

Don't let the door hit your arrogant, corrupt ass on the way out the door, Tom.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:19 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Is this before or after he's convicted????

It could also be that he's going to be indicted again in connection with the Abramoff investigation.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:20 pm

Wow, that didn't take long. Wasn't it just a few months ago he was making himself pretty for the mug shots and saying this would all blow over soon?

Maybe Abramoff is singing!
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:26 pm

Wonder if there was some collegial pressure put on old Tom, because his presence is such a sore spot with so many people?

Now, if we could get Frist to walk the plank....
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:28 pm

Too bad he didn't decide this before the recent primary election, which he won... Now the GOP has to come up with another candidate....
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:32 pm

Whatever the reason behind this, I couldn't be more pleased, but one really has to wonder what made him do the 180. Can't wait for the dirt!
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:38 pm

It was about time. It's pretty sad to see Tom Delay ending his career this way, as a corrupt politician. He used to be the poster boy of the succesful conservative wing of the GOP, the right man to put liberal Democrats on their place.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
Don't let the door hit your arrogant, corrupt ass on the way out the door, Tom.

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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:59 pm

Maybe he going to get a job lobbying ???
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:22 pm

Its starting. The Abramoff conviction and deal is starting to have its impact felt in Washington. From the article:

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He is accused of funneling corporate donations to Republican candidates for the Texas House in violation of state laws. A federal investigation also is pursuing DeLay's ties to disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff. DeLay has denied any wrongdoing in both cases.

But DeLay's woes continued to build over the past week. On Friday, DeLay's former chief of staff pleaded guilty to conspiracy and promised to help with a federal investigation of bribery and lobbying fraud relating to Abramoff. Tony Rudy admitted conspiring with Abramoff � both while Rudy worked for the Texas congressman and after he left the lawmaker's staff to become a lobbyist himself.

He is the second former DeLay staffer to plead guilty to federal charges in connection with the lobbying probe. The plea agreement makes no allegation that DeLay did anything wrong.

Just days before Rudy's plea, Abramoff was sentenced to nearly six years in prison for fraud in connection with a separate case, a casino boat business deal. He was allowed to remain free while helping the congressional corruption investigation in Washington.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060404/ap_on_el_ho/delay

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Glad to see his pompous ass out of here. I wonder if more criminal charges might stem out of this whole thing. He's already knee deep in shit down in Texas.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:51 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Is this before or after he's convicted????

Or is this before or after his plea agreement is announced????

I'm still not completely convinced the first charges will stick or even lead to a plea bargin. But before I get flamed...read on.

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 5):
It could also be that he's going to be indicted again in connection with the Abramoff investigation.

Very well could be the case.

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 10):
It's pretty sad to see Tom Delay ending his career this way, as a corrupt politician. He used to be the poster boy of the succesful conservative wing of the GOP, the right man to put liberal Democrats on their place.

Yes but at the same time he has gotten away from the core GOP platform. I'll be glad to see him go as he was a major roadblock in the way of the Fair Tax Plan. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 11):
Maybe he going to get a job lobbying

Sad but true.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 13):
I'm still not completely convinced the first charges will stick or even lead to a plea bargin. But before I get flamed...read on.

You may have a point - and your followon comments are noted.

DeLay's sudden 'about face' leads me to believe something is amiss (as if that wasn't already the case) with Abramoff . . . I don't think he'd have bailed out so rapidly - and without pre-speculation - had someone not presented him with something he couldn't lie, weasel or cheat his way out of . . .
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:21 pm

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 3):

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I'd be absolutely shocked if he isn't found guilty of something. Will all the "this will all blow over" talk coming out of him and his intents to run again, this quick about-face of policy tells you that he's come to the conclusion that he's going to be convicted.

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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:22 pm

I really do think the first charges were politically motivated but I suppose we'll find out more in the next few days as I will not be the least bit surprised if he gets drug down with Abramoff.

As much as I would like to think Delay is stepping down for the good of the party I know he is only doing it to save his own hide.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:29 pm

poor guy...first his exterminator business goes bankrupt, then he forgot to pay his taxes, and who can forget that whole indicted on illegal campaign contributions thing...

poor tom delay...
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:20 pm

Ding dong DeLay is gone!

Nick Lampson appears on easy street to be the next rep from TX-22! Woo hoo! Celebratory drinks all around!

