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Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:50 am

Buenas noches,

I just got home from a 2,5 hour car trip, most of it on the famous Autobahn. Car was a 2002 VW Passat 1,9 TDI, 96 kW, I have to admit the fuel consumption (according to that little script-a-trip computer thingy) was pretty impressive:

308 km total distance, 2 h 30 min, 124 km/h average speed and 7,9 litres per 100 km! Well done, VWBig grin

in US terms, that would be: 191.4 miles, 77.1 mph on average and 29.8 mpg

I'd guess some of you folks with really economic cars can do better, so let's see what you've achieved!  Smile
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:57 am

Does the car have a "Feinstaubfilter"? (<- WTF is that in English?)  Wink

I have to agree, many friends/colleagues have a VW with TDI engine and I am always very impressed how powerful and how economical they are. Even the oldest 90 hp engine can bring a Golf to 190 kph without any problems.

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:58 am

I have a 2004 Volvo S80 AWD and it gets 31 mpg on the highway cruising at 75 mph. I don’t think 29.8 mpg is good gas mileage for a diesel.

I used to have a 1980 VW Rabbit, (that is what the Golf was called in the USA in the 80’s) and I got almost 50 mpg on the highway, now that is good mileage for a diesel.
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:03 am

Actually Achim, you got your conversion wrong. It should have been just over 30 mpg. Still, there is no way your car should have been consuming that much, particularly at highway speeds where consumption should be going down, not up. You should have it checked out
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 1):
Does the car have a "Feinstaubfilter"? (<- WTF is that in English?)

A 2002 VW?  Wink In those days they were still looking at those as kids stuff. D'oh!

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
Still, there is no way your car should have been consuming that much

A 130 hp engine carrying itself plus three people plus their baggage shouldn't have consumed 7,9 litres while averaging 124 km/h?  Wink To get to that, you have to keep cruising at about 150 to 160 most of the time.
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:23 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
Still, there is no way your car should have been consuming that much, particularly at highway speeds where consumption should be going down

Remember that car manufactures calculate their highway economy at 55 mph, while he was going around 75 mph. Considering his speed, it seems like normal performance to me. Once over about 65 mph fighting wind resistance really starts to take a toll on fuel economy.

Quoting Aloges (Thread starter):
I'd guess some of you folks with really economic cars can do better, so let's see what you've achieved!

TDI are fine engines, but even non-hybrid gas can still hold their own.

My 2003 Honda Accord (2.4L, 160hp, I4 gas, manual-5) has an advertised city/highway economy of 26/34 mpg. From my experience it usually gives me about 28/32.
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:37 am

Well, you didn't mention that the car was fully loaded, but the fact remains, as others have posted above, that that's 7.9 highway is not stellar for a diesel. I would have thought around 6.0.

I have seen the TDI advertised as getting 3.9L/100km on highway, though I think that was on a Golf, so a little less weight.

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:51 am

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 6):
Well, you didn't mention that the car was fully loaded,

Yup, forgot about that the first time. I should add the car still has winter tyres, which is why I hardly ever exceeded 160. I don't know if they're certified for 160 or 180; anyway, 160 is perfectly enough carrying passengers.

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 6):
that that's 7.9 highway is not stellar for a diesel

Stellar it is not, but if you include driving through a city to get to the motorway, cruising on it at 150 or a bit more for most of the time and driving through the countryside it's a nice average.

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 6):
I would have thought around 6.0.

We used to get that in our old car, 1994 Passat TDI with the 66 kW engine (convert to local variety of hp yourself) and far less torque than the current one. The best we ever got was, don't quote me on it, about 4,6 or 4,9 litres per 100 km/h: fully loaded, almost brand new car, two parents plus two children, low trailer holding a heavy tent and loads of supplies and still, the motorways in Sweden made the thing sip the fuel.
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:01 am

We have an Audi A2 1.4TDI, I took it from Manchester to London and back once, averaging about 80mph (around 130kph), and it returned 50mpg  Cool

Have had it as high as 65mpg but thats when you drive like a grandad at 60mph  Wink
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:03 am

Quoting Dazultra (Reply 8):
We have an Audi A2 1.4TDI

Well, you have to have some way to save money after you buy that car...  duck 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:08 am

It is a good mileage, considering your speed. 124 kph is a pretty high average speed. I suspect some people don't understand the concept of average speed...

Quoting Aloges (Reply 7):
I should add the car still has winter tyres, which is why I hardly ever exceeded 160. I don't know if they're certified for 160 or 180; anyway, 160 is perfectly enough carrying passengers.

