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Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:01 pm

It must be that time of the month--another 9/11 conspiracy thread, complete with shocking video, has been started on A-Net.

Questions:

  • Why is it that after almost 5 years, the conspiracy hasn't yet been exposed thoroughly in the world's great news publications?

  • Does anyone here really believe that the world's press--NY Times, Economist, etc.--are in on the conspiracy?

    They're either in on it or totally incompetent since according to the videos the devastation clearly was wrought by Americans.

  • Why does the 'truth' only exist in a bunch of videos to be found exclusively in the WWW backwaters?
 
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:44 am

Don't believe conspiracy theorists. Look at the evidence... something these people can't seem to do.
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:14 am

Quoting Lutenist (Thread starter):
Why is it that after almost 5 years, the conspiracy hasn't yet been exposed thoroughly in the world's great news publications?

Beyond that, if 9/11 was staged by right-wing fanatics, why is the commie, pinko, liberal press part of it?

Quoting Lutenist (Thread starter):
Does anyone here really believe that the world's press--NY Times, Economist, etc.--are in on the conspiracy?

Well, maybe. If they were promised some really dramatic video guaranteed to sell lots of beer and toothpast and toilet paper on their news programs.

Quoting Lutenist (Thread starter):
Why does the 'truth' only exist in a bunch of videos to be found exclusively in the WWW backwaters?

And why does the 'truth' have to be accompanied by bizarre "Twilight Zone" music?

Why is the 'truth' only told in three-second sound bites from unnamed 'witnesses?"

This aberration will not go away quickly. We have a generation of people who think Michael Moore is a 'film maker' and that he produces 'documentaries' comparable with Ken Burns' work.

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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:23 am

Quoting Lutenist (Thread starter):
It must be that time of the month--another 9/11 conspiracy thread, complete with shocking video, has been started on A-Net.

Questions:


* Why is it that after almost 5 years, the conspiracy hasn't yet been exposed thoroughly in the world's great news publications?

* Does anyone here really believe that the world's press--NY Times, Economist, etc.--are in on the conspiracy?

They're either in on it or totally incompetent since according to the videos the devastation clearly was wrought by Americans.

* Why does the 'truth' only exist in a bunch of videos to be found exclusively in the WWW backwaters?

Oh brother ......

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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:27 am

Quoting Jush (Reply 3):
Oh brother ......

I'm a bit slow, Jush. Could you elaborate for my sake?
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:28 am

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
People so gullible can be fleeced their whole life long and this time around I'd be the one to do it.

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Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:12 am

If you really want a trip down the rabbit hole, check out Sender, Berl & Sons Inc. This guy wraps several of the most famous conspiracies and secret societies into one grand paranoid delusion. In his enlightened ramblings, you'll find the truth about 9/11, the secret plan of the New World Order, the truth about the Jewish return to the Holy Land and how China in instrumental in all this.

Its an interesting read, but take your Dramamine, the twists in logic will make you dizzy.
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:24 am

My only question is why hasnn't anybody been fired over 9/11 despite the many mistakes and bu glings that happend that day ???


And why hasn' the govt simply released the footage of the 757 hitting the Pentagon to shut up conspiracy theorists.

Unless of course it wasn't a 757  confused   confused   confused 
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:45 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 7):
And why hasn' the govt simply released the footage of the 757 hitting the Pentagon to shut up conspiracy theorists.

Because it wouldn't shut the conspiracy theorists up. They would just claim that the tape was doctored or fake, and go on with their senseless ramblings.

Did live footage of a 767-200 slamming into the WTC shut up the conspiracy theorists on that topic? No, and footage certainly would not do the same for the Pentagon nutjobs.
 
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Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:57 am

Quoting KSYR (Reply 8):
Did live footage of a 767-200 slamming into the WTC shut up the conspiracy theorists on that topic? No, and footage certainly would not do the same for the Pentagon nutjobs.

Completely agreed, but I do wonder why its being held back. I don't think there is anything nefarious going on, just curious as to the rationale.
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:04 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
Completely agreed, but I do wonder why its being held back. I don't think there is anything nefarious going on, just curious as to the rationale.

Maybe they have a good reason, maybe they don't. Maybe it's out of respect for the families of the people who died in that building, maybe not. However, I believe that most rational people can agree that it was the plane that crashed into the Pentagon, video or no video, I don't see a big government cover up here. And just to stir up the pot a little bit, if it was in fact not a 757 that hit the Pentagon, where did the plane go? And where are the people that were on it? Unless of course it was those dastardly aliens beaming people and planes up to their spaceship.
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:35 am

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 9):
Completely agreed, but I do wonder why its being held back. I don't think there is anything nefarious going on, just curious as to the rationale.

