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Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:39 am

Is the slogan "More popular than Nixon was!" viable?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060407/...;_ylu=X3oDMTA3ODdxdHBhBHNlYwM5NjQ-

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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:06 am

Great, except where are we going to pick up seats in the House? Here in Texas, Democrats will gain at least 2 and up to 4 seats. I cannot see any in California being turned, Bernie Sanders (Socialist-VT) is leaving the House to run for Senate, and there just are not a whole lot of races out there where Democrats hold a strong advantage.

In the Senate, the Dems look to be able to hold onto seats in MN and MD, while possibly taking TN away from the GOP, and Sanders winning easily in VT. That completes the seats where incumbents are retiring.

Places where incumbents are in trouble, we might lose FL and NJ, we should take MT from Conrad Burns, Bob Casey should beat Santorum in PA, OH may possibly go to the Dems but is likely to remain GOP, RI will be interesting.

The only other seat that MIGHT, and it is a big might, switch hands is Kay Bay's seat here in Texas. Barbara Ann Radnofsky has a lot of support, a good amount of cash, and is highly respected. Kay Bay pledged she would retire after two terms, but decided now that her pledge means nothing and will run again. The Dems here in Texas don't like her, but if you were to put her up against any Republican in the nation down here, she would wallop them. Many Republicans down here think she walks on water, so Radnofsky is counting on either a) a slightly lower voter turnout; or b) a huge voter turnout where Kinky Friedman is elected governor, the Republican party is split, and Radnofsky wins the Senate race by 6 points.

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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 3:40 am

:Yawn:

If the polls were right, then John Kerry should be President right now.

Please wake me up when the only poll that matters is taken in November.
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:25 am

Quoting B757300 (Reply 2):
If the polls were right, then John Kerry should be President right now.

Attaboy!

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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:04 am

I dont see much on the horizon to bring these numbers back up. Iraq is getting worse daily, immigration is on hold for now, the rest of the world hates this administration, media leaks...the dems need to get thier act together here before the summer come up with a plan and make some headway toward gaining more seats.
 
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:24 am

It begs the question: The GOP is just now getting concerned . . . WTF?
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:48 am

Look, the problem is in the context.

Say here in California, Arnold was getting slammed back and forth and his poll numbers were way down. But guess what? He had the highest approval rating as compared to the legislature. He was the politician with the highest approval rating in California at the time, IIRC, that is still the case.

That is part of the problem with the polls, which is a lack of comparison. Bush alone has a low approval rating. Compare Bush to any other politician in a poll and he probably will have a higher approval rating than the politician. That is part of the problem with the Democratic party. After all, they are fighting against a man who will never run for office again.
 
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:48 am

Has anyone seen that question session in which Bush got smoked by this old folk about issues surrounding wire-taping, war causes, etc.? Quite a heated discussion if you ask me!

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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:07 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 6):
Compare Bush to any other politician in a poll and he probably will have a higher approval rating than the politician.

Just for fun, I looked up a few other noteworthy world leaders for thier poll numbers. I think youll find your ideas to be a bit wrong. Now I am not one to take a whole lot from polls and I am just doing a google search, I do not vouch for the legitimacy of the media sources as I dont know them.

Hugo Chavez-%82
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1934
Tony Blair-lowly %30
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/inde...m/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/11460
John Howard-%49
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/inde...m/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/11478
Vicente Fox-%63
http://www.angus-reid.com/analysis/i...m/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/11260

I question the Chavez number but am not surprised at the rest of them. Blair isnt popular right now, Bush is in the same boat it seems.
 
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 8):
Hugo Chavez-%82

I can't believe you included this number!  rotfl  No possibility that Chavez was the only one polled, eh?

