tbar220
Posts: 6706
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2000 12:08 pm

Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:49 pm

Well, if you still think you can trust the president...

***

Lacking Biolabs, Trailers Carried Case for War

Administration Pushed Notion of Banned Iraqi Weapons Despite Evidence to Contrary

By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 12, 2006; A01

On May 29, 2003, 50 days after the fall of Baghdad, President Bush proclaimed a fresh victory for his administration in Iraq: Two small trailers captured by U.S. and Kurdish troops had turned out to be long-sought mobile "biological laboratories." He declared, "We have found the weapons of mass destruction."

The claim, repeated by top administration officials for months afterward, was hailed at the time as a vindication of the decision to go to war. But even as Bush spoke, U.S. intelligence officials possessed powerful evidence that it was not true.

A secret fact-finding mission to Iraq -- not made public until now -- had already concluded that the trailers had nothing to do with biological weapons. Leaders of the Pentagon-sponsored mission transmitted their unanimous findings to Washington in a field report on May 27, 2003, two days before the president's statement.

The three-page field report and a 122-page final report three weeks later were stamped "secret" and shelved. Meanwhile, for nearly a year, administration and intelligence officials continued to publicly assert that the trailers were weapons factories.

The authors of the reports were nine U.S. and British civilian experts -- scientists and engineers with extensive experience in all the technical fields involved in making bioweapons -- who were dispatched to Baghdad by the Defense Intelligence Agency for an analysis of the trailers. Their actions and findings were described to a Washington Post reporter in interviews with six government officials and weapons experts who participated in the mission or had direct knowledge of it...

...In the end, the final report -- 19 pages plus a 103-page appendix -- remained unequivocal in declaring the trailers unsuitable for weapons production.

"It was very assertive," said one weapons expert familiar with the report's contents.

Then, their mission completed, the team members returned to their jobs and watched as their work appeared to vanish.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2006/04/11/AR2006041101888_pf.html

***


How does one defend the president on this? He got the report two days before his speech which said these weren't weapons labs, and yet went forward anyways and ignore the expert scientists and engineers to claim to the American people and the world that WMD's were found.

It seems every day a new lie/coverup/misinformation campaign by the president is uncovered. It really disgusts me that this group of people is running our country.

[Edited 2006-04-12 06:49:54]
NO URLS in signature
 
ANCFlyer
Posts: 21391
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:51 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:52 pm

This shit happened nearly three years ago . . . any reason you can't post something more recent to bash PotUS with??? Between your dated material and ClipperHawaii's you two could conduct a History Course right here on A-Net.
FOR THOSE THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW OR UNDERSTAND
 
tbar220
Posts: 6706
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2000 12:08 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:59 pm

ANCFlyer,

This "shit" was exposed today. I am posting it because it IS recent and it IS relevant. The by line is "April 12, 2006". The reason this is news is because it shows that Bush lied once again.

Why do you get so mad at this? When the president and his staff made claims to go to war based on WMD's, did you support it? I know I did. Now I don't support the war, and it pisses me off to know how much I was lied to. Three years later and 2,300 American soldiers dead, when news like this comes out it IS relevant because our troops are in Iraq on a war that we are seeing more and more was started on lies. Lies like the article above exposes.

So as long as our soldiers are dying, as long as my tax money is being funneled into Iraq, and as long as Bush and Co. are in power, I will NOT remain silent on issues like this.
NO URLS in signature
 
ANCFlyer
Posts: 21391
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:51 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:03 pm

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 2):
Why do you get so mad at this?

Hell, TBar, I'm not mad . . . just hate reading old news. Byline may be today, but we've seen this before.

...In the end, the final report -- 19 pages plus a 103-page appendix -- remained unequivocal in declaring the trailers unsuitable for weapons production.

It's old news . . . that simple. It's old enws presented by a new writer getting another 15 minutes in the spot light . . . Dredge up something new . . .
FOR THOSE THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW OR UNDERSTAND
 
tbar220
Posts: 6706
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2000 12:08 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:06 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Byline may be today, but we've seen this before.

Fine, the pressure is on you now. Since you claim we've seen this before, and that I'm digging up old news, back up your claim. Find where this was exposed before, then I will retract this thread.

Until then, I think your claims are ridiculous and unfair. A news story that breaks TODAY is not old news. And a news story where the President is caught in a bold faced lie surrounding the Iraq war is never old news.

Find me an older news article where its mentioned that Bush manipulated this report and lied about it. The onus is on you now.

And BTW, why don't you try commenting about the article or about the issue at hand here.

Does it bother you that the president lied about this?
Should there be some accountability?
Will anybody be held responsible?
IS there any accountability at all in this White House?

...

[Edited 2006-04-12 07:07:50]
NO URLS in signature
 
gunsontheroof
Posts: 3226
Joined: Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:30 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:09 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):

Hell, TBar, I'm not mad . . . just hate reading old news.

Me too. The fact that there aren't any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq isn't exactly an earth-shattering revelation. Leave it to the media (completely non-critical until it doesn't matter anymore) to pop a chubby over this.
 
ANCFlyer
Posts: 21391
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:51 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:12 pm

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 4):
Fine, the pressure is on you now. Since you claim we've seen this before, and that I'm digging up old news, back up your claim. Find where this was exposed before, then I will retract this thread.

I don't care if you retract the thread or not.

And this very item -

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
...In the end, the final report -- 19 pages plus a 103-page appendix -- remained unequivocal in declaring the trailers unsuitable for weapons production.

- the inability of those trailers to have produced WMD, has been brought forward here - on A-net - before . . .

Have fun with the thread . . .

At least we agree on Dumsfeld . . .  wink 
FOR THOSE THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW OR UNDERSTAND
 
tbar220
Posts: 6706
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2000 12:08 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:12 pm

Keep trying, but you are still avoiding the questions and the topic at hand.