I would hazard a guess that those tapes are listed as evidence in an ongoing criminal action and can't be released.
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Fri Apr 14, 2006 11:53 am

I'd tend to favour the non-conspiracy explanation although i'm not always 100% convinced. It obviously gets under everyone's skin, there's been two threads on it tonight, and every time someone questions it or entertains the idea they are immediately ridiculed for having curiosity. So it's your own fault in a way, if you didn't react like this these things would go away.

If you filter out all the pretentious and cringe-worthy commentary in these conspiracy videos. You'll reveal some interesting discussion points. I watched that "short-change" program tonight, the things that stood out for me were the collapse of WT7 - which seemed a bit random, and an interesting bit of footage which showed a shake just before the collapse of the 2nd tower to go (could've easily been photoshopped), suggesting some kind of catalystic explosive (around 50 mins on the video). There are probably many explanations for this, but i don't think it's ridiculous to want to discuss and question them.

I am of course, not stupid enough to take the thing anywhere near entirely seriously, especially since they got the wrong engine for the AA 757.
 
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:00 pm

Why do we have to have yet ANOTHER thread on this 9/11 crap . . .
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:01 pm

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 12):
There are probably many explanations for this, but i don't think it's ridiculous to want to discuss and question them.

There’s nothing wrong with curiosity, and when something doesn't make sense, asking about it. The problem with conspiracy theorists is that even when you give them very detailed answers from very credible sources, they either pretend no answer was given and claim no one can explain it, or better yet, say that the answer is an obvious attempt to cover up the truth, and so they must be right. So while a few innocent questioners probably do get raked over the coals for asking, the bulk of these postings are in response to idiots who have already demonstrated they aren't interested in rational answers.
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Fri Apr 14, 2006 1:04 pm

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 7):
My only question is why hasnn't anybody been fired over 9/11 despite the many mistakes and bu glings that happend that day ???

So what's this if that was your only question -

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 7):
And why hasn' the govt simply released the footage of the 757 hitting the Pentagon to shut up conspiracy theorists.

 confused 

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 7):
Unless of course it wasn't a 757

So what was it? Actually, don't bother replying, I know the answer, as does everyone else out there.

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Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:32 pm

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 14):
There's nothing wrong with curiosity, and when something doesn't make sense, asking about it

Yes, the problem with these theorists is that they address their curiosities with the outright intent to go against the government/get attention. Thus it's near impossible to reason. Others are just genuinely interested and It's actually quite annoying because their overwhelming contentiousness, means they get no serious attention and the handful of interesting points they discover are just written off as conspiracy theorist crap. Almost as if there's a conspiracy theory, against conspiracy theorists. Big grin
 
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:38 pm

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 16):
Almost as if there's a conspiracy theory, against conspiracy theorists. Big grin

Hmm a meta conspiracy theory. I bet it's the space lizards that start all the wacky conspiracies just so noone will belive any "real" ones haha
 
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:41 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
Why do we have to have yet ANOTHER thread on this 9/11 crap . . .

that's the same question i asked myself when i saw this.
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:27 am

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
Why do we have to have yet ANOTHER thread on this 9/11 crap . . .

I was attempting to get some of the people who believe in this 9/11 conspiracy stuff to explain what to me is the most glaringly ridiculous premise of their argument--namely, that the world's mainstream press is a part of the conspiracy as no major news service, who you'd think would have the resources to expose the conspiracy, has been able or willing to do so.

No takers so far.
 
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting Lutenist (Reply 19):
I was attempting to get some of the people who believe in this 9/11 conspiracy stuff to explain what to me is the most glaringly ridiculous premise of their argument--namely, that the world's mainstream press is a part of the conspiracy as no major news service, who you'd think would have the resources to expose the conspiracy, has been able or willing to do so.

No takers so far.

A number of us have tried a load of times, and it hasn't happened so far so don't hold your breath. They choose to be selective in their answers and it's like hitting your head against a brick wall.  banghead  Yeah, that!

Don't waste your time.

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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Sat Apr 15, 2006 2:38 am

Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 20):
A number of us have tried a load of times, and it hasn't happened so far so don't hold your breath. They choose to be selective in their answers and it's like hitting your head against a brick wall.

WTF, this kind of crap again! Yes, several of us attempted to discuss the physics behind 9/11, and some members decided that we were stupid and uninformed.