At least the other numbers are believeable.
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 10:15 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):

I knew as soon as I wrote it in that someone would say something. But the pole was published april 4, so I went with the most recent. Maybe if Bush embraced Cindy Sheehan like Chvez did his poll numbers would be better.
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:16 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 4):
Iraq is getting worse daily,

If it was "getting worse daily" as I have seen just about everyday in one thread or another the U.S. troops would be dying by the thousands every week. Instead, we just went through one of the lowest casualty periods in over a year. I keep seeing op eds about how Iraq is disintegrating into civil war yet every poll that comes out of Iraq shows the Iraqi people are still optimistic that things are getting better and will continue to do so. Makes you wonder what would have happened and what would be said if the battle of Antietam or Gettysburg was fought today with those same kinds of casualty figures. With todays media in place, the Confederate States of America would be a reality.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 4):
the rest of the world hates this administration,

I can pretty much guarantee you that the ordinary U.S. voter couldn't give a flying flip what the rest of the world thinks of us.

Unless something very terrible happens in the next few months, the democrats will take control of the House and Senate. All signs point to a public being ready to make a change and let another party have a shot at running things. That the government will grind to a halt as one investigation after another is initiated looking for solid grounds to impeach the President is of no concern to them.
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:42 am

Quoting Texan (Reply 1):
a huge voter turnout where Kinky Friedman is elected governor

It's off topic, but I'd like to know if Mr. Friedman is really that competitive. I'm sure he will get healthy numbers, but I wonde if those would be enought to defeat the GOP in Texas.

It'll be an interesting race to follow.
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:48 am

"The good news is Democrats don't have much of a plan. The bad news is they may not need one."

Agreed. The Democrats couldn't ask for a better opportunity to capitalize on, and they've got nothing.
 
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 13):
The Democrats couldn't ask for a better opportunity to capitalize on, and they've got nothing.

No matter which side of the isle you come down on, this has got to be one of the truest statements out there. Right now its their game to lose, and yet they can't seem to figure out what sport their playing, let alone field a team.

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 11):
Instead, we just went through one of the lowest casualty periods in over a year.

Without beating a long dead horse, there is a lot more to this war than American lives. Thank god we've reduced that casualty rate, but the Iraqi civilian casualty rate in the meantime has skyrocketed. I won't claim to know if its better or worse over there, you can find snippets of information to back either view up, but when 70+ Iraqi casualties a day is an 'average' day, something, as they say in Texas, "just aint right".
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:21 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 13):
Agreed. The Democrats couldn't ask for a better opportunity to capitalize on, and they've got nothing.

Which should really scare the shit out of every single American.

The Republicans are - apparently - screwing up by the numbers . . . indictments, hearings, discontent within the ranks, yadda, yadda . . .

And the Democrats have no plan . . . haven't had a plan . . .

Holy non-starter!!!

One major party is screwed into the ground, the other is a pilotless ship.

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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 12:24 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15):
Which should really scare the shit out of every single American.

The Republicans are - apparently - screwing up by the numbers . . . indictments, hearings, discontent within the ranks, yadda, yadda . . .

And the Democrats have no plan . . . haven't had a plan . . .

Holy non-starter!!!

One major party is screwed into the ground, the other is a pilotless ship.

This certainly enforces my viewpoint that we need another player in the American political system. Not only is the two party system inadequate in terms of representing the American public, it's potentially dangerous in the event that neither party has it's shit together.
 
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:04 pm

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 14):
but when 70+ Iraqi casualties a day is an 'average' day, something, as they say in Texas, "just aint right".

As opposed to our civil war where on several days during that conflict you had 5, 9, or 11 thousand dead? It's a shame that anyone is dying but you have to admit, it's pretty low order compared to other civil wars. Heck, 500 to 800k Tutsi citizens were wiped out in a couple of months in 1994. How many Cambodians were slaughtered during Khemer Rouge reign of terror? I'm not trying to justify it, no amount of killing is right, but compared to some other conflicts it's body count is still rather low. Let's hope it only gets lower but yes, something is not right in Red Rock.
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:08 pm

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 17):
As opposed to our civil war where on several days during that conflict you had 5, 9, or 11 thousand dead? It's a shame that anyone is dying but you have to admit, it's pretty low order compared to other civil wars. Heck, 500 to 800k Tutsi citizens were wiped out in a couple of months in 1994. How many Cambodians were slaughtered during Khemer Rouge reign of terror? I'm not trying to justify it, no amount of killing is right, but compared to some other conflicts it's body count is still rather low. Let's hope it only gets lower but yes, something is not right in Red Rock.

