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Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:21 am

Hi all, Ted Stevens, the senior senator from Alaska, current Senate Pro Tempore meaning he is 4th in line for President. The King of Pork! He is beloved in Alaska for the most part. But I am curious as to what the rest of the nation/world think of him. Your thoughts are welcome.
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:32 am

I have mixed feelings. There is no question he's been very effective in looking out for Alaska's interests. As a kid in Juneau in the 70s I really looked up to him. Because my mother was on Governor Hammond's staff, I had the opportunity to meet him several times, and when he remembered me and offered me congratulations on graduating HS I was really impressed. Overall, as a Senator for the State, I'd give him an A and as a US Senator, a B- (some of the things he's done for Alaska weren't necessarily in the Country's best interest).

However lately he seems to have become a crotchety old man who's seems to be losing sight of what's important. I think his time has passed, and its time to step down (same thing w/ Young). It'll be a blow to Alaska for awhile, but something about Alaska's Congressional Delegation, they always seem to rise to the top of the Washington power structure.
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Thu Apr 06, 2006 9:58 am

His time has gone.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 1):
However lately he seems to have become a crotchety old man who's seems to be losing sight of what's important.

Couldn't say it any better. Doesn't believe in fiscal responsibility. Alaska could do better but they do get some strange politicians from there don't they. Question do you think Mr. Stevens will return to Alaska after he leaves the senate or will he stay in DC like most of them.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:39 pm

I never really liked the guy until I moved to Alaska and saw just how much good he does for this state. He deserves to go out on his own terms.

The jury is still out on Lisa Murkowski, although I haven't been overly impressed so far. I have my doubts on her staying power in the Senate. Fortunately for the good of Alaska, her daddy Frank will be voted out of the Governor's mansion this fall, unless Alaskans revert to their old habit of voting for politicians that they claim to hate.

As for Don Young, he's kind of in the same category of Stevens in terms of his longevity and power in the House, but I don't think he's near the man that Stevens is. I would rather see Young go than Stevens.

I can't believe I'm a Republican and just said all of that about our delegation!
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Thu Apr 06, 2006 1:58 pm

Being a life long Alaskan, I know the name well. I know Senator Stevens personally, but we're not golfing buddies or anything . . . I've made some plane trips with him to/from DC/ANC. I've testified at Congressional Hearings on the Hill where he was the Chairman of the Committee (Senate Appropriations). I have spoken with him personally on many occasions. I respect him quite a bit, not only as a US Senator, but as a man. He's very well respected here generally. He does have his moments.

My Father and he know each other fairly well. From the days when he was a Junior Senator and my Father ran the White Pass Railroad. Senator Stevens assisted in getting $$$ and legislation passed that really helped the White Pass Corporation in modernization in 1969.

He is the King of Pork no doubt - but I have no complaints. Every bit of it has benefited this state immensely. I have questioned his spending/appropriating motives on certain things - like those damned bridges to no where. Still, those things will benefit Alaska. And in the big scheme of things - Alaska is my home - if it's good for Alaska, I'm good with it.

I don't think he'll be around much longer - either because he will pass naturally, or will resign and come home to Anchorage. Which brings me to his son, State Senator Benny Boy Stevens - who wouldn't make a pimple on his daddy's ass. He's obvously being groomed to get the appointment when Ted steps down or dies. Anyone doesn't see this coming is blind, deaf and dumb.

As for Lisa  rotfl  - I can't say worthless loud enough.

And Don Young - the only reason he gets re-elected, sorry to say - is because of the native vote. And before you call me a racist - please remember my g/f is Athabaskan. Even she says the only reason Young has a job is because he garners the native vote here.

So as to the topic. Ted Stevens is a great person, personally and professionally IMO. His kid is a piss ant.
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:55 pm

He's pretty old...I also heard something about an airport.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:25 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
And Don Young - the only reason he gets re-elected, sorry to say - is because of the native vote. And before you call me a racist - please remember my g/f is Athabaskan. Even she says the only reason Young has a job is because he garners the native vote here.

I think it's a combination of that and the fact that nobody ever really bothers to run against him. Congressman for All Alaskans my ass.