Some of us hit our head against the wall so hard, that it bled, and we still have the fresh scars to prove it. And a few days after these discussion, I again saw a show about 9/11. Those bldgs. didnt come down in a controlled explosion.
 
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:43 am

People who come up with this sort of shit, have, what I think are varying degrees of low level mental illness, (some of course might be even more afflicted).

I don't mean pyscho killers or other cliches, rather these otherwise pretty normally functioning people just cannot accept the random nature of life, as well as death.
They cannot accept there is NOT a huge master plan/conspiracy having some great, often sinister, purpose.
They actually find this worldview of huge plots in a way more comforting, more acceptable, than a world when small events can later have huge effects, when the unforseen can occur.

Because the opposite to this, the real chaotic world, is far more worrying to them, frightening even.
In this respect, these theories are a kind of modern religeous belief system, offering similar answers to big questions. But with earthly gods controlling things.

Even one I bet widely accepted on here, the JFK killing, despite that well made but utterly untruthful film 'JFK', being easily debunked by just basic research, it is widely accepted as fact.
Because people just cannot accept than such a powerful, charismatic figure like JFK, could be killed by a social outcast with a cheap rifle.

Franz Ferdinard, the Austro-Hungarian leader, was another very powerful figure, look what happened to him, his motorcade made a wrong turn, so the anarchist who had positioned himself poorly, got his chance anyway, with a pistol.
Leading to a chain of events that started WW1.

That's those who concoct the theories, what of the market for it, well most who think some or all of the main ones are true, are not mentally ill, but in many cases just ignorant, credulous, don't really have any perspective of history.
Often picking a favourite one which confirms predujices they may have about certain subjects, people, governments.
 
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:42 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 22):
They actually find this worldview of huge plots in a way more comforting, more acceptable, than a world when small events can later have huge effects, when the unforseen can occur.

Very interesting. I hadn't thought about it in that way. I believe there's some merit in what you say.

I have an acquaintance who subscribes to the 9/11 conspiracy theory without question. He's a paranoid, extremely self-centred control freak. His paranoia is probably borne of utter selfishness, one which would cause him to subconsciously place himself at the centre of the entire cosmos. Wacky conspiracy theories would, in a way, confirm his very deeply-held world view.

Admittedly, he is a sample of one.
 
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Sun Apr 16, 2006 8:27 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 22):
They actually find this worldview of huge plots in a way more comforting, more acceptable, than a world when small events can later have huge effects, when the unforseen can occur.

Oh, come on. You know as well as I do that 9/11 was caused when Air France had the strip of metal from the Continental DC-10 secretly moved from the runway at CDG and placed on the Pentagon lawn. The whole thing was concocted as a cover-up...  wink 

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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:06 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 7):
My only question is why hasnn't anybody been fired over 9/11 despite the many mistakes and bu glings that happend that day ???

Name the mistake. Everything the hijackers took on board that day was legal at that time. All they did was study the loopholes and take advantage of them. Nobody did anything they weren't supposed to do at that time.

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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:24 am

So far I haven't seen any 9/11 conspiracy theory that had any serious traction with me. However, I've also never really understood why anybody who may suspect a conspiracy or is merely willing to consider the possibility of one is somehow automatically considered an ignorant nutcase. Can anybody explain why an open mind is suddenly a liability if it questions the motives of our government?

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
Beyond that, if 9/11 was staged by right-wing fanatics, why is the commie, pinko, liberal press part of it?

Exactly how is the press 'commie, pinko, liberal'? Just because FOX NEWS is to the right of most of the world's press doesn't mean the whole world is at the mercy of some global liberal agenda.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
We have a generation of people who think Michael Moore is a 'film maker' and that he produces 'documentaries' comparable with Ken Burns' work.

Perhaps you can explain how Michael Moore is not a film maker or how his films aren't documentaries. What's even more surprising is that you're still using him as your example even as many of his views are now looking less and less obscure the more we learn about how the Bush administration operates.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
Hot damn! I wish I was thirty again. People so gullible can be fleeced their whole life long and this time around I'd be the one to do it.

Only a gullible person believes the rest of the world is willing to eat out his hand if he but offers it.
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:04 am

......and one bullet injured Connelly and killed Kennedy. And that was 43 years ago. I am afraid the 9/11 discussion will continue for years to come.
And to those that have nothing better to do than come out huffing and puffing everytime this topic is brought up...I would think it be your duty to dispel the myth with intelligent discourse, as opposed to "Oh not this again", or "Oh Brother", or "WTF"....if the subject displeases you so, you don't have to be here. I for one do not go clicking on subjects that irritate me....why would I want to waste my time? Why do you waste yours?