Are there still winter tyres with such low max speeds?

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:09 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 9):
Well, you have to have some way to save money after you buy that car...  duck 

Haha, we got it ex demo, was £17,000 invoice price when new..  faint  but we got it for £12,000, 10 months old with 4000 miles on the clock - which is about what an equivalent VW Polo of a similar spec would cost
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:15 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 10):
124 kph is a pretty high average speed.

courtesy of "Sonntagsfahrverbot"

Quoting Pelican (Reply 10):
I suspect some people don't understand the concept of average speed...

Could be, could not be... I like a quick ride, so it'd be mighty difficult for me to find out what the consumption is at 130.  Wink

Quoting Pelican (Reply 10):
Are there still winter tyres with such low max speeds?

I don't think so either, but it wouldn't have been worth figuring out anyway. Like I said, 160 is enough anyway.

Quoting Dazultra (Reply 11):
Haha, we got it ex demo, was £17,000 invoice price when new..

That's downright scary... no wonder you hardly ever see one of those aluminium scooters.

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting Pelican (Reply 10):
Are there still winter tyres with such low max speeds?

There are on my VW Bug, I have some ancient Vredestein Snow+, 155 SR15Q. Old crap. Modern winter tyres I know are all minimum T, so they are certified for 190km/h.
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:35 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 4):
A 130 hp engine carrying itself plus three people plus their baggage shouldn't have consumed 7,9 litres while averaging 124 km/h? To get to that, you have to keep cruising at about 150 to 160 most of the time.

Still, there is no way your car should have been averaging that low

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 5):
Remember that car manufactures calculate their highway economy at 55 mph, while he was going around 75 mph. Considering his speed, it seems like normal performance to me. Once over about 65 mph fighting wind resistance really starts to take a toll on fuel economy.

Actually, 55 mph has not been found to be the ideal cruising speed for most cars. It is usually more like 70. Also, the fact that I got similar mpg averaging 90 mph between Los Angeles and New Orleans in a 3.2 litre gas powered high performance engine leads me to believe that that small diesel should be doing a lot better.
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:36 am

Back when I had my other car - to remain nameless, The one real road trip I took with it averaged 27.5mpg @ abt 70-75mph. It was a 5.7l, 346ci V8 with about 380hp. My current car - a 1.6 POS gets roughly the same. I do have a vehicle that gets about 7, and another that gets around 4.5 - but that one took about $700 last time I filled it up.
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:47 am

Hi All,
This is a great thread. Every time I see a Hummer H2 I feel sick. I have a Toyota Corolla that gives around 30 MPG around the city and 39 MPG on the highway. I normally get ~32 MPG in mixed driving.

I'm not a big fan of the hybrids, even though I'm a Toyota fan. I still think Diesel is the better way to go. Once we have Low Sulfur Diesel in MA, I'd gladly buy one. Not only are diesels efficient, they last for a long time. No need to change batteries ($4,000!!) on a diesel engine.

We've got an ancient MB 300D in India. The thing still works like a champ, no problems at all.

My old Lexus LS400 gives a terrible 19 MPG around town, but a far more respectible 24 MPG on the highway. Since I'm turning into a tree hugger I decided to get my Corolla for daily driving. It seemed really wasteful to drive a Eight Cylinder engine when a 4 Cylinder was sufficient to get me to work everyday!

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:57 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Actually, 55 mph has not been found to be the ideal cruising speed for most cars.

55 mph is the EPA standard test, but isn't necessarily indicative of real-world driving.

From what I've read, my particular car is most efficent at about 62-63 mph. But...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
It is usually more like 70.

70!! Find me a passenger car (like the VW or Honda in question) that has an economy cruise speed of 70 mph and I'll eat my hat!

Absolutely no family sedan with a 4/5 speed transmission (and a drag coefficent of around .27) that gets better gas mileage at 70 than it does at 65 or 55 mph.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Also, the fact that I got similar mpg averaging 90 mph between Los Angeles and New Orleans

Averaging?  eyebrow 

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:40 am

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 15):
Back when I had my other car - to remain nameless, The one real road trip I took with it averaged 27.5mpg @ abt 70-75mph. It was a 5.7l, 346ci V8 with about 380hp.

Of course, the T56 transmission in your other car is designed with a really tall top gear, so that your LS1 is turning over at about 1500 rpm at highway speed (if your car is what I think it is, at least).