As for Benny Boy, hopefully he's pissed off enough people (remember Valley Trash?) in this state to where if he does get appointed, his sorry ass will get voted right back out. To be honest, I've never really seen Ted as the type of person to pull a Murkowski and appoint his own offspring to the United States Senate, but stranger things have happened. Hopefully he will step down at the end of one his terms and a proper election will be held.

My personal Ted Stevens story is that I once peed next to him at a urinal in the Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport It even got me up on the stage next to Mr. Whitekeys at the Fly By Night Club.

[Edited 2006-04-06 09:26:09]
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:06 pm

Quoting Chugach (Reply 6):
I've never really seen Ted as the type of person to pull a Murkowski and appoint his own offspring to the United States Senate,

Well, technically, Ted couldn't appoint anyone - only the Governor could have done that . . . and not any longer since Alaskan's LEARNED from the Murkowski debacle . . . . now there must be a special election. But you can bet your ass the reason Benny Boy was sent to Juneau was to prep him for Daddy's chair in the big house in DC. It'll just be a little harder for him to get there.

What bothers me thje most is name recognition and some of our neighbors that aren't living and working in a major metro area or even one of our smaller cities/towns. If/when Ted dies, you can bet your ass Ben's name will appear on the ballot . . . folks won't know Ben from Ted - but they WILL know Stevens. . . and that's how the little pinhead will get elected.

Quoting Chugach (Reply 6):
It even got me up on the stage next to Mr. Whitekeys at the Fly By Night Club.

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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:34 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 7):
What bothers me thje most is name recognition and some of our neighbors that aren't living and working in a major metro area or even one of our smaller cities/towns. If/when Ted dies, you can bet your ass Ben's name will appear on the ballot . . . folks won't know Ben from Ted - but they WILL know Stevens. . . and that's how the little pinhead will get elected.

Fortunately, since most of the population lives in Anchorage/Mat-Su, people know about him. Although granted he is from Anchorage, he doesn't have the best reputation around town. I'm with you; I hope to God he doesn't get elected to the Senate.

There are some up and coming political figures in this state that would be FAR better choices. Also I wouldn't be surprised at all if Slick Knowles throws his hat into the ring again.
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:42 am

Thanks so far for your posts. I have met the man a few times though I doubt he would remember me at all. But as a life long Alaskan I respect the man for what he gets done. He can make folks in DC tremble. I watched on gavel to gavel the other day and it was him conducting a hearing in some subcommittee I dont even remember. But he jumped on one of the witnesses or whatever you case big time. For something he really had no control over.
When in DC in 2004, I did a capital tour through Lisa's office(an old highschool girlfriend was working on her staff). We was outgoing Appropriations committee chair at the time, but when we got to see the committee chambers on top of the door frame as you left there was a road sign that said "Ted Stevens BLVD" I got a kick out of it and realised he has an ego bigger than the Yukon.
But I admire the work he has done and it will be sad to see him go when he does. I think he will pass away in office. Nepetism is abundant in this state, I wont be surprised when I see Ben's name on a ballot for Senator. ANC you are right, he is being groomed for that position, for him to be a fairly junior Senator, he is already the senate president, means something. I dont think he will see nearly as much success as the ole man does.
I wasnt alive yet, but there is the infamous and mysterious crash at ANC airport with him in a lear jet in 78 I believe. Ted walked away, I think his staffer did as well. His wife and the crew died in the crash and apparently it was signifigant, but he was married to the staff not long afterwards. My father think there is some great conspiracy behind it but im not convinved.
Lisa is doing alright so far, but its a bit early to tell. Don Young, pound for pound is fairly effective as the only congressional rep from AK.
Without Stevens though, rural Alaska would be stuck 50 years behind the rest of the country rather than a decade.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 9):
For something he really had no control over.



Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 9):
I got a kick out of it and realised he has an ego bigger than the Yukon.