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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:33 pm

This is perhaps a shrwed move by DeLay to get out somewhat quietly. As noted above, his connections to now convicted and sentenced Abramoff, including the closing in on his aids may lead to him being charged as well and having to take a lot of his time fighting or dealing with those charges. Already censured by his fellow congress members (removal from leadership roles) he doesn't have the respect or power he used to have. He had a nasty primary fight. He can leave soon and as the Governor and the Texas legisgature is Republican dominated, his replacement will be a Republican and most likely to run in November. This would giving the replacement a bump up in the elections and hurting the Democrat opposition and keep the seat in Republican hands.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:36 pm

It was really time that sleazeball got out of the game.
That guy should be in jail
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:18 pm

Wow I thought there would be a few appologists defending the guy...  wink 


The scandals that seem to be going on in the USA and to a smaller degree in Canada really make me sick of politics. NO wonder 50% vote.

Politicians who are crooks and corrupt deserve massive hard time. To me they are as bad as people who murder, not that they are evil, but they have ripped the public off. They may as well have stolen a Salvation army Kettle.

Until they realise that there is hard time for breaching the public trust nothing will change. They figure so what if I have a criminal record. I made my money and have connections to get a new job.

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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:42 pm

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 4):
Don't let the door hit your arrogant, corrupt ass on the way out the door, Tom.

Is he any more arrogant than any other politician that has been in Washington D.C. for as long as he has? This seems to happen to all of them if they are there long enough.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 7):
Wonder if there was some collegial pressure put on old Tom, because his presence is such a sore spot with so many people?

The investigations aside, according to the Houston paper he saw some really disturbing internal polls that showed his support was weakening by the day. Yes he did win the primary but mainly because the other two running just didn't have the name recognition he did.

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 10):
It was about time. It's pretty sad to see Tom Delay ending his career this way, as a corrupt politician. He used to be the poster boy of the successful conservative wing of the GOP, the right man to put liberal Democrats on their place.

It's always sad to see anybody end their career on a questionable note. That being said, his kind of style always invites trouble. You can only bully people around for so long before they start looking for ways to retaliate. If you can't stay squeaky clean it's just not the approach you want to be using.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 12):
Glad to see his pompous ass out of here

See above, which one of them doesn't get pompous once they've been there for awhile? Let me guess, Rep. Cynthia McKinney?

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 12):
He's already knee deep in shit down in Texas.

Some of that has already been dismissed and the rest is being disputed in appeals before trial. It's been shown that the prosecutor in the case as well as a couple of the judges should consider themselves biased against DeLay. Not defending the guy since he has always rubbed me the wrong way but just because you can't beat him at the ballot box is no reason to trump up charges.

Quoting DC10GUY (Reply 11):
Maybe he going to get a job lobbying ???

According to his spokesman he will change his permanent residence to his condo in Virgina. He claims he will continue to work for the conservative agenda, outside of Congress where he feels he will be more effective. In other words, lobbying. This is the kind of thing I detest. There should be a rule or law that says that you have to wait an appreciable amount of time before you can become a lobbyist after leaving government employ.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
. I don't think he'd have bailed out so rapidly - and without pre-speculation - had someone not presented him with something he couldn't lie, weasel or cheat his way out of . . .

I think he saw some poll numbers that showed his support was eroding rather rapidly. Rather than go down in flames he resigns, goes straight to lobbying. My question is, if you resign, do you keep your retirement benefits?
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:23 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 22):
Is he any more arrogant than any other politician that has been in Washington D.C. for as long as he has?

Yes. Absolutely. Without question.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:28 am

The culture of corruption finally oozes into action...no delay, no DeLay!

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 21):
Wow I thought there would be a few appologists defending the guy...   

They were, until DeLay pre-emtped them by quitting. This morning, the refrain is "I never liked him anyway (sniff.)"

He will, of course, blame "liberal Democrats" for his downfall, which is apparently new Reep code for "Jack Abramoff." He's been pandering to the Xian right lately, so a nice loyal power base there should keep him well-employed; many a chicken dinner in his future, many an amusing speech from a has-been professional pol who was, at the very (very) least, able to read the poll numbers and the handwriting on the wall.
 
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:34 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 23):
Yes. Absolutely. Without question.

Than Jim Wright? Dan Rostenkowski? Newt? Kennedy? Nixon? and those are just a few. These are and were pretty arrogant, my way or the highway, people. Are you sure your not confusing "dogged" with "arrogant"?
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:35 am

Quoting Texan (Reply 18):
Nick Lampson appears on easy street to be the next rep from TX-22! Woo hoo! Celebratory drinks all around!

