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Who's Been Skydiving?

Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:36 pm

So, I took the plunge when I was at the LAS Meet a few weeks ago. I'm curious, who else here has been skydiving? If so, give us a quick recap of your experience(s). I've only been once, jumping from a Cessna Turbo 207 at 15,000 feet, with a tandem instructor strapped to my back. What were the pro's/con's of your experience? Would you do it again?

I had a blast and am thinking about taking my younger brother for his 21st birthday in June. Certainly an experience he won't soon forget. What're your thoughts? (Plane pictured below that took off from Jean, NV and I jumped somewhere near Primm, NV [somewhere near the CA/NV line])

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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sat Apr 08, 2006 4:37 pm

OK.. the picture got cropped by a.net.. sorry! If anyone wants the full picture with registry and all, let me know... I'm not sure why it got cut off...
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:31 pm



Here I am over Germany, second from the right!

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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:52 pm

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):

 no  no  no  no 

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Quoting Myt332 (Reply 2):
Here I am over Germany, second from the right!

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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:01 pm

DL021 was a paratrooper in the military. He has done some cool jumps.
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:12 pm

Yes, ive jumped from -4metres!!



Although when i was on that i didnt have the little guy holding me and i went higher than this person
If that counts!! i hope to do a real skydive when im old enough to do a tandem!


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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:01 pm

I did a jump in Dec. '04 from a height of 13,500'. I have the DVD somewhere. "What a rush" is really all I can say about it.
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:18 pm

Quite a few of the pre-owned sailplanes I've been looking at come with the optional parachutes—not that their designs are inherantly unsafe—so I figure that I should probably put in a dive or two before commiting to one with those items.

Of course, I could also use the tried and true 1, 2, 3, pull method, but that won't help me with the landing.
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:51 am

I have done some 6/7 AFFs, Accelerated Free Falls (without anybody strapped to you). Not many places here offered first time AFFs but since that's what I wanted to do at all costs, I found one in the area (almost a 100 miles away) but it took about a month to find a day with good enough weather for it. It was spring and you need near clam winds (with no gusts over certain limit I don't remember), more than once I had to come back almost from the stairs of the ac (a Twin Otter) just because there was one lousy gust! They were only open on the weekends so it took me a while. Two guys jump with you holding on to your arms and legs as in the picture above, you are alone once you pull. A rough estimate $ of my first jump if I include the fuel of my car was probably over 500 bucks.

AND BOY WAS IT ALL WORTH IT!!!!!!! 

I count them among the best moments of my life, more so because I so much wanted to do it JUST for the sake of doing it, its been more than 2 years and NONE of my family or friends know about it. Its probably the first time I've mentioned it here too, I guess when I get my A license (not the top priority right now), I'll break it down to everyone. And no I didn't have my video or pictures taken and I have no regrets what so ever.

The memory of my first jump includes a lot of frustration due to the delays but I will never forget the day I did it, the weather was almost not a factor (comparatively) for the rest of my jumps, I never planned to do more than one but I just got hooked. Now I plan to get at least the A license as soon as I complete my CPL. With the exception of my first jump, I was able to land on my feet on all the rest and there was one jump probably the second one in which I landed about 500 meters away from the mark.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 7):
but that won't help me with the landing.

I may not be the expert but virtually ALL instructors I spoke with said that accidents don't occur because canopies don't open, they happen on landing.

Congratulations Pal!! Its a unbelievable experience that just cannot be explained in words. I was amazed at how different it felt from what I imagined it would feel like. In my case I was amazed that I wasn't scared the slightest bit once the door opened.

Best Regards,
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 1:59 am

I've got about 1300 jumps and have non current Static Line and Tandem Instructor ratings and am also a Senior Rigger for Back type parachutes. I've been out of it for a few years due to work and an injury but plan to start back jumping in the next few months.