Those two quotes sort of sum up what I think is wrong with how he is operating lately. Like I said, overall I respect and admire the man for everything he's done for the state, but in just the last couple of years, his power and prestige seem to have become more important that his job. The bridges debacle is a perfect example. Yeah, it was standard pork that all Senators try and bring home, but when it came to light, and considering the circumstances, especially in the state and the recent disasters, to fight it the way he did was embarrassing.
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:02 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 10):
Yeah, it was standard pork that all Senators try and bring home, but when it came to light, and considering the circumstances, especially in the state and the recent disasters, to fight it the way he did was embarrassing.

Well the bridges to nowhere was a media spin that worked against Stevens. obviously the Knik crossing is a really valuable project. Anyone who drives the Glenn Highway knows about the Matvalley 350, its going to be a Busch series race next year I hear.
I havent seen what the Ketchikan bridge was all about, but to help foster the growth that is going on in those communities they are more than needed. I think he was right to get upset about money being stripped from only Alaska to Louisiana. I think rebuilding down there is critical as well but everyone not just AK needed to make those sacrafices. I give Kudos to Stevens for his threats, I am just thankful nobody called his bluff.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:51 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 11):
Well the bridges to nowhere was a media spin that worked against Stevens.

I was talking more his televised and reported temper tantrum on the floor of the Senate, but in both the Knik and Ketchikan bridges, the benefit wasn't to the population at large, but to specific land owners and developers. That being the case, why should the feds pay for the development? Again, I recognize that everyone does it, and thats part of why they are there. But once it came to light, he should have let it go.
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:19 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 12):
I was talking more his televised and reported temper tantrum on the floor of the Senate

So was I, and that was sparked because the Junior Senator from I believe Oklahoma wanted to eliminate those earmarks(only Alaskan earmarks) for the rebuilding of NOLA. His beef was that Alaska was being singled out to make a sacrafice. his tantrum worked more or less to plan. The direct approprations went away, but all states had to chip in for rebuilding. The money still went to AK but in the way of general highway funds.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 12):
but in both the Knik and Ketchikan bridges, the benefit wasn't to the population at large, but to specific land owners and developers.

Like I said I dont know enough about the Ketchikan bridge to really comment. But the Mat-Su valley is erupting with population and the 4 lane road going there is long and crowded. My parents have a cabin near Talkeetna, on Sundays driving home from the weekend the road is packed with folks also coming back from the weekend and the weekday commute traffic is worse.
A 6 lane bridge from downtown ANC to downtown Wasilla lessens the trip to a third of what it is now and congestion will be less. The population the valley warrants the bridge as it is only going to continue to grow. As for land owners and developers making out like bandits, good for them. I wish my family would have bought land in Pt McKenzie 20 years ago.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 12):
That being the case, why should the feds pay for the development?

Not for all of it, I think the state should chip in as well, and according to the Murkowski plan for the budget surplus a good amount is going into those bridge funds as well as the gasline. I recognize Alaska as somewhat of a problem to other senators who are bullied around by the Alaska delegation. But we need more federal dollars per capita. A huge state, with little infastructure, massive amounts of federal land. If it wasnt for DC helping out Alaska we would be even further behind the rest of the states.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:29 am

Im quite sure if he is the president on the Subcomitee for Telecommunications which I like to watch on C-SPAN2. Theres alot of good arguing and facts about US Fiber Optic network, Voice over - IP talks and the such which intrigues me and Stevens has a short patience.

BTW, if its any state that needs Pork...its Alaska.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:33 am

Every time I see that Knik Arm crossing, I wonder who owns the land on the other side . . . . because - there is simply nothing there. No infrastructure, no road network of consequence, nothing. Once a bridge is built a decent road network has to be built. As for commuting to Wasilla and the Mat Valley - if the bridge and roads are builts as designed - guess what: The commute time will be the same. And you'll wind up on the far side of Wasilla. The Knik crossing is a waste IMO.

As for the Ketchikan bridge. . . . the media did an injustice with that as a Bridge to No Where - to a place only 50 people live. They never mentioned the fact that the the bridge also goes to Ketchikan - and that KTN is on Gravina Island. Still, I don't like what that monstrosity will do to the scenery. A bridge over 200 feet in the air over Tongass Narrows!  rotfl  So much for Pristine SE Alaska . . . . welcome to Alaska's First City - and don't mind that bridge blocknig the view of the mountains . . .  sarcastic 

So I'm not in favor of either bridge. Both will be built I'm sure, but I can assure you I find less people that are for them than those who are against.