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 17):
70!! Find me a passenger car (like the VW or Honda in question) that has an economy cruise speed of 70 mph and I'll eat my hat!

My old Merc 560 SEC gets its best fuel economy at 140 km/h (79 mph). At that speed, I can average almost 26 mpg, whereas at 90 km/h (55 mph), I can barely muster 20.

Why is that? My car is not a North American spec car; it was imported from Germany 3 years ago. European highways are designed for a much higher average speed than North American highways and as such, the manufacturers design their cars to reach optimum fuel economy at a higher speed.
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:40 am

Quoting MrChips (Reply 18):
My old Merc 560 SEC gets its best fuel economy at 140 km/h (79 mph).

Yeah... a Mercedes. Not a family sedan.
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 11:54 am

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 17):
70!! Find me a passenger car (like the VW or Honda in question) that has an economy cruise speed of 70 mph and I'll eat my hat!

Absolutely no family sedan with a 4/5 speed transmission (and a drag coefficent of around .27) that gets better gas mileage at 70 than it does at 65 or 55 mph.

I have a BMW M3, 5 speed. I read a test of a Honda Insight and they used a speed of around 70 to maximize the mileage.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 17):
Averaging?

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:58 pm

Quoting Aloges (Thread starter):
in US terms, that would be: 191.4 miles, 77.1 mph on average and 29.8 mpg

I'd guess some of you folks with really economic cars can do better, so let's see what you've achieved!

I don't trust those. My mother's Grand Caravan (3.8 V6) once claimed it got 29.1 MPG.

My best was 32 MPG in my 4-cyl 1995 Camry over a 1200 mile trip. I thought that was prety good.
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 1:05 pm

Ummm... I don't find it that impressive, especially for a Diesel.

Let's consider, Diesel right now in Florida is going for around $2.65 per gallon... around $0.05 diff from regular unleaded.

Now, I have a 2.5L 4 cylinder stick shift Scion tC which gets around 25mpg... I think taking into account the pollution and especially the noise of a Diesel engine, I'll stick to mine.

Btw, how much horsepower is 96kW?



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Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:51 pm

Audi just recently came out with a new diesel car, seems pretty interesting... it'll run for 24 hours straight in France this june, and I don't imagine it'll get much more than 10 mpg... pretty atrocious! On the plus side, it is virtually silent, produces no smoke, has around 850 pound/ft of torque, and it'll be topping 210 mph regularly during the run... Gotta love the R10!
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:04 pm

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 23):
Audi just recently came out with a new diesel car, seems pretty interesting... it'll run for 24 hours straight in France this june, and I don't imagine it'll get much more than 10 mpg... pretty atrocious! On the plus side, it is virtually silent, produces no smoke, has around 850 pound/ft of torque, and it'll be topping 210 mph regularly during the run... Gotta love the R10!

Apparently economy is a huge benefit of that car. They have to make less stops over the course of an Enduro, meaning they save a whole lot of time.
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:12 pm

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 1):
Does the car have a "Feinstaubfilter"? (<- WTF is that in English?)

That would be called a particulate filter. I highly doubt a '02 Passat would have it as these have cropped up only in the last teo years or so (was a PSA invention but decided to let other carmakers use it).

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:45 pm

The new VW Passat has it, but the older one from 2002 still comes without Partikelfilter...

I think the biggest problem for the USA are the emissions of NOx which a Diesel produces, so that their emission quality is lower. This can be fixed, but it makes the engine more expensive.

Is the Diesel getting more common in the US nowadays? Can you get Diesel on every fuel station? In Europe, the Diesel is as common as a gasoline car. The last 17 years since the introduction of the first Audi TDI in 1989 brought a real revolution, and with low fuel consumption, yet high torque, the Diesel should be the ideal engine for US roads I think...
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:55 pm

Quoting Aloges (Thread starter):
308 km total distance, 2 h 30 min, 124 km/h average speed and 7,9 litres per 100 km! Well done, VW!

That sounds a bit strange. My 1999 BMW 320i with gasoline-powered 2-liter 6-cylinder gets 6 ltrs/100 at 120 kph. That diesel is smaller, the car's about the same size, so I would expect it to do better.
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:08 pm

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 17):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Also, the fact that I got similar mpg averaging 90 mph between Los Angeles and New Orleans

Averaging?

Probably couldn't wait to get out of that sh!thole...right Alireza  Wink ?

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:22 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 26):
Is the Diesel getting more common in the US nowadays? Can you get Diesel on every fuel station?