GDB touched on very intelligently why this occurs, it is no different than the causes that led to religion in the first place....out of fear of death. It is a heavy trip, for some people, incomprehensible....organized religion came in and provided some amount of relief for life's biggest unknown: dying.

With that said, we know probably only 10% of what happened on 9/11. For various reasons, security being paramount, the world knows only what it saw broadcast live on television. It is that remaining 90% that is making people crazy....somewhere, deep inside the government, the pieces fit together.....

I don't consider myself a C.T., but I must say, many things don't fit, or just don't make sense....like WTC7? How does a modern building collapse with fires on 2 of its 40+ storeys? After just a couple of hours? Anyone ever see the burned up shell of a skyscraper in Madrid? Just as tall, burned all night, but it didn't collapse.

Things like that leave me scratching my head. So does this:

Stock purchases and Mossad agents running willy-nilly through the streets of NY/NJ cast a suspicious gleen to the epic. The curious choice of syntax by Silverstein, the rush to dispose of the WTC debris....

I am suspicious, but I do not know why, or of whom....it doesn't help that I am currently reading the official Warren Commission report on the JFK assassination.....this official government document is as flimsy as a Tara Reid dress.

Conspiracy? No.
Cover-up? Most certainly yes.
I think the main motivation for such is the fact that America keeps unsavory bed-fellows from time to time. Saddam and Osama were once very good friends of the American government.
The question is, how did we go from being buddy-buddy, to mortal enemies?

If wanting to know more confirms me as being insane as suggested by a previous poster, it phases me not; most intelligent people are misunderstood by the masses.
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:15 pm

I find it quite amusing to read post after post from people saying ad-nausium how much thy hate to see thread after thread of 9-11 CTs....yet those are the vast majority of posters saying anything at all in threads they claim again and again to hate.

You all have proven sufficiently (to me at least) that you are the ones who are uncertain of the events of that day....so much so that when yet another person raises a question or two that you immediately, en-masse, come in to sound off against them.

If it is, as you say, easier to believe the official story....then why don't you just leave it at that? Why does it bother you so immensely that not everyone believes exactly as you do (or claim to do)?

I am sure all of you have thread topics that you avoid like the plague. Why is this one topic so hard to ignore? Your words and actions do not match.

Like I said......I don't care anymore. I simply find it amusing to read this stuff. Most of you cackle on like a little boys who have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
 
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:29 pm

Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 28):
I find it quite amusing to read post after post from people saying ad-nausium how much thy hate to see thread after thread of 9-11 CTs....yet those are the vast majority of posters saying anything at all in threads they claim again and again to hate.

You all have proven sufficiently (to me at least) that you are the ones who are uncertain of the events of that day....so much so that when yet another person raises a question or two that you immediately, en-masse, come in to sound off against them.

If it is, as you say, easier to believe the official story....then why don't you just leave it at that? Why does it bother you so immensely that not everyone believes exactly as you do (or claim to do)?

I am sure all of you have thread topics that you avoid like the plague. Why is this one topic so hard to ignore? Your words and actions do not match.

Like I said......I don't care anymore. I simply find it amusing to read this stuff. Most of you cackle on like a little boys who have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

Probably the reason that people still argue it was that most users of this forum have an interest in aviation and 9/11 was the biggest thing to happen in aviation in recent memory (or ever, maybe). This coupled with the high emotions surrounding that day lead people to be passionate about the subject and hence they repeatedly get involved in these discussions.

But yes, I see your point - some people could just ignore the threads and keep their blood pressure down!

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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:16 am

Stirling, but look at JFK again, all those 'facts' that made things look not right, which gained currency somehow over the years, turns out they are wrong.
These happened in the 60's mostly, much less TV, fewer and lower selling tabloids, no internet.
So imagine a much more complex event like Sept 11th, in todays media saturated world.

I'm no builder, or structual expert, but I've heard plenty of reasonable sounding explanations to all the buildings that fell, by those qualified to do so.
The Mossad agents in the US, looking at the Arab community in NY/New Jersey by any chance? Israel has spied on the US for technology-why not potential funding souces for Arab terrorism, look at the 'Irish Americans' and the IRA, jumping for joy, has been debunked.

Silverman just looks like a grubby, tight arsed type-witness the troubles over developing the site. An important thing for NY and the US, but not a jot of that concern from Silverman.