As for Ted's attitude . . . well, arrogance it is; ego it is . . . but he earned it. And he's effective. I guess since I'm an arrogant ass as well, I don't see a problem with using your position and ego to accomplish things on the job - tempered of course with humor and compassion - that's what Ted does. He really is a down home person when you talk to him. His kid, Benny, is a pinhead.

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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:34 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 13):
But we need more federal dollars per capita. A huge state, with little infastructure, massive amounts of federal land. If it wasnt for DC helping out Alaska we would be even further behind the rest of the states.

I agree with you there - and I again, I really don't have problems with what Stevens has done for the state. You're much better versed on the Knik arm situation than I, and it sounds like there is more than I'd heard. My impression (admittadly garnered from the press and my past knowledge) was that while the money for the bridge was included, there wasn't really any connecting infrastructure being put in place, which woud basically benefit the exisiting land owners and developers but wouldn't actually do anything (at least in the short term) for the actual growth that you reference.
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:52 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 16):
My impression (admittadly garnered from the press and my past knowledge) was that while the money for the bridge was included, there wasn't really any connecting infrastructure being put in place, which woud basically benefit the exisiting land owners and developers but wouldn't actually do anything (at least in the short term) for the actual growth that you reference.

Your impression is correct.

There are roads on the other side of Knik Arm - dirt roads and trails . .  laughing . No structured road system for miles. If you come in to land at ANC from the north, you'll fly right over Pt. McKenzie . . . you can see it for yourself.

But someone owns that land - and they will be the ones that profit (not that I care about that) when the State has to buy it to build roads and infrastructure.
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:41 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
There are roads on the other side of Knik Arm - dirt roads and trails . . . No structured road system for miles. If you come in to land at ANC from the north, you'll fly right over Pt. McKenzie . . . you can see it for yourself.

My understanding is that the bridge isnt so much for downtown Wasilla as it is for the Houston, Big Lake areas of growth. The recent construction to turn Wasilla into a freeway took care of that part of the valley. There would need to be some major infastructure built there but it would cut off lots of time for someone shooting up to Willow or on the way to Fairbanks. All Im saying is that it will be needed for the future. You cant get the Glen much wider, and it will allow those heading further north to bypass the stripmall Wasilla has become.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:14 am

I think the Knik bridge will get built eventually, but that now is not the time to do it. There are so many other road projects in the Anchorage metro area that are much more needed. For starters, the project to connect the Glenn and Seward Highways will be a HUGE undertaking. I actually feel that one those two freeways are connected, that will considerably help the overall congestion problem that Anchorage has. Let's face it--a city that only has 300,000 people in it should not have traffic this bad. Another biggie that is tied to the Glenn-Seward connection is widening the New Seward out to six lanes. That is desperately needed--as somebody who drives it everyday (until I move to Bootlegger Cove in two weeks Big grin ), I can attest to the current parking lot situation on that freeway in rush hour, especially if there's an accident.

Another issue that is being brought rapidly to the forefront is the safety of the Seward Highway going to Girdwood. As more and more people get killed by these drunks/meth addicts on that highway, public outcry is going to increase to find a solution. And quite frankly, the best solution is to divide it going to Girdwood. Yeah, some people say "well just lower the speed limit." While well intentioned, they need to pull their heads out of the sand. Alaskans have never, ever paid attention to any speed limit, ever.

The point of all that is that I feel there are more important things right now to spend that money on than a bridge over Knik Arm.
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:24 am

Quoting Chugach (Reply 19):
Alaskans have never, ever paid attention to any speed limit, ever.