Not for passenger cars. Sure, 99% of gas stations offer Diesel fuel, but has (until recently) always been a more expensive fuel. I think the only cars offered in Diesel versions nowadays are VW's and that's it.

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:30 pm

Only 30mpg with a VW TDI??? My Hyundai Elantra gets 35mi/gal at 70mph with cruise on.
 
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:35 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 27):
My 1999 BMW 320i with gasoline-powered 2-liter 6-cylinder gets 6 ltrs/100 at 120 kph.

The point is there is a subtle difference between 124 km/h at a given time and 120 km/h on average for an entire trip from engine start to engine shutoff.  Wink

I didn't check the display too often driving on the Autobahn, but I got to see 4,9 litres/100 km at 140 km/h. That's 48 mpg at 87 mph in a loaded car with winter tyres.
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:37 pm

Quoting Portcolumbus (Reply 30):
Only 30mpg with a VW TDI??? My Hyundai Elantra gets 35mi/gal at 70mph with cruise on.



Quoting Aloges (Reply 31):
The point is there is a subtle difference between 124 km/h at a given time and 120 km/h on average for an entire trip from engine start to engine shutoff.
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:46 pm

Quoting Portcolumbus (Reply 30):
Only 30mpg with a VW TDI??? My Hyundai Elantra gets 35mi/gal at 70mph with cruise on.

124 km/h average on the Autobahn means 100mph all the time, with occasionally 120 mph, and sometimes congestion...

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:51 pm

Quoting TheSonntag (Reply 33):
124 average on the Autobahn means 100mph all the time, with occasionally 120 mph, and sometimes congestion...

I guess Pelican was right:

Quoting Pelican (Reply 10):
I suspect some people don't understand the concept of average speed...

Now if the bitching about aircraft fuel consumption is based on the same knowledge, I finally know why I hardly ever visit the Civil Aviation forum anymore.
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:17 pm

I meant 124 km/h, I should not have mixed km/h and mph in one thread .

But I think there really is a difference between Germany and the rest of the world in how to get your average speed. In the USA and most places it is: Set the tempomat to 80, and drive like that for hours...

In Germany it is push down the speeder like mad, reach 120mph, brake, drive 55 mph behind a lorry, kick down again, up to 120, brake, get angry, shout, use the headlights, kick down again...  Wink

Speed limits make no sense, of course  Wink

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:53 pm

What?? My 1984 monster Ford Bronco 5.0 litre pushrod V8 averages almost 80mpg when flooring it at 150kmh up an incline even when I am pulling a 5000lb trailer and carrying 6 people and all their luggage!

I seriously don't know why everyone is getting their knickers in a twist about this, 30mpg doesn't sound that unreasonable to me when you consider driving style, particularly under the conditions that Aloges has mentioned:

1. Fully laden Passat probably weighing over 3500lbs
2. Driving through city to get to autobahn
3. 124kmh average
4. Winter tyres

Quoting Aloges (Reply 34):
Now if the bitching about aircraft fuel consumption is based on the same knowledge, I finally know why I hardly ever visit the Civil Aviation forum anymore.

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:07 pm

Quoting Dazultra (Reply 8):
Have had it as high as 65mpg but thats when you drive like a grandad at 60mph

And whats wrong with that?! lol my parents have a 2004 VW Golf 2.0 TDI (3 Door  Wink), and the other day it returned 67.2mpg when we travelling along the A31 in Hampshire, travelling at 60mph!

Quoting Aloges (Thread starter):
Just Got To Love VW TDI Engines  Wink

Ohhh yes  Wink
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:20 pm

My A4 with that engine gives me 40-45mpg around the doors, motorway driving pushes it up towards 50mpg. I agree with you about the bitching, but 30mpg seems very low.
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Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:31 pm

I've got a 54 plate Polo 1.4 TDi (75PS), despite it only having three cylinders and being noisier than a bus full of screaming kids, the amount of torque it provides (144lb/ft at 2200rpm) makes overtaking very easy, even in fifth gear. Normally it returns about 50-55mpg.

Much as I love TDi engines, I still prefer my Mondeo TDCi (130PS), it's much smoother and a lot quieter than the equivalent Passat TDi and will happily cruise at 70mph and still return around 50mpg.

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Mon Apr 10, 2006 9:46 pm

Quoting Sean377 (Reply 38):
but 30mpg seems very low.

Those are supposed to be US mpg. In UK terms, it's 35.8 or so. But anyway...

