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Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:14 am

What do you think, shall motorways like the US Interstates, the Autobahn and so on, have speed limits or not?

I am very thankful that Germany has no speed limits. In urban areas where it is needed, we have limits, but other than that, we have no limits. So when there is no traffic, you can easily drive faster than 200 km/h (more than 130 mph).

I think having no speed limit forces people to be more alert, thus driving better.

So, should your country have speed limits or not?

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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 6:43 am

I think like you say, yeh in rural areas of course but on motorways, no way simply because people are more worried looking out for cops and maybe camera's they dont concentrate as much on driving sensibly!

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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:15 am

Lets keep in mind highways or interstates over here (North America) are designed for certain maximum speeds....to keep in line with certain radius for directional change and line of sight maximum/minimums. So, over here we need limits.

I'm almost certain that the highways in Ontario are designed for 120 km/h. So this is why we have a 100 km/h limit. I guess they take into account a 20% safety factor?.

In Saskatchewan, i'm all for a no-limit limit  Wink

I've been to Germany and love the "open" autobahns, but i think in some instances we need limits and these limits should be enforced because many out there can't drive .....period !!  Wink
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:19 am

The speed limit on the Ontario highways is 100km/h but people (including me and my dad) usually drive 120-125km/h if clear. We even did 145km/h for a few seconds last week.
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting YooYoo (Reply 2):

I know many people can't drive, but this is where I think having no limit helps... People who can't drive stay on the right  Wink

About the design speed, I think it is true that the USA and Canada, as much bigger countries than Germany, certainly cannot spend as much money on every mile of the road network than European country, so that it is not possible to design a road with a higher design speed, which, of course, is more expensive.

But most Autobahnen in Germany also have a design speed of around 120-130 km/h, it is just legal to drive faster...
I think having a higher limit encourages the state to design better, and thus safer roads. I understand this is difficult in large countries, but it gets visible in Denmark: They increased the limit to 130km/h, but parts of their road network is not designed for that, so the limit is 110. I feel safer on the stretches which are designed for 130, because the bridges aren't so narrow.
 
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:37 am

Uk motorways are clearly designed for much faster speeds than the "official" 70mph limit and the majority of drivers seem to drive as fast as conditions allow which is usually between 80 and 100mph. It would also seem that in most place on the m-way network the police will turn a blind eye to anything other than reckless speeding.
 
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:47 am

If a speed limit is set correctly I don't mind it, its the assholes that enforce it.
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:35 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 4):
People who can't drive stay on the rig

"Rechts so"...does not fly over here !!  Wink I wish it did.
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:41 am

I think the traffic on 90% of interstate highways prevents speeds in excess of 85-90 MPH on a long term basis.

I used to drive from Nashville to Johnson City (about 300 miles) twice a week and I averaged about 80-85 MPH on the interstate. Anything higher than that is more work than gain because of the traffic and road design.
 
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:53 am

You have to have reasonable speed limits on divided, limited access roads (like USA Interstates) for several reasons. You have a variety of traffic from microcars to big trucks to high performace cars and safe max speeds they can be driven safely at. Vehicles can be in varying conditions or have tires or brakes not designed for sustained high speed driving. You have a wide variety of drivers in experience or ability with some who can safely drive up to 65 and a very few who can drive at 120. You also cannot have differences in speeds like 90 vs. 60 MPH as that causes very hazardous conditions. Besides, if you didn't have speed limits, how could many states and local towns make any money via speeding tickets  biggrin 
 
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:32 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 9):
You also cannot have differences in speeds like 90 vs. 60 MPH as that causes very hazardous conditions.

Heh, around Boston there is always a difference in speeds from 85 or so down to 55 or so, even with quite a bit of traffic on the highways (and even in areas where the speed limit is 55). People are usually pretty good about not hogging the left lane at lower speeds (especially compared to Los Angeles, where people don't have a freakin clue how to drive).

I probably wouldn't drive faster than around 90 mph even if there were no speed limits; as stated, you'd be pushing the design speeds of the highways. That said, if would be nice on some long, straight stretches of highway (like driving out in the desert between Los Angeles and Phoenix), where you could easily drive over 100 mph.