Here's some of the more memorable things I've done:

1. Made jumps on three different continents - great way to meet locals in other countries and states when you are traveling!
2. Taken about 500 people up for their first jumps - pretty amazing to see the way different people react. Surprisingly very few react with terror(not counting the climbout from the a/c - this is tough for most the first few times). The craziest one was a girl who had an orgasm when the parachute opened on a tandem - very embarrassed young lady!
3. One "Mr. Bill" jump - This is where one jumper, the "Bill" holds on tightly to the second's harness while the second opens his parachute. After flying around like this for a while, the Bill let's go does a second freefall and opens. It's a lot harder than it sounds but a lot of fun.
4. Jumps from as high as 21000 ft and as low as 2000 ft.
5. Landings in interesting and fun places - some intentional others due to bad spots or stronger than anticipated winds, i.e. beaches(Florabama is best, free beer for jumpers!), sand bar in the middle of a river, large field next to a very large bull with a very bright 425 sq. ft. pink parachute(luckily my tandem passenger knew a lot more than I did about dealing with bulls), night demo into a soccer stadium in GYE for the opening night of the pro season, fields full of high cotton(hot tip, forget the wind and land parallel to the rows that stuff is sharp!), about ten feet from the Goodyear blimp as it was tethered in our normal landing field(they were really pissed off but the tandem passenger's boyfriend got a great picture of her landing with the blimp in the background), etc.
6. All the excitement of breaking in more than a few new jump pilots. More than once I've been out on the step that we replace the wheel fairing with when a noobie pilot has stalled the hell out of a 182. It's definitely a wild ride!
7. Great way to get rides in all sorts of airplanes, off the top of my head, I've jumped the following: C-172, 180, 182, 185, 195, 206, and 207, Beech D-18, Twin-Bo, Queen Air, and King Air(90 & 100), DeHaviland Beaver & Twotter, GAF Nomad, Douglas DC-3/C-47, Helio HST-550, Shorts SkyVan(not my favorite, they stall horribly if the CG goes too far aft), and CASA 235.
8. If you thought the A380 evac test was impressive you should see a group of skydivers getting out of the a/c. For large formation jumps it's typically 1.5-2.5 seconds to get 20-40 people out a single door! Of course we'll usually cheat a bit by putting a few outside the door hanging on to the outside of the plane at first. The best for this is the HST-550 or a C-47 - you can easily get 8 outside with either. Obviously tailgate a/c are not as big of a challenge although some(Skyvan as mentioned above have their own little quirks).

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
I've only been once, jumping from a Cessna Turbo 207 at 15,000 feet, with a tandem instructor strapped to my back.

How long were you in the plane? 206/207 are true climbing pigs in most cases and that's a pretty tall fall.
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:46 am

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 9):
How long were you in the plane?

It was a good fifteen or twenty minutes. We had to circle a bit because ATC put us on hold for a little while. Even after the first guy jumped (I was # 2), they put us back on hold and I had to wait another 3-4 minutes.

Thanks a lot for your response! You've got some pretty great info! Really impressed by your experiences!  Smile
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:50 am

I think I've got the photos figured out...

http://cc.usu.edu/~stephenh/LASMeet/LAS16.jpg

Down in Jean, Nevada; about 25 miles south of Vegas. After I'd
already removed my harnass after plummeting 15,000 feet out of the sky!
One of the best experiences of my life!



http://cc.usu.edu/~stephenh/LASMeet/LAS17.jpg

N9962M, my one-way chariot into the great blue sky. (Note: Not in
the a.net photo database! Upon a little googling, it turns up as a
Cessena Turbo 207, manufactured in 1983 and currently registered to
Vegas Extreme Skydiving Inc.)



http://cc.usu.edu/~stephenh/LASMeet/LAS18.jpg

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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 3:53 am

I have 4 jumps in Eloy, Arizona. They use twin otters and have hosted the world championships quite a few times. They had something like 15 years with no deaths and then one day about 5 years ago they had 2 in the same day from seperate incidents.

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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:12 am

I've lived a mile from Skydive Twin Cities since 1979, yet I haven't had the guts to try it.


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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 5:46 am

Have I jumped; Yes
Where; Brisbane Australia, landed on Kings Beach
Would I do it again; at the time I said no, however Im more confident, 14,000..........in the dark!!!, yeehaaa

When we first saw it advertised, I said only an idiot would do something like that...............................maybe thats saying something about me he he he he!
 
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:47 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 10):
It was a good fifteen or twenty minutes. We had to circle a bit because ATC put us on hold for a little while. Even after the first guy jumped (I was # 2), they put us back on hold and I had to wait another 3-4 minutes.

Must be a turbine conversion bird that's pretty good. My favorite jump plane is a B-90 a friend of mine outside of MEM owns. He's done a few mods and can put 14 jumpers to 15k in 7 minutes in the dead of summer!



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 12):
I have 4 jumps in Eloy, Arizona. They use twin otters

They used to also have a DC-3, B-18, Skyvan, and the obligatory Cessna or three. What you see on any given day is hit or miss though as Larry has a very large fleet and provides aircraft with pilots, maintenance, etc. for many DZs and events all over the country. Back when DC-3s were still popular he did a lot of business doing heavy maintenance and engine overhauls.