The story is NOT about there not being WMD's in Iraq.

The story IS that the president has been caught in another lie.

Note my thread title, its not "No WMD's found in Iraq".
NO URLS in signature
 
ANCFlyer
Posts: 21391
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:51 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:19 pm

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 7):
The story IS that the president has been caught in another lie.

As you said to me: Burden of proof is on you . . . .

You publish a "Bush Lied Again" thread every couple days . . . and still haven't seen/heard anything to prove same . . . just speculation and conjecture.

But you keep having a go at it . . . gives you something to do.

[Edited 2006-04-12 07:20:28]
FOR THOSE THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW OR UNDERSTAND
 
tbar220
Posts: 6706
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2000 12:08 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:30 pm

ANCFlyer,

Are you saying the article that I posted is just speculation and conjecture? Are you saying the Washington Post is just making this stuff up? Did you read the article?

Bush said on March 29 that weapons labs were found.
Experts told Bush in the report on March 27 that they were NOT weapons labs.
Bush went ahead and lied about it anyways.

So is the Washington Posts reporting just speculation and conjecture? Or is that only so when it fits what you like to hear? Seriously, the opening thread was an article, and a quick summary of it.

I just don't understand, what more do you want? This is coming from a main stream media source, and its still "speculation and conjecture"? Somehow, the president's actions over the last five years have led you to put so much trust and faith in his words and actions?

And how about you answer my questions that I posted in Reply 4. I'll even preface those question with "IF its true that the president lied" so as not to offend you.

Finally, since you claim this is old news, you should produce an article or source backing that up. This story was released today, you claim otherwise, so prove it.

Lets try some more questions too while we're at it.
- Based on the article, do you believe the president lied in his speeches about the weapons labs on March 29?
- Do you believe that the president ignored the expert report?
- If the president did indeed change the reports of the experts, what is the motivation of one man to do this?
- If the president did change these reports to suit his needs, is this morally or ethically right?

[edit] I have to go to work early in the morning, so I'm going to sleep. I'll continue this discussion tomorrow, I hope you will try to at least address some of my points.

[Edited 2006-04-12 07:33:12]
NO URLS in signature
 
ANCFlyer
Posts: 21391
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:51 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:44 pm

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 9):
Did you read the article?

Of course . . . I'm not your normal A-Netter - I have this terrible habit of actually READING the shit I'm going to discuss . . . .

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 9):
Are you saying the article that I posted is just speculation and conjecture?

Nope, there were no WMD in those trailers and they weren't capable, apparently, of producing WMD.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 9):
Experts told Bush in the report on March 27 that they were NOT weapons labs.

Nowhere in the article did it say this. What is said was:
Leaders of the Pentagon-sponsored mission transmitted their unanimous findings to Washington in a field report on May 27, 2003, two days before the president's statement.
"Findings to Washington" versus "Told the President" are two completely, totally and extraordinarily DIFFERENT things.

There's the speculation and conjecture. And there's your straw grasping.

Press on TBar . . .
FOR THOSE THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW OR UNDERSTAND
 
Arrow
Posts: 2325
Joined: Wed Jun 19, 2002 7:44 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:06 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
It's old news . . . that simple. It's old enws presented by a new writer getting another 15 minutes in the spot light . . . Dredge up something new . . .

TBar is right. The story isn't the lack of WMDs, it's the fact that this info was available to Bush two days before he trotted out the BS. And trust me -- that's news. Most of the Watergate exposees were about stuff that had happened years before. When that stuff is revealed, it's news.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
"Findings to Washington" versus "Told the President" are two completely, totally and extraordinarily DIFFERENT things.

You can argue that maybe he didn't see it in those two days, but it's much harder to explain why the charade continued for many months, showing up in speeches again and again. This report was apparently unequivocal. Does anyone believe that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld et al haven't seen it?

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 5):
Leave it to the media (completely non-critical until it doesn't matter anymore) to pop a chubby over this.

Has it occurred to you, with all the recent discussion about de-classified intelligence reports, that it's a tad difficult for the media to get its hands on classified info? Ever heard of Daniel Ellsberg?

Interesting, isn't it, that Bush/Cheney felt no compunction about de-classifying pieces of intelligence reports (and misrepresenting them) on the bogus uranium scare. Wonder why he didn't de-classify this report at the same time.

I can't see this guy serving until the end of his term; the evidence that he cooked up the rationale for Iraq is almost overwhelming. This report adds to it.
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
 
11Bravo
Posts: 1679
Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:54 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:43 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 11):
I can't see this guy serving until the end of his term; the evidence that he cooked up the rationale for Iraq is almost overwhelming. This report adds to it.

That's probably not sufficient grounds for impeachment. It's not illegal. It's dishonest, manipulative, and grossly negligent, but it's not illegal.

I agree with you, however, that this is another strong indication that Bush wasn't just wrong about WMD,... he lied about it. The aluminum tubes, the yellow-cake, and now this. I didn't believe that Bush lied about this stuff, or I should say I didn't WANT to believe he did. I was inclined to think they just got it wrong. Apparently, that's not the case.
WhaleJets Rule!
 
cairo
Posts: 889
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:41 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
This shit happened nearly three years ago

The events described happened 3 years ago, true.

No one knew that the president continued to use false accusations of the existence of WMDs over a year after this report and other Pentagon sponsored research had already determined the WMDs didn't exist in these trailers or likely elsewhere.

In other words, the president knew there were likely no WMDs well before he admitted it because he was trying to drum up support for the war and his re-election. This is important.

It is 3 years old because the White House was hiding it.