God that made me think of this epic trip I made from FAI-ANC on the parks on a weekday afternoon. Saw 7 other cars between Big Lake and Nenana, total trip time, 4h 23m.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:17 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 20):
total trip time, 4h 23m

 Wow! Wow! Wow!  faint  faint  faint 

I have always thought a connection between the Glenn and the Seward was desperately needed - right along the lower hillside. Break off at DeArmoun and connect at Muldoon. Extend Tudor, extend Abbott, extend Dowling, extend 77th (? I think it's 77th) to connect up to the lower hillside to the new highway. Sure would bypass all the bullshit in Anchorage.

This entire idea of a tunnel under Fairview sprouting out of the hillside over the rail yard is absolutely bizarre.

Quoting Chugach (Reply 19):
Another issue that is being brought rapidly to the forefront is the safety of the Seward Highway going to Girdwood

The answer: Reduce the speed limit to 45, increase police presence 200%. And be very strict about the tickets. Double or triple the fines from Anchorage to Portage . . . . strict enforcement is the only way to cure this. Do NOT 4 lane that road . . . it will destroy it's beauty and adventure . . .

Another option: Anchorage - Kenai ferry. Put the heavy trucks on the ferry. They're mostly going to Kenai, Soldotna and points south anyway. Ahhh, on second thought, screw the ferry. . . . . Rabid Robin Taylor would just move the damn thing to Wrangell anyway.  sarcastic 
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:18 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 20):
God that made me think of this epic trip I made from FAI-ANC on the parks on a weekday afternoon. Saw 7 other cars between Big Lake and Nenana, total trip time, 4h 23m.

My land-speed record between Palmer and Fairbanks is 3 hours and 45 minutes


If you're wondering how I pulled that off, it was a combination of 3 things:
--Being 20 and stupid
--Filling up my car with gas in Palmer
--Not stopping, at all, for anything enroute. Went straight through.

I slowed down going through the towns, but in the wide open spaces in between I just cruised at a steady 85 to 90 mph.

[Edited 2006-04-07 04:33:42]
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:31 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
The answer: Reduce the speed limit to 45, increase police presence 200%. And be very strict about the tickets. Double or triple the fines from Anchorage to Portage . . . . strict enforcement is the only way to cure this. Do NOT 4 lane that road . . . it will destroy it's beauty and adventure . . .

I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one, ANC. While I DO agree that police presence needs to be beefed up on that road, most locals who commute between Girdwood and Anchorage, combined with residents traveling between Anchorage and the Kenai Peninsula, aren't going to like driving 45 mph for 50 miles. Some sort of compromise between local traffic and tourist traffic does need to be reached; a more immediate solution might be to add some more passing lanes between Anchorage and Indian. Giving people more chances to SAFELY pass slower moving cars and RV's, combined with increased police presence, would help to stem the tide of accidents.
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:50 am

We have pull offs now, and decent passing lanes now. Problem is - people are too stupid to pull off . . . the passing lanes - as you know - start beyond Indian (southbound). It is untenable to put them on the winding sections between Potter and Indian. Wanna talk about accident waiting to happen - there it is.

We agree - something should be done about that road. What exactly - well, I'm no traffic planner, I just clean up the messes . . . .

Speaking of Highway $$$, how about paving the rest of the Dalton??? It is afterall providing the life blood of the state with it's supplies . . .

They've straightened some sections below Chandalar now, and that will be nice, but chip seal would surely be awesome.
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:08 pm

http://www.issues2002.org/Senate/Ted_Stevens.htm

I don't really know much about him. Looking over his voting record I personally wouldn't vote for him.

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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:38 pm

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 11):
Anyone who drives the Glenn Highway knows about the Matvalley 350, its going to be a Busch series race next year I hear.

Terrific, just what I need, that is what I miss about working grave shifts at ANC, getting on the Glenn at 7 AM kicking it up to 70 and waving to all the suckers backed up at that light.

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 12):
I was talking more his televised and reported temper tantrum on the floor of the Senate, but in both the Knik and Ketchikan bridges, the benefit wasn't to the population at large, but to specific land owners and developers.