I don't know about that one....it's a real Republican stronghold. Lampson's a decent enough fellow though, but I'd prefer new blood. Not my district though.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 19):
This is perhaps a shrwed move by DeLay

I was thinking the same thing. That SOB gets off with a long TIME interview in which he arrogantly comes off as pure as the wind driven snow. I hate that he's probably going to avoid any further investigation as a result--I wonder what kind of deals were cut.

Politically, it is brilliant though- he falls on the sword, gets the distraction factor. I think that's why the Democrats have trouble lately- they don't keep their house in order and let the distractions become so overwhelming that it impacts their party. The Republicans don't seem to do that....I don't know if it's a well crafted political move or a pre-emptive move to avoid prosecution or something else.

Either way, one more sanctimonious bureaucrat gone to pasture.

Quoting Maury (Reply 24):
The culture of corruption finally oozes into action...no delay, no DeLay!

LOL! I like that....  Smile



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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:51 am

Beautiful way to start the morning and seeing DeLay is going to resign on the front page. Can't wait to hear Fox, Rush and his kind spin this. Hopefully we will be seeing Mr. DeLay doing the perp walk soon.
 
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:20 am

Christ Matthews is claiming he broke the story and he wasn't even the interviewer...what a job!

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3dl.htm

I'll take Tim Russert any day over Lameball CM.

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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:55 am

Delay is far from clear. If he broke the law, resigning from congress doesn't change a thing. He can have charges leveled against him in connection to the Abramoff case. If Abramoff is truly spilling his beans about all his wheelings and dealings, Delay is far from safe.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:55 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 22):
It's always sad to see anybody end their career on a questionable note.

Not this time. DeLay has been crooked, and I have no tears at all for the way his career is ending (at least in Congress, he'll go on to work as a lobbyist and make obscene amounts of money).

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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:03 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 30):
Quoting Gilligan (Reply 22):
It's always sad to see anybody end their career on a questionable note.

Not this time. DeLay has been crooked, and I have no tears at all for the way his career is ending (at least in Congress, he'll go on to work as a lobbyist and make obscene amounts of money).

Amen. He's an arrogant, rotten ass, and no one should cry for this lout.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:07 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 30):
Not this time. DeLay has been crooked, and I have no tears at all for the way his career is ending

Well that's pretty harsh, no matter who we're talking about.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:10 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 32):
Well that's pretty harsh, no matter who we're talking about.

Why? If it is true that he broke the laws on lobbying and ethics, then he did the worst thing a politician could do; betray his constituents. If he only went to Washington to make himself and his fat cat buddies richer, then hell yea I feel no sympathy for him.

As for Abramoff and Delay's connections, this clip from CSPAN is very educational and slightly ironic, considering that Abramoff is now going to jail and the way things are going, Delay could be sharing a cell with "Duke" Cunningham.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/04/04.html#a7779
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:15 am

Based on his statements after his resignation, I'm willing to put money that he's been 'tipped' to additional likely charges. He said he resigned to keep the November election from being a referendum on him personally, which considering the shakiness of the current set of charges, leads me to believe something a tad more substantial is in the pipe.

And yes Gilligan, in this particular case, while he may be no sleazier than some of the other long termers, politically, he deserves everything he gets. Karma really is a bitch!
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:22 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 33):
Why? If it is true that he broke the laws on lobbying and ethics, then he did the worst thing a politician could do; betray his constituents.

Has he been convicted? Or even charged? Or have you given up on the premise of "innocent until proven guilty"? No matter what the politicians political affiliation it always sad to see one go bad. That is unless you actually enjoy seeing certain people make bad decisions that ruin what was otherwise a pretty stellar career. How many people in this country can say they made to the level of majority whip in the House of Representatives? Even if you get elected as a member of the gang of 435 you still have to stand out somehow to get to be a king maker like DeLay was.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:27 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 35):
No matter what the politicians political affiliation it always sad to see one go bad.

To see a formerly good politician go bad? Yes, that is sad. To see them get what's coming to them as a result of going bad? Not sad at all. DeLay passed the first stage a while ago - he's into the second.

Of course, we're making the broad assumption that politicians are not by their very nature slimy, but I'll let that one go for now.

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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:12 am

Gilligan,

In case you noticed, I didn't say he was guilty. I said "IF he broke laws" then I have no sympathy for him. Of course I believe in innocent until proven guilty, where have I showed otherwise?
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 34):
politically, he deserves everything he gets. Karma really is a bitch!

Yes, if took bribes then by all means throw the book at him. According to the Houston paper, no friend of DeLay's, he has been told he is not a person of interest in the scandal.

Quoting Mir (Reply 36):
To see them get what's coming to them as a result of going bad? Not sad at all.