"McClellan did not directly answer questions about whether Bush, when he made his statement [that the trailers were mobile WMD labs], was aware that a team of experts had already concluded the trailers were not involved with WMD manufacturing."*

Bush knew or should have known the trailers were harmless, but continued to use them as 'evidence' of WMD for months. It was either a bad mistake (charitable explanation) or outright dishonesty (makes more sense) that Pentagon experts already said the trailers were harmless while Bush continued to cite them as WMD "evidence".

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 2):
Why do you get so mad at this?

Because anything anti-military, anti-Bush, anti-US should be discussed quietly, and once only, if at all. You are bad for even bringing it up, you're a bad American and please get back to supporting new military action elsewhere - like Iran.

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 2):
I will NOT remain silent on issues like this.

And the White House should be made to answer for this war everyday it goes on, not listen to those who say the war itself is old news and we should move on to asking about American Idol or the Bush library.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
just hate reading old news.

Then don't. There is plenty of bandwidth here to disucss a news story presented in one of the nation's leading newspapers, if you consider it old, then stick to discussing news that is new enough for you. I hear the government is planning a whole new war for you to get excited about, and to take your mind off the unpleasant Iraqi one.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 5):
The fact that there aren't any weapons of mass destruction in Iraq isn't exactly an earth-shattering revelation

Your reading skills are interesting.

The absence of WMD is, in fact, old news. The cover-up and obvious plan of deception aimed foremost at the American people to disguise the known absence of WMD at an early (pre war) date is just now coming up. This is of the same importance as the revelation that Bush cherry picked and declassified information solely to discredit critics of the war.

If Bush is as honest as he says, then all this will blow over. If all sorts of false or misleading information was used to justify the Iraq war, then the avalance is just beginning.

Cairo

*http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/14325691.htm
 
Arrow
Posts: 2325
Joined: Wed Jun 19, 2002 7:44 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:07 am

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 12):
That's probably not sufficient grounds for impeachment. It's not illegal. It's dishonest, manipulative, and grossly negligent, but it's not illegal.

That has to be the real tragedy in all this -- that nothing he has done so far is in any way illegal. Thousands are dead in a war based on a lie, but that's not illegal. One of the advantages of a parliamentary democracy is that the leader can be ditched (or handed a loaded gun) without the party surrendering its control of the government. I don't know how Tony Blair has avoided this. How many Republicans would it take to convince Bush he had to resign?
Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.
 
mt99
Posts: 6166
Joined: Wed May 26, 1999 5:41 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:33 am

This is old "shit":

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060412/ap_on_sc/sweden_ancient_dung

"STOCKHOLM, Sweden - Swedish geologists have found fossilized feces from a worm that lived some 500 million years ago, media reports said Wednesday. "

It wasnt news when the worm defecated 500million years ago. Its news today.
Step into my office, baby
 
dl021
Posts: 10836
Joined: Fri May 21, 2004 12:04 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:41 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 9):
Are you saying the article that I posted is just speculation and conjecture?

Nope, there were no WMD in those trailers and they weren't capable, apparently, of producing WMD.

probably because they'd been stripped bare and cleaned with industrial solvents prior to their inspections....that's not conducive to the story so don't expect to see it from people looking to make points....
Is my Pan Am ticket to the moon still good?
 
maury
Posts: 526
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 6:27 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:55 am

Sometimes it takes a long time for news to work itself out, for stories to develop. Remember how long that nice Ken Starr had to work, and how much money he had to spend, to get the first-class results he eventually came through with? I bet y'all do!

I understand McClellan had yet another difficult day trying to spin this one. The poor man is just not good at thinking on his feet...and he certainly can't be expected to directly answer...

Quoting Cairo (Reply 13):
questions about whether Bush, when he made his statement [that the trailers were mobile WMD labs], was aware that a team of experts had already concluded the trailers were not involved with WMD manufacturing



It does seem that there are more and more incidents involving this President that end up being of the "what did he know, and when did he know it?" ilk...and where the initial premise seems to always be "the original information/story/explanation was later determined to be false."
 
S12PPL
Posts: 3603
Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:26 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:00 am

Bush is a pile of s**t. We all know it. He lies every fricken day about Iraq. We all know that, too.

Bush backers won't admit it, because it would mean admitting he's a liar, and not the good Christian he claims to be, and you all make him out to be. Lying is a sin, though. And since lying is a sin, this guy is gonna have to spend one hell of a lot of time in with a priest to get that off his shoulders.


When the Bush backers can come up with one SHRED of evidence that Bush has been truthful about the campaign in Iraq, and WMD's, etc. etc. etc., I'll change my view. Until then.....Good luck proving he is an honorable man, and a good President.


Meanwhile, I'm gonna go figure out how I'm gonna survive the rest of my life, since this country is totally f**ked.
Next Flights: 12/31 AS804 PDX-MCO 2/3 AS19 MCO-SEA QX2545 SEA-PDX
 
tbar220
Posts: 6706
Joined: Wed Feb 02, 2000 12:08 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting Cairo (Reply 13):
Because anything anti-military, anti-Bush, anti-US should be discussed quietly, and once only, if at all.

The ironic thing is, nothing I said was anti-military or anti-U.S. Now if equating criticism of the president with being Anti-U.S. and anti-military, then God help us.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
probably because they'd been stripped bare and cleaned with industrial solvents prior to their inspections....that's not conducive to the story so don't expect to see it from people looking to make points....

Really? Hey ANC, where's your shouts of "speculation and conjecture"? DL, you have a source?
NO URLS in signature
 
Falcon84
Posts: 13775
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:52 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:46 am

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
How does one defend the president on this?

It's easy for some, on a lot of different levels:

-Some just don't have the balls to critisize this preisdent.

-Some support it because of their own post-9/11 fear and paranoia.

-Some support it, because in the post-9/11 era, they wanted someone's ass to kick, and Iraq was an easy target.