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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:44 pm

There are certain parts around here in Norcal where it's 65-70max but the rest is 80-95 as the flow. I think new drivers should slowly adjust to the consistant speed increases but I know for a fact that on CA-24 near my home a CHP officer won't pull anyone over if they pass him going 75-80. The fastest I have ever passed a cop was on the on-ramp near my home at 86 and he just waved as I peed my pants.

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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:47 pm

I really like states where the speed limit is 75 on the interstates. I really really do!

Of course, states like Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, etc. etc.....the speed limit should well above that. Oy.
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 1:54 pm

They should have speed limits that aren't for 1960s era cars. Additionally, as long as you're driving safely a cop shouldn't care if you're speeding. For example, it's 3AM.. nobody is one the road, who cares if you do 75?

Oh and one more thing, I'm sick of city cops on state highways. If they wanna get rich off state property they should have to plow it in the winter and fill potholes in the summer.
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:22 pm

The speed limit here is 120km/h but I usually cruise at between 140 and 160 depending on the traffic and weather. The motorways here are pretty good and higher speeds are not dangerous from a road point of view, the other traffic is the problem.
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:45 pm

The speed limit in Switzerland is 120km/h, but I usually drive about 145 - just about what you can still pay a fine for (around $200) if they catch you. Everything above that (or above 150, I don't remember) could mean a license suspension, which I really don't need.

Unlimited speeds in Switzerland wouldn't be sensible IMHO, there aren't enough highways in this small country where the road topology (turns, mountains, width) would allow you to go faster than 160 or so safely anyway.

Funny story: my boss is getting a license suspension of 1 month because they caught him driving 114 km/h on an 80 km/h road (not a highway) - in the company's Smart car! He was driving 200+ km/h all the time with his $160K Mercedes CL55AMG and they *never* caught him. Now that's bad luck Big grin

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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:45 pm

Quoting YooYoo (Reply 2):

In Saskatchewan, i'm all for a no-limit limit

Does anyone actually live in Saskatchewan?  Wink

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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:25 pm

No motorways - no problem - no speed limit! Big grin

There are no motorways on the Isle of Man. The speed limit is basically as fast as you like on certain roads, although there is a move afoot to introduce an island wide limit - 50mph I think.

Some drivers take this literally and unfortunately seem to forget that there are things called bends! Big grin

However, I think a speed restriction in areas that have heavy traffic is a good idea. Open roads in rural areas should be limitless (motorways that is, not country lanes!)

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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 3:47 pm

Until people learn lane discipline there is no point in having un-restricted speeds because too many people will be in the wrong lane. If someone is going significantly faster in the outside lane than the person plodding along in front there is the potential for an accident. In Germany, people automatically move over after they have overtaken. You don't find that in the UK and in the US people drive in whatever lane they feel like.
 
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:37 pm

Quoting Saintsman (Reply 18):
In Germany, people automatically move over after they have overtaken. You don't find that in the UK and in the US people drive in whatever lane they feel like.

That is the whole point. In Germany we have a strict rule which says that you MUST drive on the right unless you overtake (Rechtsfahrgebot), and passing on the right side is strictly forbidden.

This is my whole point. People in Germany are used to the high speed and drive different. That does not mean they drive better, in fact there are no other roads where the driving style is so aggressive (many hate that, I must admit it is somewhat cool). Yet the system works.
 
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 7:46 pm

In urban areas, I'm definitely in favor of speedlimits, though except in tunnels and on very curvy roads, everything under 100km/h is annoying. Particularly when it is because of "noise protection"  Yeah sure , but that's anoher story. Outside of urban areas, not having speed limits is the way to go IMHO. Nothing better than getting from Hamburg to Hanover in 30 minutes  Wink . In fact, I think there are too many areas where the speed limit could be lifted easily, e.g. the A24 Hamburg-Berlin. Most of the parts near Hamburg are 100km/h, despite there being relatively few traffic, and an Autobahn in excellent condition.
 
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:14 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 20):
Most of the parts near Hamburg are 100km/h, despite there being relatively few traffic, and an Autobahn in excellent condition.

One guy from Hamburg sued the authorities because of the speed limits, maybe Germany is the only country in the world where you can sue your state because of speed limits...

He lost, but the case went up to the highest court, and the court ruled that general speed limits on the Autobahn are illegal, there must be important reasons for them, such as lots of accidents on the limited part, road quality, extreme noise issues (a general speed limit because of noise is illegal!) compared to the rest. If other measures which are less limiting promise the same result (like forbidding trucks to overtake), those must be chosen instead.