I would challenge you to drive the 7 AM Glenn highway rush hour for a week. Also it would provide a second way into Anchorage. When I was working as a dispatcher we did a medevac flight (in a lear) to Palmer, the reason why was that two tractor trailers had tipped over at Eagle River and closed the highway, blocking all Northbound traffic and putting it on the Old Glenn. There are places on that road where the old Glenn isn't an option which became a real problem a couple of years ago when the cops where chasing that guy with gun that wrecked at the Eklutna Flats and took off into the woods.....Highway was shutdown for a couple of hours.

Quoting Chugach (Reply 19):
Another biggie that is tied to the Glenn-Seward connection is widening the New Seward out to six lanes.

Agreed, but thank god Thomas Higgins didn't win the mayors race....he is the one that wanted to take the Glenn down to 2 lanes to force people to use commuter rail.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 20):
total trip time, 4h 23m.

I salute you. I thought I was doing good when I got my Homer-ANC trip time down to 3.5 hours.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 21):
Put the heavy trucks on the ferry.

Well that would work for some loads, but not all But it would be a good idea in the summer especially, could you imagine a weekend ferry special to Kenai for the King openings?

Oddly enough right now it is predicted that the Knik Bridge would see a lot of truck traffic out of the Port of Anchorge, which would save those guys from trying to get out of the port from Reeve and C Street. Getting those trucks off the Glenn isn't a bad idea either.
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:38 pm

Quoting MattCLE (Reply 25):
I don't really know much about him. Looking over his voting record I personally wouldn't vote for him.

You don't live here, so I guess it's a moot point, eh?
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:42 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 26):
I would challenge you to drive the 7 AM Glenn highway rush hour for a week. Also it would provide a second way into Anchorage.

It was bad when I lived there, I can imagine what its like now.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 26):
Also it would provide a second way into Anchorage.

But isn't that the point - the bridge, as originally apropriated wouldn't have done anything but provide access to a select group of property owners. Sure something could have been built that wasn't included in the plan, and was years off (after somebody got very rich selling the land they owned at the end of the bridge!).
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:49 pm

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 28):
But isn't that the point - the bridge, as originally apropriated wouldn't have done anything but provide access to a select group of property owners.

No, it would have tied into Knik Goose Bay road.

There is a fairly decent back road system on that side all the way to Houston
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:52 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 29):
There is a fairly decent back road system on that side all the way to Houston

Gotcha - didn't realize it was that well developed back there already
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 12:56 pm

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 30):
Gotcha - didn't realize it was that well developed back there already

I wouldn't go and say it was downtown Fairview back there. But Hell there a people commuting from Willow now!

There are a lot of gravel roads that have been put in by speculators.

Idealy you would want to build a dedicated road to run straight north to intersect the Glenn. Since there is already a push to put in a rail line to the Port Mackenzie dock it wouldn't be a hard trick to use the same right of way.
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 30):
Quoting L-188 (Reply 29):
There is a fairly decent back road system on that side all the way to Houston

Gotcha - didn't realize it was that well developed back there already

Subjective opinion there L-188 . . . there are roads, sure. None are what I would consider "well developed". And the network itself is a clusterfuck.

IF they'd build that bridge and tie it immediately to a new road that cuts across Pt. Makenzie and eventually intersects with KGB Road or some such, that would be fine.

At present - it is "a bridge to no where" . . . unless you own property on the far side.


At one point there was discussion about including a rail line from the Port of Anchorage using the same bridge accross Knik Arm . . . is this still being discussed, or has it been tabled?
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:13 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 32):
Subjective opinion there L-188 . . . there are roads, sure. None are what I would consider "well developed". And the network itself is a clusterfuck.

Ok youse guys - get your stories straight!  confused   laughing 

Actually it makes pretty good sense, and sound pretty familiar. I'm watching the debate in Juneau about a new N. Douglas bridge, and while its a lot smaller scale, pretty much the same issues/debates are going on.
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:13 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 32):
Subjective opinion there L-188 . . . there are roads, sure. None are what I would consider "well developed".

Completely subjective, but there is a world of difference in connecting two previously gravel roads into one paved one and as you noted if the developers get to work in there, it will improve through market forces.

I just wanted to point out that there is more then two ruts in the woods and nothing for miles either side.
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:13 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 31):
Idealy you would want to build a dedicated road to run straight north to intersect the Glenn. Since there is already a push to put in a rail line to the Port Mackenzie dock it wouldn't be a hard trick to use the same right of way.