Quoting Aloges (Reply 31):
The point is there is a subtle difference between 124 km/h at a given time and 120 km/h on average for an entire trip from engine start to engine shutoff.

Stating the bloody obvious again, there is no way you could cruise at 140 km/h flat for hours on end. Like I said, you have to get to the Autobahn first. Then you have some speed limit for wet conditions; of course it rains. Then you get to an empty stretch without a limit where you can floor it if you like, but only as long as no Fiat Punto pulls out in front of you at 110 km/h because he absolutely, positively was unable to wait ten more seconds to pass that lorry that's about a kilometre ahead. Yes I know that was a worst case scenario. Then you have parts near junctions or cities with a 120 limit. I'll stick to that, thank you very much. In the right lane, too.

For all you know-it-alls claiming the fuel economy "sucked", I challenge you: do the same thing, fully legally, and get a better average. Beat the trip time WWW route planners calculate by about 15% in a packed car accelerating and braking between, say, 100 and 170 km/h most of the time and drive more economically. Make about an hour of said 2,5 hours driving on country roads where you can't average more than 50 km/h, again accelerating or braking most of the time, and see if your automatic 6 litre V12 HEMI super-duper SUV still gets 50 mpg.

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RE: Just Got To Love VW TDI Engines ;)

Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:19 pm

Quoting Aloges (Reply 40):
Stating the bloody obvious again



Quoting Aloges (Reply 40):
For all you know-it-alls



Quoting Aloges (Reply 40):
God, can this be annoying

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RE: Just Got To Love VW TDI Engines ;)

Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:29 pm

Quoting Aloges (Thread starter):
191.4 miles, 77.1 mph on average and 29.8 mpg

i get that with a 99 2.slow engine... i thought those were rated at about 50mpg..
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RE: Just Got To Love VW TDI Engines ;)

Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:58 am

Quoting Sean377 (Reply 41):
Wow! Having a bad day?

Nope, just having a problem with people who can't understand the term "average speed" and compare fuel consumption during a trip with the cruise control to my trip yesterday. And after you've explained the difference, you're guaranteed to have yet another I-don't-even-read-half-the-thread-but-still-post-my-reply-as-though-nothing-has-happened-guy popping up making you repeat yourself for the umpteenth time. See?

Quoting Scott2187 (Reply 42):
i thought those were rated at about 50mpg..



Quoting Aloges (Reply 31):
The point is there is a subtle difference between 124 km/h at a given time and 120 km/h on average for an entire trip from engine start to engine shutoff.

I could definitely get 40 mpg or so out of the thing - but that was not the point. The point was to express the pleasant surprise I had when I read "7,9 l/100 km" after one certain trip. I did ask "post what you have achieved" and thought it was obvious I was implying fuel consumption over an entire trip, yet unfortunately only a few people realised... the following was pretty much what I had thought about:

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 21):
My best was 32 MPG in my 4-cyl 1995 Camry over a 1200 mile trip. I thought that was prety good.
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RE: Just Got To Love VW TDI Engines ;)

Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:36 am

I love my TDI Jetta (Bora)! I havent put fuel in for more than a month and I still have some left!!!

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RE: Just Got To Love VW TDI Engines ;)

Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:05 pm

The VW diesel is excellent, really torquey and great efficiency. My truck was really torquey as well, but not quite as efficient.




Posted it before but what the hey  Smile

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RE: Just Got To Love VW TDI Engines ;)

Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:33 pm

On highway journeys in my Cadillac deville (4.6L V8), if I maintain reasonably consistent speed (no point-and-squirt, as the Northstar is so good at doing...), I routinely expect to get 27.5 to 28 MPG and average 78 MPH or so.

With the ludicrous reformulated gasoline (ethanol added to pad ADM's coffers), I expect the mileage to decline significantly, probably 3-5MPG or so.

But hey, at least the gasoline costs 40% more!

Wait, that's bad!

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Back on topic, I really like the new generation of diesels, expect to shop Audi for my next if they'll cooperate in offering the range. Or perhaps the new Passat, which I think is exceptionally nice.
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RE: Just Got To Love VW TDI Engines ;)

Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:19 pm

I like VW TDI engines too, especially the V-10 TDI! The Touareg V-10TDI 5.0L 310hp engine with 553lbs of Torque! Now that is something. And it gets around 18-22mpg! That is much better to my Touareg V8 Petrol engine which gets around 12-15mpg. On the streets I will get maybe 12mpg on a good day with no traffic. Going slow and stopping alot I might get as low as 9mpg.
VW TDI are great! I just love VW.  Smile
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