Quoting Leigh pilgrim (Reply 14):
Where; Brisbane Australia, landed on Kings Beach

Years ago I spent a few weeks in Caboolture and tried to jump there as there was a DZ advertised for the airport only a few blocks from the plant I was working in. Unfortunately they were flaky at best and couldn't make anything happen. The next week though I hit Picton outside Sydney and it was awesome! Very friendly and the best view ever. It's about 50 miles outside Sydney but this was a very clear day and the entire harbor including Opera House and bridge were clearly visible from freefall.

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 8):
I may not be the expert but virtually ALL instructors I spoke with said that accidents don't occur because canopies don't open, they happen on landing.

By definition, you'll get hurt on landing except in rare cases, i.e. hor. stabilizer hit or mid-air collision. You'll find that skydivers tend to have rather sick senses of humor. That said, controlled(word used loosely in some cases) landings are the source of the majority of injuries and fatalities these days. The numbers of people being killed by malfunctions has dropped a lot due to various improvements in gear, particularly the widespread use of automatic reserve opening backup devices. At the same time, the number of people killed during landing has increased horribly due to wide use of very small, very fast parachutes. They're fun but unforgiving. I personally favor more conservative larger canopies.  old 
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:57 am

Damn steve, I kinda wish i'd joined you on that trip now Big grin


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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:44 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 16):
Damn steve, I kinda wish i'd joined you on that trip now Big grin

Damn skippy! Would've loved to had the company! So how about coming to SLC in June? You're welcome to crash at my place if you'd like...
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 17):
So how about coming to SLC in June?

Funnily enough, I have 2 weeks off in June Big grin


I'll see if I can sort something out, I may be up to something else in June, although i'm not sure yet....  Wink



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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:27 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 17):
You're welcome to crash at my place if you'd like...

Or even my place. Besides, I'm closer to the gambling action.  Wink
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 8:29 am

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 19):
Or even my place. Besides, I'm closer to the gambling action.

I'd be mad to gamble again  Wink



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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Sun Apr 09, 2006 11:09 pm

Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 15):
I personally favor more conservative larger canopies.

Very wise words there, I intend to always abide by.
Is there a general rule of thumb as to how many jumps will I have to repeat when I go back to get my A licence? If I remember correctly, once you wait more than 30 days between jumps for any reason, you are required to repeat the last one. Its been more than 2 years in my case, I don't remember which category I was on. I had to repeat the one in which your only jump master also lets you go, I started spinning even after he stopped me once though it wasn't too bad. I had the problem sorted out on the next jump.
 
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:45 am

Just out of curiosity, how expensive is it?

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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:50 am

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 8):
over 500 bucks

Don't know if that applies everywhere.

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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:17 am

Quoting TupolevTu154 (Reply 23):
Don't know if that applies everywhere.

Absolutely not, as I mentioned I chose to start with AFF which is always more expensive than the tandem and further more I calculated the entire cost it took me to get it done, that includes probably more than $100 of fuel I had to burn to make all those trips down there.
 
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Mon Apr 10, 2006 2:35 am

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 21):
Is there a general rule of thumb as to how many jumps will I have to repeat when I go back to get my A licence?

This varies a lot from country to country and even from DZ to DZ. Generally speaking you will have to sit in on a new first jump course and then probably do at least one jump with two jumpmasters. This will usually be planned as a Level III but the Jumpmasters will definitely reserve the option to not release you if you're not performing well. In most cases, a good performance will bump you up to a Level V as a Level IV is not much more than a III with only one Jumpmaster. However given your spin on what was most likely a IV you'll probably not get the option to skip. So, short answer is most likely a first jump course and two additional jumps to get back to where you were. YMMV.

Quoting Boeingfanyyz (Reply 22):
Just out of curiosity, how expensive is it?

Here is pricing from my favorite DZ outside of MEM:

http://www.skydivekingair.com/pricing.asp

Tandem is typically about $150-200 with video an additional $60-75 if you want it - you do, trust me. AFF(your own parachute and two jumpmasters for first jump) is usually $275-350 for first jump with similar video pricing. Some schools will offer discounted video on higher levels of AFF for use as a coaching tool. Generally speaking these will be raw and unedited vs. the more polished/finished product generally provided for first jumps.