Very good point, but those of us that are concerned about civil war in Iraq would say that this is only the begining. I highly doubt we'll see casualty rates at levels anywhere near the ones you mentioned simply because the strategy of warfare being implemented is markedly different. That said, the implications of an Iraqi civil war are just as dramatic as the implications of the American Civil War with respect to the effects it would have on the future of the country, regardless of total casualties.
 
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:22 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
It begs the question: The GOP is just now getting concerned . . . WTF?

I'm seeing a lot less "Bush/Cheney '04" stickers on cars out and about these days. Wink.
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:44 pm

So what happened to that "Political Capital" Bush supposedly gained in the '04 election?

Quote:
"Let me put it to you this way: I earned capital in the campaign, political capital, and now I intend to spend it. It is my style." and "I've got will of the people"

Would that have been spent a long time ago?

Poor guy acted like he won by a landslide when in fact it was by a rats hair.
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:20 pm

Quoting B757300 (Reply 2):
:Yawn:

If the polls were right, then John Kerry should be President right now.

Please wake me up when the only poll that matters is taken in November.

Incorrect, as you usually are. The national polls leading up to the 2004 election consistantly had Bush ahead by 3% and that turned out to be pretty accurate.
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:31 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
I can't believe you included this number! rotfl No possibility that Chavez was the only one polled, eh?

At least the other numbers are believeable.

I thought the number of poor people outnumbered middle class and wealthy in Venezuela by a large margin, so it seems possible to me. Most of the pro-Chavez folks probably don't have a computer or can write in English, so it wouldn't surprise me if nearly everyone who posts here is anti-Chavez.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 10):
Maybe if Bush embraced Cindy Sheehan like Chvez did his poll numbers would be better.

At first I laughed my ass off. Then I wondered if maybe, just maybe, you're right.

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 12):
I'm sure he will get healthy numbers, but I wonde if those would be enought to defeat the GOP in Texas.

The GOP is golden here in Texas. All they have to do is talk about their relationship with God, their desire to cut taxes and their support for protecting the apparently fragile concept of marriage. As long as they cover those bases and have a few other canned phrases that sound good they're almost assured of victory in my view.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 15):
One major party is screwed into the ground, the other is a pilotless ship.

The Republicans are the folks in charge. If the country is screwed up right now, it's on their watch. I'm still waiting for the day when you're able to bash the Republicans without having to attach some derogatory comment about the Democrats in the same post.


Quoting STLGph (Reply 19):

I'm seeing a lot less "Bush/Cheney '04" stickers on cars out and about these days. Wink.

I'm glad you added a *wink* at the end because here in Texas they're still on zillions of trucks and SUV's.
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sat Apr 08, 2006 11:46 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 13):
The Democrats couldn't ask for a better opportunity to capitalize on, and they've got nothing.

Could someone elucidate the Republican's "plan" other than running around saying the Democrats have no plan?
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:07 am

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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sun Apr 09, 2006 2:42 am

Quoting STLGph (Reply 19):
I'm seeing a lot less "Bush/Cheney '04" stickers on cars out and about these days. Wink.

You can't seriously expect someone to want to lease a Benz, BMW, or Volvo for more than two years can you?  wink 
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:18 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 18):
but those of us that are concerned about civil war in Iraq would say that this is only the begining

Be careful what you wish for, it may come true. With all the news coming out about a 'possible' civil war, and people having such fears, the 'insurgents' can feel pretty heartened about their chance for success.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 20):
Poor guy acted like he won by a landslide when in fact it was by a rats hair.

FYI, Clinton never received the majority of the presidential vote, Bush did in 2004.
 
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:57 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 26):
FYI, Clinton never received the majority of the presidential vote, Bush did in 2004.

Yes, that is true...but Clinton didn't go off spouting that his election win was clear validation of his agenda now did he?

FYI, Clinton's wins with 43% and 49% of the popular vote in '92 and '96 came in elections with 3 candidates. Bush I and Dole received 37% and 40% respectively.

Clinton won with advantages of 8 million and 5 million votes.

Bush's claim that his agenda was validated by the American people came with 50% of the popular vote to Kerry's 48%. A margin of just 3 million votes, or roughly the population of Iowa. The thinnest margin since 1976 when Carter defeated Ford with just over 1 million votes.