Those are the main 3 reasons, in my mind. None, of course, justify this war in any way. The only reason given before the war was WMD. Some on here shrug that off, or argue to the contrary, but it was the truth. And it's becoming more and more apparent that this preisdent and this administration used this fear, and this now-discredited intel, to get a war it wanted.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
This shit happened nearly three years ago . . . any reason you can't post something more recent to bash PotUS with???

And it's coming to light-now, 3 years later-doesn't bother you, my friend? This guy has lied so many times to the American people he should be renamed Pinocchio. It is important, because, to many of us, it shows once again, that this president isn't who he says he is.

This story isn't about WMD; it's about the lies and falsehoods that this adminsitration has fobbed off since before the war in Iraq, and how they speak with complete dishonor about the character and honesty of the men and women who have helped to push this lie on the American people.

That, to me, is why it's relevant.
Work Right, Fly Hard
 
boeingfever777
Posts: 1990
Joined: Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:35 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:47 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
This shit happened nearly three years ago . . . any reason you can't post something more recent to bash PotUS with??? Between your dated material and ClipperHawaii's you two could conduct a History Course right here on A-Net.

LMAO! That made my day ANCFlyer! Big grin
Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre.
 
HKA
Posts: 142
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:44 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:02 am

people are pissed off at the 2300 US soldiers killed in the war.

What about the 25,000 civilians killed by the forces ??

Bush is being used as a scape goat. There is whole group of agencies, people that pushed him into going to the war.
 
MDorBust
Posts: 4914
Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:10 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:11 am

Bush's statement on the 29th was based on a report from the 28th, which was likely written long before the 27th.

I notice that the Post fails to say who in washington the report was sent to... could that be that they very reasonably believe the president wasn't the one it was sent to and likely didn't see it before the 29th?

Someone please make a positive connection between the president and the report on the 27th.
"I KICKED BURNING TERRORIST SO HARD IN BALLS THAT I TORE A TENDON" - Alex McIlveen
 
bushpilot
Posts: 1674
Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:37 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 8:22 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 11):
I can't see this guy serving until the end of his term; the evidence that he cooked up the rationale for Iraq is almost overwhelming. This report adds to it.

As much as Id love to see him go, I dont want that crackpot Cheney running the show(he pretty much already is). I am tired of the lies, and its not even just this, this administration has at every given opportunity lied to the American people. The guys running this country are as shady as any street criminal, when asked a tough question, simple answer, anything but the truth.

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 12):
That's probably not sufficient grounds for impeachment. It's not illegal. It's dishonest, manipulative, and grossly negligent, but it's not illegal.

Funny thing about this is that Bush somehow found a loophole for him not to testify under oath to the 9-11 commission. The lies are getting out of hand, when will there be an investigation done ala Lewinsky gate for Bush and Iraq.
I want a goddamn truth session with Bush...under oath, about the pre-war intelligence.
I want to see a bill introduced probably through the ethics committee that will punish any federal elected official or thier staffs for knowingly lying to people about US government business.
 
Falcon84
Posts: 13775
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:52 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:01 am

Quoting HKA (Reply 22):
What about the 25,000 civilians killed by the forces ??

Bush is being used as a scape goat.

He sent them there, didn't he? Those troops didn't go on their own, did they? So, if this is true, why is Bush a "scapegoat"? It's his war; his dream; his legacy. Don't fob it off on those sent there, or on anyone else.

Bush isn't the scapegoat; he's the reason for the war. No one else.

Quoting HKA (Reply 22):
There is whole group of agencies, people that pushed him into going to the war.

Bull. Remember the old saying: "The buck stops here." That means HE is responsible for sending our forces to war; even if someone pushed him, as you laughingly suggest, he's the president; if he didn't want to go, he'd push back. But he DID want to go. That's abundantly clear.

Those two quotes are the ultimate apologists statements that I've heard for this president.
Work Right, Fly Hard
 
AirCop
Posts: 5553
Joined: Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:39 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:50 am

What really troubles me is that we have nearly 2 1/2 years left with him as president, and according to numerous polls Americans feel that he is untrustworthy. How can one govern if the majority of Americans don't believe a word you say? How many middle of the road Republicans will get dragged down with him in this next election? Did anyone noticed that a Democrat was the leading voter getter in the election to replace former congressman Cunningham in the heavily Republican district in the San Diego area? That my two bits regarding this topic.
 
L-188
Posts: 29881
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 1999 11:27 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:20 am

Tbar...this story is soooo 2003.

Why don't you find some new muck to rack up?

It is breakup season after all!.
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
 
cairo
Posts: 889
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:41 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:23 am

Quoting HKA (Reply 22):
Bush is being used as a scape goat. There is whole group of agencies, people that pushed him into going to the war.

Scape goat is the wrong term - Bush alone is the C-I-C of the military and he alone ordered the Iraq war.

BUT, I somewhat agree with you in one regard: the war in Iraq had several proponents within the administration who got Bush to buy into a war of aggression against Iraq under the guise of a 'war on terror.' It also helped the Saddam tried to kill Bush the Elder and thus Bush the Younger disliked him anyway.

The anger America felt at 9/11 was cynically used primarily by the 'neocon' group of Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Michael Ledeen and yes, Scooter Libby* to justify a completely unrelated neocon policy goal - an invasion of Iraq.

Poetic justice is now coming true since the real threat in the region, Iran, can rely on the damage the Iraq war did to America's appetite for military adventures to gain greater latitude in its own REAL WMD desires.

Quoting Tbar220 (Thread starter):
How does one defend the president on this?

To add to the reasons Falcon gave, I might bring up one more explanation:

If you were or are in the military, or its closely related occupation of law enforcement, or of a military type mindset, you are taught to obey orders without question. The heirarchy of leadership is critical and unthinking obedience is crucial. The litereal written law and the words of the leader are the beginning and end of your world.