In Hamburg, the authorities could argument that there were enough reasons for speed limits, because there was lots of traffic, especially when there were holidays. Since people came from many countries (Scandinavia, Germany), holiday periods were different from country to country, so setting a general limit was found to be less confusing than setting a flexible limit.

The courts really wrote several pages analysing why the speed limit was justified.

So everytime you see a speed limit you think is rediculous, you might be able to sue the government! There are examples where speed limits were removed after it was proven that they were not effective.

The homepage of the guy who complained, including the judgements:

http://www.fuhse.de/fuhse/haupt/infos/tempo.htm
 
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:54 pm

we have speed limits in america because there are too many idiots on the road... let's face it, there's always some 16 year old kid with mommy and daddy's car trying to go above 100mph the day he gets his license. he is nowhere near experienced enough to be traveling at those speed. then on the same road there's a 65 year old lady driving below the speed limit because she gets scared from everyone else flying past her.

i personally don't mind the speed limits (better gas milage  Big grin ) but it would be nice to go on a deserted road and cruise every once in a while. we need a road designed like the autobahn that stretches the whole country.
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 8:56 pm

What they need to do in the UK is:

- Have a seperate motorway driving test
- Increase the limit to about 100
- Ban lorries  Wink

Most of the bad motorway manners are down to not being taught in the first place - you're not allowed on the motorway when you're a learner.
 
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:57 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Thread starter):
I think having no speed limit forces people to be more alert, thus driving better.

Interesting way to put it. You should be a politician or part of the Autofahrer lobby  Wink

Personally, I am all for a limit. You can discuss about the cap though. Even sth like 160 would at least stop the craziest people (I am with YooYoo:

Quoting YooYoo (Reply 2):
I've been to Germany and love the "open" autobahns, but i think in some instances we need limits and these limits should be enforced because many out there can't drive .....period !!

Too many people can't drive properly, they are irresponsible and endanger the lives of others. Relaxed driving can be so nice, sth like 130 would be great in my eyes. And when there is heavy traffic, an overall 130 gives a better flow

Quoting Skidmarks (Reply 17):
There are no motorways on the Isle of Man. The speed limit is basically as fast as you like on certain roads, although there is a move afoot to introduce an island wide limit - 50mph I think.

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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 9:58 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 21):

I'm all for expressing ones opinion and demanding right, but suing the government? Ridiculoud, IMHO. Better gather some support, and try reach a consens on a speed limit. Though I admit, sometimes I DO wish I could sue somebody over the laughable 80 speed limit on the A24 in Hamburg  Wink .
 
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:11 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 25):
Though I admit, sometimes I DO wish I could sue somebody over the laughable 80 speed limit on the A24 in Hamburg

Agreed on your input (this is so German) - and I wish I could sue those who go with 70 KM/h on the left track and don't yield the way (grandmama generation) Big grin
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:57 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 26):
and I wish I could sue those who go with 70 KM/h on the left track and don't yield the way (grandmama generation) Big grin

Staying in the left lane, the other way around, I wish I could sue those idiots that tailgate at 150 km/h  Wink .
 
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:04 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 24):
moreover, you as a driver.. no way

Die, son of Satan!!!!!!!!!  devil 

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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:03 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 27):
Staying in the left lane, the other way around, I wish I could sue those idiots that tailgate at 150 km/h



Quoting Mrniji (Reply 26):
Agreed on your input (this is so German) - and I wish I could sue those who go with 70 KM/h on the left track and don't yield the way (grandmama generation) Big grin

Well, since we are a nation of cholerics, we could do that. Both can, in fact, be reported to the police, because both behaviours are illegal and could even be criminal offenses  Wink

But one could be peaceful... "Seid nett zueinander"...
 
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:14 am

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 29):
But one could be peaceful... "Seid nett zueinander"...

I've learned to ignore that sentence ever since I went to the Ruetli-Schule  duck .
 
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 30):

I knew it, u drive a Drrreeierr BeämWäh?
 
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RE: Speedlimit On Motorways, Yes Or No?

Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:36 am

No digga', I don't even have a fett-krass-konkrett Handy, ey  Silly .

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