Where Bush got this idea that the country was firmly behind him in every thing he did, will possibly go down in history as one of the biggest political blunders of all time....It is painfully obvious that the American people are dissatisfied with the direction their country is headed.
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:09 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 25):
You can't seriously expect someone to want to lease a Benz, BMW, or Volvo for more than two years can you? wink

Sorry, but rarely do/did I ever see those stickers on those makes or types of cars. They're mostly on American SUV's and older cars...and then much older crappier cars, too.

Unfortunately, I did come out of Neiman Marcus the other day and saw *FOUR* Kerry/Edwards stickers still flying high on some ghastly imported European models of cars on the way to my ghastly imported Japan model.
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:17 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 23):
Could someone elucidate the Republican's "plan" other than running around saying the Democrats have no plan?

A valid point, but if nothing else, sheer inertia usually works to the benefit of the incumbent party, so 'a plan' isn't nearly as critical for them. But, right now the Dems have the most need and the most opportunity, and they just can't seem to get it in gear. You know my feelings on Bush and the current Admin, and I see an opportunity to make some positive changes being squandered.
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:32 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 29):
'a plan' isn't nearly as critical for them

Mmm, yes, I figured that might be the reason no one's offered up anything yet.
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:41 am

Quoting Stirling (Reply 27):
Yes, that is true...but Clinton didn't go off spouting that his election win was clear validation of his agenda now did he?

You must be kidding. They did nothing but spout that the election was all about a change in direction. That the past 12 years of Reagan/Bush was nothing but a nightmare and they were going to fix that. If you don't remember any of that then it must be Stirling Van Winkel.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 28):
Sorry,

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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:20 am

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 11):
If it was "getting worse daily" as I have seen just about everyday in one thread or another the U.S. troops would be dying by the thousands every week.

Its the nearly a thousand Iraqis dying weekly that bothers me, It is the lack of action by thier government, the lack of basic utilities, there is more to this war than dead americans.

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 11):
Makes you wonder what would have happened and what would be said if the battle of Antietam or Gettysburg was fought today with those same kinds of casualty figures. With todays media in place, the Confederate States of America would be a reality.

Thankfully the Generals have came up with better tactics and equipment than one having to see the horrors of the Civil War or WWI. I am actually surprised about the death count being as low as it is, because anyone who follows the war hears about every US death instead of 10-15 here or there like in vietnam so I would have thought more. Also one should take into account new advances in body armor and first aid that has improved greatly in recent years. I would venture to say of the 15000 wounded, at least a third of those wounded would have died in previous wars due to modern equipment.

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 11):
I can pretty much guarantee you that the ordinary U.S. voter couldn't give a flying flip what the rest of the world thinks of us.

This is something that bothers me about my fellow americans. Many of us have an attention span shorter than our cell phone musical ring tones. We do not spend enough time learning about the rest of the world. We live in a global community, time to start thinking like it. Because there will be plenty of people surprised when we no longer are the super power we are today.
 
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 26):
Be careful what you wish for, it may come true. With all the news coming out about a 'possible' civil war, and people having such fears, the 'insurgents' can feel pretty heartened about their chance for success.

Ummm...I don't recall saying anything to suggest that I'm "wishing" for it, but I've certainly thought it to be inevitable for quite some time.
 
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:41 am

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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:49 am

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 10):
Maybe if Bush embraced Cindy Sheehan like Chvez did his poll numbers would be better.

Maybe if Bush had Sheehan bent over while screaming, "Who's your daddy", he'd be elected a 3rd term???
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RE: Poll: Bush, GOP "troubled"

Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:51 pm

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 11):
I can pretty much guarantee you that the ordinary U.S. voter couldn't give a flying flip what the rest of the world thinks of us.

This would be fine if the US wasn't getting involved in iternational affairs. Theres more to being a superpower then just your own domestic vote. How may US voters thought that the Iraq war was about terrorism? I can't recall the exact % but after the Korean flight was shot down by the USSR in the early 80's it was something like 80% of US voters thought that Reagan should nuke the USSR. In short the US voters should bloody give a flying flip about the rest of the world.
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