Not only are you generally intent on protecting your leader at all costs, you also attack those who criticize your leader. You also don't even like any discussion of any decision once it has been made by someone higher than you in the chain of command. The discussion of a past decision already made or a discussion of the errors of the leader is unbearable because it implies that unthinking loyalty can produce loyalty to a fool.

This is simply a mindset some have. They are useful because they do what they're told - you just have to capture the leadership position they all obey.

Cairo


*http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html
 
MDorBust
Posts: 4914
Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:10 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:29 am

Quoting Cairo (Reply 28):
If you were or are in the military, or its closely related occupation of law enforcement, or of a military type mindset, you are taught to obey orders without question.

 redflag 

Quoting Cairo (Reply 28):
The heirarchy of leadership is critical and unthinking obedience is crucial

 redflag 

Quoting Cairo (Reply 28):
The litereal written law and the words of the leader are the beginning and end of your world.

 redflag 

And the next two paragraphs... redflag  redflag 
"I KICKED BURNING TERRORIST SO HARD IN BALLS THAT I TORE A TENDON" - Alex McIlveen
 
Falcon84
Posts: 13775
Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:52 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:32 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 27):
Tbar...this story is soooo 2003.

Why don't you find some new muck to rack up?

It is breakup season after all!.

It is not "soooo 2003", L-188. The thrust of this story is not WMD. It's a RECENT revalation of how, again, this president you don't have the guts to critisize, has misled and lied to the American people over and over and over again about this war and it's origins.

There's a reason why his poll numbers are plummeting, L-188. It's shit like this-it's the fact most Americans have seen through his con game, and realized he isn't this honorable, honest, upright man he claimed to be. He isn't any of those things. He never was.
Work Right, Fly Hard
 
L-188
Posts: 29881
Joined: Wed Jul 07, 1999 11:27 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:34 am

Quoting Cairo (Reply 28):
The litereal written law and the words of the leader are the beginning and end of your world.

Pretty much sums up Islam, Whabbisim and Shira law doesn't it?
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
 
User avatar
yowza
Posts: 4280
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 7:01 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:03 pm

If the best you can do to defend your precious president is say "this is old news" or "this is so 2003" well that's pretty weak. WWII ended about 60 years ago, does news lose relevance with age? Not if it's important.

YOWza
 
ANCFlyer
Posts: 21391
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:51 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:05 pm

Quoting Arrow (Reply 11):
it's the fact that this info was available to Bush two days before he trotted out the BS.

Wrong, the info was "sent to Washington" two days before . . .

Quoting Arrow (Reply 11):
You can argue that maybe he didn't see it in those two days, but it's much harder to explain why the charade continued for many months, showing up in speeches again and again

I can also argue - if I felt like it - that it could be months before anyone in West Wing got a glimse of the info. Wouldn't serve any purpose.

Quoting Arrow (Reply 11):
Does anyone believe that Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld et al haven't seen it?

Nope - I'm sure they have by now . . . and I haven't heard anyone of late saying these trailers were WMD factories either.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 13):
Bush knew or should have known the trailers were harmless, but continued to use them as 'evidence' of WMD for months. It was either a bad mistake (charitable explanation) or outright dishonesty (makes more sense) that Pentagon experts already said the trailers were harmless while Bush continued to cite them as WMD "evidence".

Cairo - best, most cognizant post of the thread.

I agree - Bush SHOULD have known about the condition of these trailers - and should haev known in short order. Unless of course he's handed BS intel. And we ALL know a lot of the intel coming out of Iraq before and during the last 3 years is utter nonsense.

So where is the failing?

I saw an article on the CNN website last night about the NEW Intel Czar in the US and how woefully slow his new department is performing. I simply have no trust in the US Intelligence community at this point.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 13):
Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 2):
Why do you get so mad at this?

Because anything anti-military, anti-Bush, anti-US should be discussed quietly, and once only, if at all. You are bad for even bringing it up, you're a bad American and please get back to supporting new military action elsewhere - like Iran.

 sarcastic  redflag  . . . I dog the military, when deserved, as quickly as the next person. Do you just gloss over that . . . .

Quoting Cairo (Reply 13):
If Bush is as honest as he says, then all this will blow over. If all sorts of false or misleading information was used to justify the Iraq war, then the avalance is just beginning.

History will tell that tale, not TBar and his incessant Bush Bashing . . .

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 18):

Pure drivel and not worth quoting or replying to. Nothing constructive in the entire post.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
This shit happened nearly three years ago . . . any reason you can't post something more recent to bash PotUS with???

And it's coming to light-now, 3 years later-doesn't bother you, my friend?

Like I said in my initial reply, this thread . . . we all saw before, right here in Airliners, that these trailers didn't have any WMD in them. So, like I said in my initial reply, this thread - old news . . . .

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 20):
This guy has lied so many times to the American people he should be renamed Pinocchio.

When you get PROOF that there's a lie - please post it. Until then, it's an accusation and not a fact.

When there is PROOF that PotUS lied - I'll be standing right next to you, Falcon, at the rally calling for the Impeachment of the President. When there is PROOF.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
Bush's statement on the 29th was based on a report from the 28th, which was likely written long before the 27th.

I notice that the Post fails to say who in washington the report was sent to... could that be that they very reasonably believe the president wasn't the one it was sent to and likely didn't see it before the 29th?

Someone please make a positive connection between the president and the report on the 27th.

Jeeezuz MD - don't point out the blindingly obvious FACTS in the papertrail . . . wouldn't want anyone to blow a gasket or anything. Problem here - no one posting in this thread (save perhaps myself at this point) has ever worked in DC . . . everyone thinks information transfer and relay is instantaneous. Hell, it usually takes months for details to filter through all the red tape bullshit in Washington. Even if it shouldn't it damn sure does. No one there wants to grab their package and go forward with anything until it's been filtered a couple hundred times.