You have to prove he went bad first. That applies to anybody, of any political persuasion.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 37):
In case you noticed, I didn't say he was guilty

Yes, you're right. The gist of your posts though follows the old Roman adage that "It is not enough that I win, my opponent must lose", which seems a bit over the top. I was never one to say that Bill Clinton must be dirty simply because someone else said so, I said show me some proof. The same standard will apply here with me. Until someone comes out and says, yeah he took my money in exchange for blank, or the prosecutor can show bank records that substantiate his charges, I'll refrain from judgement. And it is still sad to see someone who believed in his party fall like this, even if you didn't agree with him.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:46 am

Gilligan:
You live in his district, right? Was Tom DeLay still liked in his district?
Would he have won re-election in November or was it possible that Democrat would have won?
I've read that the district is heavily Republican.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:58 am

Phew! Found our apologist. Not that DeLay needs anyone else working to burnish his image; those who liked and admired him will line up for the chicken dinners and speechifyin', and the rest of America...well, feels just a little bit cleaner tonight. Hopefully he'll fade away like Newt did, and go from faux-legend to Fox-legend.
 
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:27 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 38):
It is not enough that I win, my opponent must lose

Hmmmm, sucks don't it? Republicans played damned downright dirty in the last six years (think Karl Rove). I'm not doing anything that's considered "dirty". I've just had enough of the corruption that's been the Republicans in power. You can say what you want about the Abramoff scandal, but so far every single person implicated, involved, and convicted in this scandal is Republican.

Call me a progressive with some bite. And anyways, its starting to appear pretty damn obvious that Delay is in some serious shit, his own resignation being a strong indicator of this.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:31 am

Delay is emblematic of Congress and our entire political process.
I hardly think his ilk is limited to the Republican party.

However, that being said, the Republicans will take the hit on this, and I predict loss of the House this fall to the Democrats. On the Senate side, it will be a tougher feat, but the chances are 50-50.

Thus, 2007 will be George Bush's Annus Horribilis. If he thought 2005-6 was bad, just wait. He will be censured, if not outright impeached. Democrats have salivated over this since 2000's controversial election, and they will get their wish. The only thing Bush can hope for is the Democrats overplay their hand, like the Republicans did in 1998 with Clinton's impeachment.

Bush's presidency is beyond repair, and almost beyond relevancy.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:32 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 39):
Gilligan:
You live in his district, right? Was Tom DeLay still liked in his district?
Would he have won re-election in November or was it possible that Democrat would have won?
I've read that the district is heavily Republican.

No, his district is on the far south side of Houston and includes Clear Lake and that area. I live north of town by about 30 miles. Yes, he was still respected in his district but the remapping a year or so ago wiped out another Congressional district over towards Beaumont. That had a Democratic Congressman and there were some hard feelings over that since those people are now in DeLays district. I think, if no other shoes dropped, he probably would have won but his support was getting softer by the day due to all the bad press. If he had won it most people would have been holding their noses to get it done. A lot of people in his old district feel that the prosecutor up in Austin was just using any tool available to cast doubt on DeLay. So far that whole trial is a mess with charges being thrown out and accusations by both sides of politics being played. I still think that a Republican will take the seat, the way the political district is drawn, it would take a real knucklehead to lose.

Quoting Maury (Reply 40):
Phew! Found our apologist.

If you are talking about me I am not apologizing for DeLay at all. As I said above, until there is concrete proof that anyone has done something wrong I'll withhold judgement whether about a Democrat or a Republican. What upsets me is that someone obviously works extremely hard to get to this position and then just blows it all away with a couple of stupid decisions. It's not just Republicans but Democrats as well that get caught doing these things and all it does is taint the entire lot which is a shame. If the Democrats regain the majority in November you can bet that come January everything will grind to a halt as it did during Bill Clintons second term as they will be hell bent on revenge and trying to impeach the President. You can see it coming like a freight train at night. There will be endless hearings into everything he has done in the past 6 years with all the press and photo ops they can manage and meanwhile who suffers? Not them. They have their health care and pension plans. They will still vote themselves a pay raise whenever they feel the need. When it comes to that kind of stuff, Congress takes care of their own in a bipartisan way. It's a shame there isn't a legitimate third or even fourth party in this country. Maybe then something would get accomplished. Now all it is is a game of trying to stop the other side from having any sort of percieved victory. Meanwhile, who loses, yep, the rest of us. If they would only sit down and take the best parts of each others agenda and work together a lot of the problems in this country would be solved overnight. All they have to do is  listen  and they can't even do that. Instead all they do is highlight and bicker over the worst parts. Ok, I'm done ranting.  relieved 
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:57 am

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 42):
However, that being said, the Republicans will take the hit on this, and I predict loss of the House this fall to the Democrats.