If it saves you a repeat jump or two it's worth the investment and sometimes they're also funny as hell. I've got one on the shelf somewhere that I shot where a guy on a Level I pushed off much too strongly from the strut of a 182 and took both jumpmasters for a full backloop. I was in so tight on him you could hear him screaming in the video and even got a real wierd doppler on it. Normally the audio is worthless but occasionally you're glad you have it.
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:27 am

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 2):


Here I am over Germany, second from the right!


this picture, does it show Operation Varsity (Largest airborne operation of WW2, carried out by American, British and IIRC Polish paratroopers in spring 1945 to support the Allied crossing of the Rhine near Wesel)?

During the memorial ceremonies at Arnhem in 2004 I watched a parachutist plung to death. His main canopy didn't open properly, bu then he made the stupid mistake of opening his reserve before jettisoning the main canopy, which subsequently got entangled in the main canopy, looking like a huge streamer. He fell down with a terrible speed and disappeared behind a group of trees a few hundred meters away from where I was standing. A few minutes later I saw police cars and ambulances heading there. From what I've heard later, he didn't survive.

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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:08 am

So what's the difference between golf and skydiving?

V


V


V


In golf you go:

Whack!
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:21 am

Sorry to say I have not.

I really intended to. You spend a couple thousand hours with a parachute strapped to your back, you spend a couple of years with a Special Forces unit, you carry their HALO teams up for hundreds of jumps and it gets to seem like something you should do.

So I bought a parachute from an old sergeant. It was a 28' round, modified for sport jumping in a manner known as a 7-gore TU. I took my prize down to the rigger shop to have them check it out.

They had a real scientific method of checking the condition of the ripstop nylon material, they would stretch it over the top of a jar or glass and try to punch through it with a couple of fingers. Well they grabbed a high-pressure area and stretched it out and it tore. So they grabbed another panel; stretch-rip! stretch-rip! stretch-rip! In two minutes they had shredded my parachute. When I picked it up he told me: "If you'd have jumped that you'd have gotten a hero's welcome!" What he meant was that I'd have landed in a shower of confetti - that was formerly my canopy.

Then he showed me a big blood stain in the back of the pack tray.

I went and got my money back. That was the end of it at that location.

About ten years ago I sat on the edge of my house roof and jumped down to the lawn. Even with my crude attempt at a PLF it was obvious that my day was over for such impacts. About three years ago, after looking at an X-ray of my lower back I decided that I would never again even sit on an ejection seat.

So skydiving went the way of my dream of being in Howard Hughes' will or being asked to do a bicentennial minute. One by one the dreams get lived or they just drift away.
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:16 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 28):
So skydiving went the way of my dream of being in Howard Hughes' will or being asked to do a bicentennial minute. One by one the dreams get lived or they just drift away.

These days with ram-air canopies it is not nearly as rough on you as you would imagine. Remember that military gear is very different these days from civilian gear. If you go back 30+ years civilian gear was often modified military gear or adapted military designs, these days the exact opposite is true with the exception of static line operations - civilian static line jumping gear is very different, more safe, but not adaptable to the very unique requirements of the military.

A rough landing these days is more equivalent to jumping off a picnic table than your roof. Also, there are simple methods to slow down the opening of a parachute to make it more gentle. Of course if you have a malfunction and go to the reserve you will be jerked around like a rag doll as they are packed for fast openings.

We work with people who are a lot less fit and have injury rates orders of magnitude lower than the military. This is not a result of us being better than the military, it's just that training people realistically to jump into an area with bad guys shooting at you while carrying lots of gear is inherently more dangerous. Night jumps are also more dangerous and are not allowed in the civlian world until an A license is earned, usually 20-25 freefalls.

Now, as for skydiving jokes ....

How are skydivers like coffee?

They're both good to the last drop.

Why wouldn't Helen Keller skydive?

It would have scared the hell out of the dog.

Can I pay for jumps with a check?

Sure, but if your check bounces, so do you.

What happens if the reserve doesn't open?

That's what's known as jumping to a conclusion.

Here's a link to some other good ones http://www.afn.org/skydive/humor/jokes.html

And then there's Cardinal Puff. If you've never heard of it, try Google, it's a truly sick drinking game that was all too popular with skydivers for a long time.
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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:44 am

Oh yeah baby!!

Last December in Durban, South Africa. 10,000 foot jump. Lovely indeed.

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RE: Who's Been Skydiving?

Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:48 am

Just jumped out of a super otter at 14k feet over Houston yesterday actually. I had such a rush that I'm thinking about getting certified sometime in the future.
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