If this info was available on the 27th - "sent to Washington" as the article says, some staff idiot somewhere sat on it for a week at least, and some other staff idiots filtered it a dozen or more times before even the slightest tidbit got to anyone even half-ass up the chain of command. . . . that's just the way it is. Ignorance on their part demonstrates their belief that this info travels at light speed . . . it does not.


Quoting Cairo (Reply 28):
If you were or are in the military, or its closely related occupation of law enforcement, or of a military type mindset, you are taught to obey orders without question.

Ha Ha Ha - ignorance is bliss. In fact, you're taught the opposite Cairo. But continue to believe what you will. I won't even bother expounding here, don't think it will do any good.
FOR THOSE THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW OR UNDERSTAND
 
cairo
Posts: 889
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:41 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:53 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 31):
Quoting Cairo (Reply 28):
The literal written law and the words of the leader are the beginning and end of your world.

Pretty much sums up Islam, Whabbisim and Shira law doesn't it?

I couldn't agree more and have to say I am surprised you'd draw the comparison. Those that continue to support their leader despite wars of agression, lies and cover-ups are of the same mindset on both sides of this conflict. Nationalism, sports-team-mentalities and unfailing loyalty to leadership are paramount. To them, right and wrong are irrelevant. Death and lies - irrelevant.

Those above attacking TBar just for bringing this up are ideologically the same as those in Saudi Arabia that restrict criticism of their government or the Mullahs in Iran who put in prison or torture those who question the regime.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
Someone please make a positive connection between the president and the report on the 27th.

He was still ignoring it 3 weeks later on June 18:

Bush "has every confidence the intelligence he received was accurate intelligence," June 18, 2003, 3 weeks after the mobile labs were proven harmless.
www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/06/17/bush.iraq/
...and continued repeating this mantra for months.

...and Bush ignored and failed to make public other evidence pointing against the existence of WMDs: http://democrats.senate.gov/dpc/pdf/bushintclaims.pdf
...while conveniently declassifying and authorizing [Scooter Libby] to leak evidence to 'further the national debate' on Iraq which tended to point towards WMDs.

"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."

- George W. Bush May 29, 2003


Tbar, you have no right to bring this up again, even though it is your tax money, your military, your government, etc.... The decision has been made to go to war and the time for debate is over. Are you with us or against us?

Cairo

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 33):
In fact, you're taught the opposite Cairo.

Maybe so. It seems not coincidental to me that the people telling Tbar to shut up are cops, military types or of a military mentality. The same is true in the larger world. The military and police are, by definition, the most nationalistic in outlook and unquestioning of government.
 
itsjustme
Posts: 2727
Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:58 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:59 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
This shit happened nearly three years ago . . . any reason you can't post something more recent to bash PotUS with??? Between your dated material and ClipperHawaii's you two could conduct a History Course right here on A-Net.

Speaking of "dated material", wasn't PotUS recently bragging about a terror plot being thwarted back in 2002? That was over 4 years ago.
 
ANCFlyer
Posts: 21391
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:51 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:10 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 35):
Speaking of "dated material", wasn't PotUS recently bragging about a terror plot being thwarted back in 2002? That was over 4 years ago.

Yes . . . and?

The whole thing died pretty quickly as I recall . . . not sure if I believe all that either. But, since you're an LEO, you get the same kind of daily updates (I presume you do) from the Bureau, DHS and others as I do, how much of that crap that we get is dated? Not all of it to be certain, but enough.

That said: What amazes me is the amount of that same crap that is virtually "instantaneous" that we see and our President can't get on time and on target heads up intel without wading through volumes of bureaucratic red tape  redflag  . . .

The Intelligence community in this country remains broken IMO. And the new Intel Czar is a figurehead for nothing . . . yet another federal department with no function.
FOR THOSE THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW OR UNDERSTAND
 
S12PPL
Posts: 3603
Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:26 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:15 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 33):
Pure drivel and not worth quoting or replying to. Nothing constructive in the entire post.

I wouldn't expect you to say anything less than that, ANC...Not just you, but ANY right wing republican.
Next Flights: 12/31 AS804 PDX-MCO 2/3 AS19 MCO-SEA QX2545 SEA-PDX
 
itsjustme
Posts: 2727
Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:58 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:21 pm

Quoting HKA (Reply 22):
Bush is being used as a scape goat. There is whole group of agencies, people that pushed him into going to the war.

Scapegoat or not, it was Bush's decision to go to war. Unfortunately for President Bush, "Commander In Chief" is more than just a cool title. It carries a lot of serious responsibilities, most of which, our current CIC doesn't appear competent enough to fulfill.
 
itsjustme
Posts: 2727
Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:58 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:08 pm

Quoting Cairo (Reply 34):
Maybe so. It seems not coincidental to me that the people telling Tbar to shut up are cops, military types or of a military mentality.

Careful with the generalizations. I haven't said anything about Tbar's need to shut up.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 36):
Yes . . . and?

The whole thing died pretty quickly as I recall . . . not sure if I believe all that either. But, since you're an LEO, you get the same kind of daily updates (I presume you do) from the Bureau, DHS and others as I do, how much of that crap that we get is dated? Not all of it to be certain, but enough.

Yep, we see the same daily "updates" which are, at times, comical aren't they?

My point about the dated material versus the big deal PotUS made over a supposed terror plot being thwarted over 4 years ago was simply, one cannot condone him doing that yet condem the Post for bringing to light (new) facts about something that occurred 3 years ago. But, truth be told, that's all moot. What's most bothersome is this is just another of the many instances where the integrity of the president of the United States is in question.
 
ANCFlyer
Posts: 21391
Joined: Mon Nov 15, 2004 3:51 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:13 pm

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 39):
But, truth be told, that's all moot. What's most bothersome is this is just another of the many instances where the integrity of the president of the United States is in question.