Disagree. I think the Dems will close the gap in the House, but not take it. They have a better chance of evening or taking the Senate. They could take the House in '08 if we continue down the course we're going.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:19 am

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 42):
Thus, 2007 will be George Bush's Annus Horribilis. If he thought 2005-6 was bad, just wait. He will be censured, if not outright impeached. Democrats have salivated over this since 2000's controversial election, and they will get their wish.

You got that right. The Democrats will carry the House and probably the Senate as well. When they do the more extreme members are going to have tunnel vision and target fixation on just one thing. Impeaching and removing George Bush before the end of his term. Everything else will fall a distant second. They will change the rules to suit them and to insure that never again do they run the risk of losing either chamber.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 45):
the more extreme members are going to have tunnel vision and target fixation on just one thing.

echo...echo...echo...I'm suddenly reminded of four years of Ken Starr's endeavors, cheered on loudly by rabid Reeps...and what the grand ole' party did to the country. Now must we start up on the merits of impeachment over oral sex vs. impeachment over an illegal war?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 44):
I think the Dems will close the gap in the House, but not take it.

Quite so, Falcon. But hey, here's hope!

Goodness, the man can't even *quit* in good taste, stating he's resigning to deny the House seat to (of course) lllllliberal Democrats. Classless down to the wire. He'll use his campaign donations to pay legal bills, grab a pension, and spend his sunset years dyeing his hair and lobbying for fine upstanding causes I'm sure.
 
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:35 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 45):
When they do the more extreme members are going to have tunnel vision and target fixation on just one thing. Impeaching and removing George Bush before the end of his term. Everything else will fall a distant second. They will change the rules to suit them and to insure that never again do they run the risk of losing either chamber.

If they do that, Gilligan, they're committing political suicide, IMHO. Their best gameplan, as far as the GOP is concerned, is to let Bush hang himself. He's damaged goods now to his party. Why give the GOP a rallying point of any kind.

As far as changing the rules, remember the GOP threatened to do just that over judicial nominations, so it's a game they both play.

And trust me, the Dems, even if they gain both houses back, will lose them again someday.

the GOP has tried their darndest through bizarre Gerrymandering of districts, so you shouldn't have any complaints about Dems as far as that goes.
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:51 am

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 47):
If they do that, Gilligan, they're committing political suicide,

Agreed, but when has that ever stopped either party?

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 47):
Why give the GOP a rallying point of any kind.

Because some of their more extreme members are just as extreme as those that chose to investigate Bill Clinton at the slightest provocation. To them, all will not be well with the world unless George Bush is drummed out of an office they don't believe he should have ever held. Same as in '94.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 47):
As far as changing the rules, remember the GOP threatened to do just that over judicial nominations, so it's a game they both play.

But the GOP was going to change a lot of rules in '94 and took so much heat for it they had to stop. I don't think the Democrats will be able to contain themselves. They have dreamed of nothing but getting control of both chambers back and if they get it, you can bet they'll make it so they are in total control. All this talk that they've spouted over the past few years of allowing the minority some role in legislating will fall very quickly by the wayside. It is in both parties natures. They never want to try and work together unless they both see a way to turn it on the other.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 47):
And trust me, the Dems, even if they gain both houses back, will lose them again someday.

Not if they can change the rules to their liking. The minority will become permanent.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 47):
the GOP has tried their darndest through bizarre Gerrymandering of districts, so you shouldn't have any complaints about Dems as far as that goes.

I'm not complaining. I remember the I40 district in North Carolina. It was about 200 miles long and about 2 miles wide. Both parties try and protect their majority. It's called "To the victor go the spoils".
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RE: Tom Delay Will Not Seek Re-election

Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:30 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 6):
Maybe Abramoff is singing!



Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 12):
The Abramoff conviction and deal is starting to have its impact felt in Washington.



Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 19):
his connections to now convicted and sentenced Abramoff,



Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 29):
If Abramoff is truly spilling his beans about all his wheelings and dealings, Delay is far from safe.

Ok.. I AM NOT defending Delay... but, Abramoff has been convicted and sentenced! Don't you think it would have been to his benefit to "spill the beans" BEFORE he was sentenced? He didn't do that. BEFORE he was sentenced, he stated publicly that he had NOTHING to do with Delay...

I don't think sentences can be reduced for bringing evidence AFTER the trial, can they?
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