I assume you mean the Parks, and not the Glenn. But that has been my other beef about the Knik bridge; provided that it's a multi-lane bridge (I hope to hell that it would be), one of those back roads in through there is going to have to become THE way. Off the top of my head, I think it might be best to connect it into Big Lake Road somehow; that way it comes out relatively close to Wasilla, and gives easier Anchorage access for Big Lake, Houston, and Willow. Plus, there's enough open land at the junction of Big Lake and the Parks Highway that a decent intersection could be constructed.
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:14 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 24):
Speaking of Highway $$$, how about paving the rest of the Dalton??? It is afterall providing the life blood of the state with it's supplies

Sounds good, but if I could have my dream it would be a locals only, gravel road up the Nushagak and connecting into the rest of my highway pipe dreams of a road up the Kuskokwim and Yukon rivers connecting into the Dalton at the Yukon bridge. I know it wont ever happen, especially as a local use only. But there is a state master highway plan for a road leading down the north side of the Yukon, I think it was proposed as the Yukon highway.
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:18 pm

Quoting Chugach (Reply 35):
I assume you mean the Parks, and not the Glenn.

Doh'

Sad part is that I know better.

But then again it has gotten so confused since they put the Glenn-Parks interchange in, which the Sierra Club voted as the single worst public works project in the country.

The shit we have to put up with....so it took up 130 odd acres, out of the 20K in the Palmer Hay Flats, which share a border with Chugiak National Forest, which shares borders with Kenai Nat Wildlife Refuge and Chugiak state park, which borders the city's Far North Bicentennial Park.........
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:22 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 37):
Chugiak National Forest

Chugach National Forest Big grin

On a side note, extending the freeway all the way to Wasilla was a DAMN good idea. It's 10x easier to drive through there now.
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:23 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 34):
I just wanted to point out that there is more then two ruts in the woods and nothing for miles either side.

Quite true - but still, Point Mac is nothing but a collection of improved Goat Trails for now . . . .

A decent, hopefully 4 lane, road from the end of the bridge to KGB or the Parks (preferably both) would be needed to make the bridge viable.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 37):
But then again it has gotten so confused since they put the Glenn-Parks interchange in, which the Sierra Club voted as the single worst public works project in the country.

Wait til the Sierra CLub and other Bunny Huggers get their say on the Seward-Glenn cluster in Anchorage. Can you imagine a "tunnel" under Fairview . . . one decent 7.5 quake and it's all over . . . not to mention an interchange at Airport Heights and the Glenn . . . ha ha ha . . .
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:25 pm

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 36):
As a rural resident, we need a cheaper way to get goods to our communities.

Agreed

I make the argument that the reason the state lacks that road network is because of the airplane. You look at someplace like North Dakota where I went to school and the reason why you have all of these small towns is that it wasn't practicable to move goods. So you had farms suppling value adding customers such as grociers and bakers, they in tern required other services. But they needed to make the investment in roads to provide the transport-or rail for heavy/bulk items.

In Alaska instead we relied on the riverboat and steamship to provide bulk shipping and the airplane for speed. It is a hell of a lot cheaper to order a dozen loafs of bread from Wonder Bakery on Spenard Road in Anchorage then it is to build one in Aniak. So roads where viewed as expensive, even back in the 20's when the state was getting "settled'.

The bad part for all of these villages, doubly those off the coast where commerical fishing is available is that there is very little incoming capitol once you get rid of goverment money. And that is one of the big reasons why so many towns are so poor.
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:29 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 39):
one decent 7.5 quake and it's all over

While I think that's a very valid point, they did the same thing in Seattle, and Seattle is in earthquake country, too. Don't forget they had a 6.Something quake there a few years ago. Granted there's a world of difference between a 6.0 quake and a 7.5 or 8.0 quake.

US 26 in west Portland is a somewhat similar setup as well: a six lane freeway underneath the West Hills.
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:33 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 39):
A decent, hopefully 4 lane,

What is the point?