Agreed, whether it be his fault or the fault of our supremely slooooow and archiac intelligence community . . . .

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 39):
Yep, we see the same daily "updates" which are, at times, comical aren't they?

 checkmark 

You sometimes wonder . . . WTF? Shake your head, hit the delete button and move on.
FOR THOSE THAT FOUGHT FOR IT, FREEDOM HAS A FLAVOR THE PROTECTED WILL NEVER KNOW OR UNDERSTAND
 
S12PPL
Posts: 3603
Joined: Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:26 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:25 am

What I love is how all the die hard republican Bush backers on this forum get all quiet when lie after lie from Bush is exposed. That is just so damn funny. Because, if it was a Democratic President, you would all be "crying" the way you claim we are now. I think that's just flat funny.

It's ok, we all know Bush is a pile of crap, and we all know your "golden boy" is a failure.
Next Flights: 12/31 AS804 PDX-MCO 2/3 AS19 MCO-SEA QX2545 SEA-PDX
 
maury
Posts: 526
Joined: Fri May 27, 2005 6:27 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:47 am

As a friend of mine points out: if this were a Democratic president, Fox "News" would be running a little box in the corner of the screen, 24/7: "BIN-LADEN ON THE LOOSE: DAY #___" Our more conservative friends merely find a litany of excuses (B-L's not important; it was Clinton's fault--either Clinton will do, and if not them, well, Ted Kennedy's fault, etc.)

My favorite (so far--they keep throwing new ones so it pays to scan the threads for jewels) is the "this is old news." This excuse can be trotted out even when a new relevation or new facet to a mis-truth is exposed, to downplay the importance of the actual lie we're being so unpleaantly reminded of. I suspect these are the same people who yawned when the Washington Post was running stories about the increasing links between a burglary at the Watergate and the Nixon administration..."that break-in happened *months* ago, get over it."

And nothing, ever, seems to be W's fault. It's Rummy's fault; it's the CIA's fault; it's "just the way intelligence reporting works," it's never the responsibility of the guy they all voted for as "leader." To read these forums, you'd think they voted for a weak-willed, easily misled and slightly credulous head of a comittee-- a committee run by those who are using the head guy as a tool to push their own agenda.

Oh, wait.
 
JakeOrion
Posts: 1090
Joined: Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:13 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:27 am

If your saying Saddam never EVER had WMDs, then obviously you need a history check:

http://www.culturalorientation.net/kurds/khist.html

Quote:
In 1979, the Shah of Iran was overthrown by the Ayatollah Khomeini, and in 1980 Iraq went to war against Iran. The Iraqi Kurds supported the Iranians, and toward the end of the war the Iraqi government retaliated with an extensive, devastatingly cruel campaign against the Kurds. Between February and August of 1988, hundreds of Kurdish villages in northern Iraq were totally destroyed, and as many as 200,000 Kurds were killed in the process. This was the period during which the Iraqi government used chemical weapons against Kurdish soldiers and civilians alike, causing an international uproar.

My question is: Where DID the WMDs go? Well, considering we gave Saddam 6+ months to smuggle them out of Iraq, no wonder we can't find them. Or we can have this:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/sandplanes.asp

Whether it was the right or wrong choice to go into Iraq is irrelevant. We are there now.

My  twocents :

I am currently pissed off at both parties. Neither of them are practically doing anything about anything! (Bush is just as guilty, you dissapoint me Mr. President.) I want to finish the job in Iraq and then get the hell out. Our domestic issues are starting to become way out of control and it looks foolish for a country to change another country when the dominate country is having such domestic problems. Fix our problems first, then worry about world issues. Technically, the US should let the UN handle it, but they are such a worthless cause that organization should just be disbanded. Just a waste of money in my opinion. League of Nations anyone?
Every problem has a simple solution; finding the simple solution is the difficult problem.
 
dvk
Posts: 1017
Joined: Thu Jun 29, 2000 12:18 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:31 am

Quoting Maury (Reply 42):
Our more conservative friends merely find a litany of excuses (B-L's not important; it was Clinton's fault--either Clinton will do, and if not them, well, Ted Kennedy's fault, etc.)

And of course, it's Nancy Pelosi's fault, too!  sarcastic 
I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
 
satx
Posts: 2771
Joined: Mon Apr 11, 2005 7:26 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:19 am

This thread is yet another example of how some of the most prolific right-wing American posters refuse to hold Bush accountable for anything. They'll pull out every single spin tactic they have so long as it prevents them from having to admit they bet on the wrong horse and defended the wrong team. When evidence of WMD's were being banded about, the US intelligence behind them was considered infallible by some of the same folks who are dismissing it out of hand now.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
This shit happened nearly three years ago . . . any reason you can't post something more recent to bash PotUS with???

The date of when it happened is relevant, not because it's too 'old' to discuss, but because it shows how long Bush had to come clean but didn't. I'm still hoping there's a thread of non-partisan decency left in you that will eventually let you see how bad of a president Bush has been, even if you never admit to it in public.

I've noticed that you don't mind bringing up Clinton's presidency and John Kerry's long distant past but when Bush is the subject you decide that your self-imposed statute of limitations is suddenly moved up past 2003.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
Between your dated material and ClipperHawaii's you two could conduct a History Course right here on A-Net.

That's completely unfair of you, ANCFlyer. This thread is in no way typical of ClipperHawaii's threads.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Hell, TBar, I'm not mad . . . just hate reading old news. Byline may be today, but we've seen this before.

What we saw before were largely in the realm of accusations. What we're seeing now is evidence that helps substantiate long-standing accusations, not unlike those presented in the much-maligned Fahrenheit 9/11 movie you and other right-wing apologists repeatedly ridiculed.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
It's old news . . . that simple. It's old enws presented by a new writer getting another 15 minutes in the spot light . . . Dredge up something new . . .