But you are right, at the risk of being flamed, Sept 11th was partial 'blowback'.
Unintentional of course, often from events years in the past, often seeminly unrelated.
But the history of funding hard core Islamists to fight the USSR in Afghanistan, the decades of 'looking the other way' as Saudi Arabia funded very hardcore breeds of Islamism, the continued presence of US forces in Saudi post 1991, the continuing and accelerating relative failure of Arab nations with (Western supported) despots, in wealth, education etc.

This and much more, all came together in the 1990's, with a strand of militant Islam bent on sticking a finger in the eye of a Superpower-hadn't they, in their own view, driven the USSR out of one Muslim nation already?

Successive US governments, have usually unwittingly, helped the situation above to evolve.
As you say-it not a big conspiracy-but, as usual, a succession of cock ups by fallible people.
With the potential to cause some very red faces.

For me, most conspiracy theorists are far from 'open minded', quite the opposite, usually they are obsessed.
Even more usually, those who start them have an axe to grind, using doubts about unusual events as a way of getting at the target of their dislike.

Always remember, the biggest proponents of a conspiracy theory were the Nazis.
Using age old anti semitism still latent, the humilation of WW1 and the aftermath, the terrible economic conditions in the late 20's/early 30's, to advance a worldview based on some pretty nonsensical fears and outright lies for their 'Jewish Conspiracy'.
 
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:29 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 30):
As you say-it not a big conspiracy-but, as usual, a succession of cock ups by fallible people.
With the potential to cause some very red faces.

I can only imagine the red faces that would come after admitting that the USAF shot down UA93...especially after all these years.
But the only way to prove or disprove, would be to release the flight data recorder....which as of yet, is still a closely guarded secret....Why?

I have had the displeasure of seeing what an aircraft looks like after a controlled flight into the ground. Worst thing I've ever seen in my life....A PSA Bae146 in California that impacted the ground at well over Mach 1...parts of the wings were found a distance away owing to that they sheared off in the nosedive. But for the most part, the majority of Debris was found within a 300m-500m radius from the epicenter, BUT NOT 9,000m (6miles) as was the case in the PA crash.
So far, no one has been able to convince me why the UA93 crash should be any different....but I am willing to listen.

Quote:

Finding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine.

Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains. Some residents said they collected bags-full of items to be turned over to investigators. Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene.

After searching for a while, I found the above quote in a link on a "whack-job" Conspiracy theory website, taken from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette on September 13, two days after.

http://post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.asp
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:02 am

I don't think there is any reason to think UA93 was shot down, it would have been, if at the time of the crash the nearest USAF fighter was not 60 miles away.
No missile now in the inventory has that range, anyway they'd visual ID it first just to make sure.
Since the US government (and most others too) has made quite clear that an airliner thought to be hijacked for an attack on the ground WILL be shot down, what is there to cover up?
People on the day would have understood why-and they still would now.

Scrambled USAF F-15's, who had got to NY as fast as they could after the first aircraft hit the WTC, arrived just after the second one hit the other tower.
Remember, with no Cold War, just 14 USAF fighters were on alert on the whole East Coast that day.
When it started to unfold, some aircraft already in the air were tasked to try and prevent further attacks, but some of these aircraft were unarmed, even the 20mm cannon magazine was empty.

It was that much of a surprise, no one had anticipated such a thing, they should have-after the attempt in 1994 to crash an A310 on the Effiel Tower.

But then the US also did not take account of the Fleet Air Arm attacking the Italian fleet at in their base at Taranto in 1940, essentially crippling their battleships.
But a Japanese Naval Attache there certainly did.
So Pearl Harbour was another example of being unprepared.

(You can bet Al-Queda also learnt from the 1994 incident-that is, hijack them in the airspace of the target nation, not too far from the targets, do not land to take on more fuel and get stormed- by in this case, French Special Forces).
 
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RE: Questions Regarding 9/11 Conspiracies

Tue Apr 18, 2006 2:18 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 32):
It was that much of a surprise, no one had anticipated such a thing, they should have-after the attempt in 1994 to crash an A310 on the Effiel Tower.

There were several unsuccessful attempts to crash airliners into buildings, this one was the one that was closest to its target before. The problem was also that the hijackers were not trained to fly an airplane.

Pearl Harbor and 9/11 share a rather common human trait, not being able to see the forest for the tree, or as they say in war, we fight the last war (Maginot Line anyone??). Since there had never been an attack like 9/11, very few people would have made preparations in case it occurred. Hijackings before had been relatively harmless to the passangers and no one fought the hijackers. IIRC, since 9/11, several hijackers (of the very few that have attempted it) have died by the hands of the passangers.

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