They are still talking about a 2 lane one with a "Change" lane that will vary direction depending on time of day.

I would think two lanes North and Knik-Goose Bay would be able to handle it.
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:35 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 40):
I make the argument that the reason the state lacks that road network is because of the airplane.

Does anyone know that school kids in South Naknek take a Piper Cherokee to school every day? Little bit of trivia there for ya. Less than 10 kids make the trip in usually two loads. They fly just across the river to Naknek. I have been on the flight myself, spend more time taxiing than actually flying.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 40):
The bad part for all of these villages, doubly those off the coast where commerical fishing is available is that there is very little incoming capitol once you get rid of goverment money. And that is one of the big reasons why so many towns are so poor.

Spot on, farmed salmon and the residual effects of oil spill, downturn in the Japanese economy etc have hurt my community badly. Price of gasoline is $4.50 and probably going to go up this summer, price of red salmon is 60cents a pound. That just doesnt add up. We catch more salmon in this area than everywhere combined but $90 goes into cans. If there were a cheaper way to get fresh frozen filets to Seattle we would roll in the cash as a community. But when it costs .49cents for one KWH to run a freezer, and another 40cents per pound being flown out...well it just doesnt add up.
 
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:36 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 42):
They are still talking about a 2 lane one with a "Change" lane that will vary direction depending on time of day.

If that's the case, then whoever dreamed that up needs to be banned from this state along with the numbnuts that designed the Dowling roundabout.
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:47 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 27):
You don't live here, so I guess it's a moot point, eh?

Yep, but just answering the original question.

BTW...ever visited Eielson AFB? I'm going there in June.

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Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:55 pm

Quoting MattCLE (Reply 46):
BTW...ever visited Eielson AFB? I'm going there in June.

It's a nice base. Just visiting?
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:57 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 42):
What is the point?

They'll have to 4 lane it eventually - especially with the growth in housing they expect. Why short sheet themselves from the start . . . just build it properly in the first place.

Quoting Chugach (Reply 45):
If that's the case, then whoever dreamed that up needs to be banned from this state along with the numbnuts that designed the Dowling roundabout.

That's the damn truth . . . that roundabout at Dowling and the New Seward is simply too damn small . . . only benefit is that no big trucks will go there . . . they refuse.

Now, there's going to be a new roudnabout at Minnesota and C . . . built much larger to accomodate the large trucks. Still roundabouts suck. People in Alaska do NOT know how to use them.

Quoting MattCLE (Reply 46):
ever visited Eielson AFB?

My brother was stationed there in the early 1990s - he's an Air Force cop - I've been there. Though not in the last 2 years . . .

Are you coming TDY or being transferred . . . if transferred let me know. I might come up to visit . . . I need to pull the camper up that way anyhow . . .
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Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:01 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 48):
They'll have to 4 lane it eventually

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If they actually build this thing, they damn well better get it right the first time. Building a two-lane bridge across Knik Arm would be a complete waste of money. One accident and that thing is shut down.
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RE: Your Thoughts On AK Senator Stevens

Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:57 pm

Quoting Chugach (Reply 38):
Chugach National Forest

Now that was a typo!!!

Quoting Chugach (Reply 48):
One accident and that thing is shut down.

But at least then you would be able to take the current highway, so you have an option, which we don't have now.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 47):
That's the damn truth . . . that roundabout at Dowling and the New Seward is simply too damn small . . . only benefit is that no big trucks will go there . . . they refuse.

Now, there's going to be a new roudnabout at Minnesota and C . . . built much larger to accomodate the large trucks. Still roundabouts suck. People in Alaska do NOT know how to use them.

Piece of Euro-trash engineering. I wonder what the actual traffic numbers for Dowling and Lake-otis/Old Seward are compared to Tudor, because you know that everybody is avoiding that intersection. Which of course the state uses to justify the easing of traffic.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 47):
They'll have to 4 lane it eventually

Probably likely.

Quoting MattCLE (Reply 45):
I'm going there in June.

It's warmer then in June.

Pretty decent old airplane collection at Alaskaland....oops Pioneer Park at Fairbanks.
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