The only thing that's getting old is your narrow-minded attack on the age of the report.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 10):
Of course . . . I'm not your normal A-Netter - I have this terrible habit of actually READING the shit I'm going to discuss

 redflag  While you were busy publicly dismissing the report due to its age, the rest of us were reading about it.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
probably because they'd been stripped bare and cleaned with industrial solvents prior to their inspections....that's not conducive to the story so don't expect to see it from people looking to make points....

"Probably" doesn't cut it when we make critical comments about conservatives, so why on earth should we accept them from your side? Also, if they were cleaned up and modified into something other than WMD-related hardware, wouldn't that imply the UN inspection process might actually have been working?

Quoting HKA (Reply 22):
Bush is being used as a scape goat. There is whole group of agencies, people that pushed him into going to the war.

Bush was little more than a puppet when he was elected, in my view. Thus, the idea that he's suddenly a scapegoat is somewhat laughable.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
Bush's statement on the 29th was based on a report from the 28th, which was likely written long before the 27th.

None of these dates explain why he's refused to come clean in all the years since.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
I notice that the Post fails to say who in washington the report was sent to... could that be that they very reasonably believe the president wasn't the one it was sent to and likely didn't see it before the 29th?

Still doesn't explain what's been going on in all the years since the report was completed.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 23):
Someone please make a positive connection between the president and the report on the 27th.

Unless the connection occurred yesterday, it'll be far too old for all the conservative apologists on this board. Thus, what's the point?

Quoting L-188 (Reply 27):
Tbar...this story is soooo 2003.

Why don't you find some new muck to rack up?

It is breakup season after all!.

I'd love to have new and recent information on Bush. Unfortunately, Bush just happens to pride himself on running the least transparent government this country has had in a long time. Thus, it takes years to get the few details we do have, and even then most vocal conservatives refuse to acknowledge it simply because it didn't occur sooner or for some other equally vain reason. Thus, there is no way to prove anything to a conservative apologist.
Open Season on Consumer Protections is Just Around the Corner...
 
HKA
Posts: 142
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:44 am

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:50 am

Maybe, when I call Bush as the "scape goat", I mean thier are other people that are equally responsible. Bush can't have won the election without thier backup. They brought him in power so that he will be thier puppet.
They are:
1. The defence industralists, capitalists.
2. Anti-Islamic agencies that don't want peace in Muslim countries.

You have to undestand that USA economy runs on selling weapons.It doesn't run by selling toys & shoes like China !
Divide and rule strategy been been practiced for centuries, hence the shite-sunni conflicts would divide and destroy the Muslim world, if it gets out of hand.

The West benefits from the conflicts in Muslim countries and their leaders are silly enough to waste money on buying the weapons and at the same time allow their oil to be stolen !!

Britain would start to run out of oil in next 10 years. Infact North Sea Oil fields are already in depletion. Where are they going to get the cheap oil?
 
MDorBust
Posts: 4914
Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:10 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:01 am

Quoting Cairo (Reply 34):
Maybe so. It seems not coincidental to me that the people telling Tbar to shut up are cops, military types or of a military mentality.

Hmmm... let's see, I meet the cop and military qualification but I never even implied that Tbar should shut up. I asked for a positive connection between the report and the president.

Can anyone tell us when the president was informed of the report? Isn't it kind of jumpeing the gun to say the president knew this information and lied about it without being able to establish the first part of that claim?

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 41):
. Because, if it was a Democratic President, you would all be "crying" the way you claim we are now. I think that's just flat funny

Don't assume that we play the same petty games that you do.

Quoting SATX (Reply 45):
None of these dates explain why he's refused to come clean in all the years since.

I believe that it is now the official position of the Bush Administration that the trailers were most likely used for hydrogen production and not as WMD labs as they had previously thought.

Quoting SATX (Reply 45):
Unless the connection occurred yesterday, it'll be far too old for all the conservative apologists on this board. Thus, what's the point?

Nonsense.

If someone can show that the president was made aware of this report and it's findeings before makeing his claim that is of great importance.
"I KICKED BURNING TERRORIST SO HARD IN BALLS THAT I TORE A TENDON" - Alex McIlveen
 
itsjustme
Posts: 2727
Joined: Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:58 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 47):
I believe that it is now the official position of the Bush Administration that the trailers were most likely used for hydrogen production and not as WMD labs as they had previously thought.

Yes the official position of the Bush Administration has changed....again (and again and again and again and...).

Just a suggestion...either take the time to click the spell check link or at least learn the most basic rules of spelling. If a word ends in "e", when adding the suffix "ing" the "e" is usually dropped.
 
MDorBust
Posts: 4914
Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2005 10:10 pm

RE: Yet Another Bush Lie On WMD's

Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:38 am

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 48):
Yes the official position of the Bush Administration has changed....again (and again and again and again and...).

Would you rather he stuck by his old, invalidated, position instead?

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 48):
Just a suggestion...either take the time to click the spell check link or at least learn the most basic rules of spelling. If a word ends in "e", when adding the suffix "ing" the "e" is usually dropped.

Actually this time it's worse then that. "Jump" doesn't have and "e" in it, so changing it to "jumpeing" is a complete cluster.

Thank you for yet again pointing out a spelling deficiency of mine that I have long acknowledged on this forum. If you want, we can have a tedious discussion about some of the odd side effects of being raised in an American household and attending foreign schools that weren't very concerned with proper english grammar

+2 Anal Retention Points for you.
"I KICKED BURNING TERRORIST SO HARD IN BALLS THAT I TORE A TENDON" - Alex McIlveen

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: FAST Enterprise [Crawler], ThePointblank, WarRI1 and 5 guests